Genesis One

[Acts2:38]

I have no clue why I would continue this since you havent even provided proof of your OP I kept asking you for, but here it goes anyway about a topic that doesn't even belong here that you started on your own thread.

Acts 2:38 is the Gospel (good news)

The gospel is not called "the good news". You are confused on WHAT the gospel actually is.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 - The gospel is the "death, burial, and resurrection" of Christ Jesus.

Bam, in a nutshell, that's it.

How do you OBEY the gospel?

Romans 6:1-5

Bam, in a nutshell, we are to die to our sin casting off the "old man" being buried with Him (ie baptized in water), and rising a new creature in Christ Jesus (aka Galatians 3:27) -those where were baptized - putting on Christ. Only those IN Christ Jesus, receive the spiritual blessings (Ephesians 1:3- notice hint hint- spiritual blessings are "IN Christ") the only way to be IN Christ is to be baptized Gal 3:27; Romans 6:1-5.

Do you see the difference in the two Gospels? The Old to the Jews and the New to Jews and Gentiles? Acts 2:38 is the Jewish Gospel to repent and baptized in water but Jews rejected this good news. The New Testament Gospel of Jesus Christ was accepted by Gentiles and it proclaims that one must have the Gift of Faith, which only God can give, the saving faith, to believe that a man rose from the dead.

Nope. Romans 1:16 says it was to the Jew first and then to the Gentiles.

This verse is kinda fitting since Acts 2 is in Jerusalem (to the Jew first) and Acts 10 (and then to the Gentile) is the first Gentiles with Cornelius, his household, and friends present with Peter.

If you are going to go out and throw around theories and speculations around, at least know and study scripture more than I can say you do now.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.

Look, this is not intended to hurt you in any way, but you just cannot grasp reading comprehension can you? You clearly have not been taught by any worthy English teachers or you would understand the context and gravity of this verse you posted.

Questions:
What happens when you do not diligently seek Him?

Did you know that "diligently" is used as a verb here in the Koine Greek?

ἐκζητέω ekzētéō, ek-zay-teh'-o; from G1537 and G2212; to search out, i.e. (figuratively)investigate, crave, demand, (by Hebraism) worship:—en- (re-)quire, seek after (carefully, diligently).

Therefore, action is required. In Hebrews 11:6, diligently is also used as a present tense, not a past tense. This means you need to be doing this continually.

The O.T. depended on works (repent be baptized etc.)
The N.T. depends on Jesus Christ and His finished work of Salvation

Wrong.

The OT required certain rituals and animal sacrifices to the Levitical priesthood in certain Jewish cities every specific time period. Anyone who read the first five OT books knows this.

The OT never ever spoke to Jews to require them to be baptized in water. It only made prophetic, future, claims of what will happen and who will come (Jesus).

The NT is the only place that actually had people get baptized. Anyone who has actually studied the bible, even those who don't believe in the bible, knows this. You need to read the bible for yourself to find out. Stop cherry picking around in scripture.

Also, not only were Jews baptized, Gentiles were too with Jews. Gentiles were baptized so frequently in the NT, I marvel as to how you missed this.

1. Jesus' Baptism - Matthew 3:13-17 (wasn't Jesus a Jew?)
2. Day of Pentecost - Acts 2:22 and 36-47 (Not everyone here was a Jew as Peter spoke in MANY languages/tongues See Acts 2:5, people out of every nation hence Gentiles too)
3. Samaria - Acts 8:4-13 (Gentiles are baptized)
4. Ethiopian Eunuch - Acts 8:26-39 (Gentile is baptized)
5. Paul(Saul) - Acts 9:1-20 and 22:6-16 (Jew baptized)
6. Cornelius - Acts 101-48 and 11:1-18 (Gentiles baptized)
7. Lydia - Acts 16:13-15 (Gentile)
8. Many Corinthians - Acts 18:8 (Gentiles)
9. Philippian Jailer - Acts 16:27-34 (Gentiles)

Even the people in Rome (Gentiles), were baptized, hence the book of Romans and the context it speaks in.

There are so many baptism's of Jews and Gentiles I am puzzled as to how you miss this. I am bewildered, amazed, perplexed, stunned, flabbergasted.

I just really do not see how can say Gentiles are not baptized and Jews are. It also amazes me that you said OT Jews were baptized because nowhere in the OT do I see Jews getting baptized to be saved as they are in the NT.

Of course, I also noticed you didn't post any evidence again for these claims either.

Still waiting for evidence...........................................................

 

[Aman777]

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 - The gospel is the "death, burial, and resurrection" of Christ Jesus.

Bam, in a nutshell, that's it.

How do you OBEY the gospel?

By asking God for the Faith to believe a man was raised from the dead. Without this Gift of Faith, Eph 2:8 it is impossible to please Him. Heb 11:6

Eph 2:8 For by grace (unmerited reward) are ye saved through faith; Heb 11:6 and that (faith) not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:10 For we are His (God's) workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Water plus works leaves a wet sinner facing Judgment. Your "Gospel" leaves out God's creating.

 

[Acts2:38]

By asking God for the Faith to believe a man was raised from the dead. Without this Gift of Faith, Eph 2:8 it is impossible to please Him. Heb 11:6

Eph 2:8 For by grace (unmerited reward) are ye saved through faith; Heb 11:6 and that (faith) not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:10 For we are His (God's) workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Do you agree with John 14:15 and John 15:14?

What is the opposite of "friend"?

What is the definition of "command"?

Do you obey a "command" by just saying you will do it and don't do it?
Or do you obey a "command" by actually DOING it?

I noticed you used Ephesians 2:10, which is very uncommon for people of your belief. Did you even understand it? Read it again....

"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

Did you know the Greek word here in Eph. 2:10 for "walk" is peripateō which is a verb?

What is a verb?

The definition for the Greek word here in Eph 2:10 is....

"to tread all around, i.e. walk at large (especially as proof of ability); figuratively, to live, deport oneself, follow (as a companion or votary):—go, be occupied with, walk (about)."

All which requires action on your part.

All Ephesians 2:8-10 is saying, is that you cannot work your way to heaven, but you must still obey the commands of the gospel.

Here is a perfect example of people who just "worked" their way to heaven, and were told to "go back to their first love"....

Revelation 2:1-7

Hey!!! Did you notice something in Revelation 2:1-7?!?!?!

THEY WERE WORKING!

2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.


Also, did you know, Believe is a work too? Yup, that's right, believing is a work according to Jesus....

John 6:28-29

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Believing is a verb here in Mark 16:16. That means you have to do something, hence James 1:22; James 2:14-26.

Water plus works leaves a wet sinner facing Judgment. Your "Gospel" leaves out God's creating.

No, it makes you an obedient Christian who has put on Christ (Gal 3:27) and followed His commands (John 15:14).

To not do this puts you in this category here ---> 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

Do you not see all these conversions?!?!?!

1. Jesus' Baptism - Matthew 3:13-17
2. Day of Pentecost - Acts 2:22 and 36-47
3. Samaria - Acts 8:4-13
4. Ethiopian Eunuch - Acts 8:26-39
5. Paul(Saul) - Acts 9:1-20 and 22:6-16
6. Cornelius - Acts 101-48 and 11:1-18
7. Lydia - Acts 16:13-15
8. Many Corinthians - Acts 18:8
9. Philippian Jailer - Acts 16:27-34

These people were all saved once baptized in water which is what 1 Peter 3:21 states:

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ

It's as plain as day and unarguable.

 

[Aman777]

It's as plain as day and unarguable.

Only to the people who follow Alexander Campbell, who started a religion in 1820 and which split around 1900 and thus the Disciples of Christ began. FYI, A cult is a man made religion which dismisses other denominations and claims to be the only way to Heaven. It's another Gospel and the Holy Spirit speaking through Paul says:

Gal 1:6 ¶ I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

[Aman777]

God's Scriptural Timeline

23 Billion years ago The first Day Gen. 1:3

God had just finished creating air, dust and water and they were contaminated with darkness or death. Everything God had created was subject to death because it was made apart from God and only God is "good". Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou Me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Gen 1:3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Remember that darkness is death so the light is opposite of death and it's Jesus coming into the physical world from within the invisible Spirit of God. Col 2:9 For in Him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Jesus lived with God in the physical world for an entire Day/Age before they made Adam's firmament on the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:8 He speaks of that time just before His crucifixion:

Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.

Glory is brightness and there was but One Day before Adam's world/firmament was made and that is the First Day. Each of God's Days is some 4.5 Billion years in man's time. Jesus IS that Light, the only God ever formed, or that ever will be formed physically. Isa 43:11

I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no saviour.

It's Jesus or God Incarnate in the beginning.

Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good:

Remember that Jesus told us only God is good. Jesus IS God physically. He is the only God anyone will ever see since God is a Spirit, an invisible Spirit. Jhn 4:24

and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

God divided life from death and called Jesus "Day" as if He were speaking of a person, by capitalizing Day and Night. Is Jesus referred to as "Day" in Gen 1:3? and confirmed in the New Testament? Of course.

1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Christians are of Jesus the Light, the children of the present 6th day, the day of Salvation and we are NOT of the devil or the darkness. Amen?

 

[Acts2:38]

Only to the people who follow Alexander Campbell, who started a religion in 1820 and which split around 1900 and thus the Disciples of Christ began. FYI, A cult is a man made religion which dismisses other denominations and claims to be the only way to Heaven. It's another Gospel and the Holy Spirit speaking through Paul says:

Gal 1:6 ¶ I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Look, I have told you many times already.

Are you calling me a liar?

I do not follow Campbell.

I follow what the first century Christians were taught. I follow what the bible lays out. I follow the gospel.

The bible is written out at a 6-12th grade reading level pending on the version you get ie KJV, ASV, ESV, NKJV, etc.

6th graders would be able to understand that there are no indications of "ages" in Genesis 1. It is called reading comprehension. Anyone who can read and understand grammar, context, and definition of words can easily decipher what Gen 1 is saying. It's really not a hard book to understand, it's made hard by those who wish to twist it to their desires.

 

[Acts2:38]

God had just finished creating air, dust and water and they were contaminated with darkness or death. Everything God had created was subject to death because it was made apart from God and only God is "good". Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou Me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Gen 1:3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Remember that darkness is death so the light is opposite of death and it's Jesus coming into the physical world from within the invisible Spirit of God. Col 2:9 For in Him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Jesus lived with God in the physical world for an entire Day/Age before they made Adam's firmament on the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:8 He speaks of that time just before His crucifixion:

Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.

Glory is brightness and there was but One Day before Adam's world/firmament was made and that is the First Day. Each of God's Days is some 4.5 Billion years in man's time. Jesus IS that Light, the only God ever formed, or that ever will be formed physically. Isa 43:11

I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no saviour.

It's Jesus or God Incarnate in the beginning.

Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good:

Remember that Jesus told us only God is good. Jesus IS God physically. He is the only God anyone will ever see since God is a Spirit, an invisible Spirit. Jhn 4:24

and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

God divided life from death and called Jesus "Day" as if He were speaking of a person, by capitalizing Day and Night. Is Jesus referred to as "Day" in Gen 1:3? and confirmed in the New Testament? Of course.

1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Christians are of Jesus the Light, the children of the present 6th day, the day of Salvation and we are NOT of the devil or the darkness. Amen?

None of what you put here supports the OP you made, none of it.

In fact, this entire post you made that I quoted here is an incoherent, jumbled up mess that each explanation you made does not relate to the next.

I don't even understand how you even understand yourself. None of what you put here supports the conclusions of the OP you made.

I am still waiting for evidence........................................................

 

[Aman777]

6th graders would be able to understand that there are no indications of "ages" in Genesis 1. It is called reading comprehension. Anyone who can read and understand grammar, context, and definition of words can easily decipher what Gen 1 is saying. It's really not a hard book to understand, it's made hard by those who wish to twist it to their desires.

Then please explain why you teach the Gospel of the Jews at the time of Jesus, by John. IF it had worked, Jesus would not have had to die. Either answer my questions or please stop posting your's since I am about to ignore your unscriptural views.

 

[Aman777]

I do not follow Campbell.

This one?

Alexander Campbell
This 18th century Irishman became one of the founders of the Disciples of Christ and the Church of Christ.

Alexander Campbell

 

[Acts2:38]

Then please explain why you teach the Gospel of the Jews at the time of Jesus, by John. IF it had worked, Jesus would not have had to die. Either answer my questions or please stop posting your's since I am about to ignore your unscriptural views.

No, no, no, no. You don't get to say this.

I have provided scripture after scripture and answer after answer for you.

You could not even provide one lick of evidence AT ALL. Merely just conclusions.

You don't get to say this. I am the one that has been waiting for you to give me evidence.

This one?

Alexander Campbell
This 18th century Irishman became one of the founders of the Disciples of Christ and the Church of Christ.

Alexander Campbell

You and whoever you got that information are VERY wrong. Churches of Christ have been around before Alexander Campbell was even a thought.

Let me give you one sample....

Bow Lane Church of Christ

James Bainham helped minister at the Bow lane church of Christ in 1500's

Long before Alexander. Sorry, your facts are wrong.

As far as the Disciples of Christ churches, they are breakaways from Christs church and were not around until the 1900's

Romans 16:16 (hmmm, when was the book of Romans written I wonder? Oh yea, about 58 ad)

 

[Aman777]

As far as the Disciples of Christ churches, they are breakaways from Christs church and were not around until the 1900's

Amen. They were so stupid they thought God might like a little music in praise of Him. Do you think the Disciples are also lost? since they belong to a man made cult? according to your description? The Apostle Paul tells us that he received the Gospel from Jesus Himself.

Gal 1:11 ¶ But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Campbell was one of the founders of the church of Christ in the 1820s and the church split because Disciples wanted to praise God with music. Now you want us to believe that the church of Christ is the ONLY Church. Amen?

 

[Acts2:38]

Amen. They were so stupid they thought God might like a little music in praise of Him. Do you think the Disciples are also lost? since they belong to a man made cult? according to your description?

Due to the belief's they (Disciples of Christ) wish to hold, yes, they are officially, according to scripture, not of the church Christ started (2 Timothy 4:3-4 comes to mind).

1 Corinthians 1:10
1 Corinthians 12:12-13
Romans 12:4-5
John 17:20-21
Ephesians 4:4-6

There is only one church and that is the one Christ began through Peter's confession in Acts 2 (first to the Jews) and Acts 10 (then to the Gentiles).

All other churches have a man made founder. Authorized uses for a church name are church of Christ or church of God, etc. But I see no authorized use like Southern Baptist, Calvary Baptist, etc. Nowhere in scripture do you see such either. They are denominations. The very word "denomination", root definition is "separate and apart from the original".

Campbell was one of the founders of the church of Christ in the 1820s

Incorrect. Because the church of Christ started before Alexander was even a thought, he could be no more a founder than the current CEO of McDonald's could claim he is a founder. Perhaps you forgot the definition of the word "founder"?

Founder - "a person who establishes an institution or settlement."

If the church of Christ was established before Alexander was even born, Alexander can in NO WAY be a founder. And as you saw from my evidence, Alexander is NOT a founder of the church of Christ, and the information you got this idea from is flawed, not knowing correct history themselves.

The founder of the church of Christ is Christ Himself, who through Peter, began His church.

Matthew 16:18-19
Acts 2:38; Acts 2:41-42; Acts 2:46-47 (this is the beginning of the church)

the church split because Disciples wanted to praise God with music

One of many reasons, yes.

Now you want us to believe that the church of Christ is the ONLY Church. Amen?

Yes, nowhere in scripture can you find any authority to call a church, the baptist church or Lutheran Church or any such name other than Christs church, the church of Christ. However, we do see evidence and authority to call ourselves the church of Christ, Romans 16:16, or maybe even the church of God. No authority for any other name.

The baptist churches founder comes 1,500+ years after Christs established church. The Catholic church comes hundreds of years after. Disciples of Christ breaks off of Christs church in 1920's. If you were to ask a first century Christian about the baptist church, they would have no clue what/who you were talking about.

The baptist churches, for the most part, do not believe that baptism is necessary. This goes against what scripture teaches and therefore against what 1 Corinthians 1:10 was informing us, to be of one mind and not divided.

These are some examples that state baptism being necessary:

Q:How do you make a disciple?
Matthew 28:19-20

A: by baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things.

Q: How is one saved?
Mark 16:16

A: Believing AND being baptized

Q:How do you obey the gospel?
1 Corinthians 15:1-4

A: Romans 6:3-5

Q: How do you obtain remission for your sins?
Acts 2:38

A: by being baptized

Q: How do you put on Christ?
Galatians 3:27

A: by being baptized

Q: How do you obtain spiritual blessings?
Ephesians 1:3

A: by being IN Christ, which is to be baptized into Christ.
Romans 6:3-5
Galatians 3:27

Q: Does baptism save us?
1 Peter 3:21

A: Yes

The evidence is overwhelming. Baptism is necessary. That is just one example of many divided things.

Ephesians 4:3-6

3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 

[Aman777]

Due to the belief's they (Disciples of Christ) wish to hold, yes, they are officially, according to scripture, not of the church Christ started (2 Timothy 4:3-4 comes to mind).

1 Corinthians 1:10
1 Corinthians 12:12-13
Romans 12:4-5
John 17:20-21
Ephesians 4:4-6

There is only one church and that is the one Christ began through Peter's confession in Acts 2 (first to the Jews) and Acts 10 (then to the Gentiles).

All other churches have a man made founder. Authorized uses for a church name are church of Christ or church of God, etc. But I see no authorized use like Southern Baptist, Calvary Baptist, etc. Nowhere in scripture do you see such either. They are denominations. The very word "denomination", root definition is "separate and apart from the original".



Incorrect. Because the church of Christ started before Alexander was even a thought, he could be no more a founder than the current CEO of McDonald's could claim he is a founder. Perhaps you forgot the definition of the word "founder"?

Founder - "a person who establishes an institution or settlement."

If the church of Christ was established before Alexander was even born, Alexander can in NO WAY be a founder. And as you saw from my evidence, Alexander is NOT a founder of the church of Christ, and the information you got this idea from is flawed, not knowing correct history themselves.

The founder of the church of Christ is Christ Himself, who through Peter, began His church.

Matthew 16:18-19
Acts 2:38; Acts 2:41-42; Acts 2:46-47 (this is the beginning of the church)



One of many reasons, yes.



Yes, nowhere in scripture can you find any authority to call a church, the baptist church or Lutheran Church or any such name other than Christs church, the church of Christ. However, we do see evidence and authority to call ourselves the church of Christ, Romans 16:16, or maybe even the church of God. No authority for any other name.

The baptist churches founder comes 1,500+ years after Christs established church. The Catholic church comes hundreds of years after. Disciples of Christ breaks off of Christs church in 1920's. If you were to ask a first century Christian about the baptist church, they would have no clue what/who you were talking about.

The baptist churches, for the most part, do not believe that baptism is necessary. This goes against what scripture teaches and therefore against what 1 Corinthians 1:10 was informing us, to be of one mind and not divided.

These are some examples that state baptism being necessary:

Q:How do you make a disciple?
Matthew 28:19-20

A: by baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things.

Q: How is one saved?
Mark 16:16

A: Believing AND being baptized

Q:How do you obey the gospel?
1 Corinthians 15:1-4

A: Romans 6:3-5

Q: How do you obtain remission for your sins?
Acts 2:38

A: by being baptized

Q: How do you put on Christ?
Galatians 3:27

A: by being baptized

Q: How do you obtain spiritual blessings?
Ephesians 1:3

A: by being IN Christ, which is to be baptized into Christ.
Romans 6:3-5
Galatians 3:27

Q: Does baptism save us?
1 Peter 3:21

A: Yes

The evidence is overwhelming. Baptism is necessary. That is just one example of many divided things.

Ephesians 4:3-6

3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

All that baptism in water plus works is interesting since it is the gospel given to Jews who refused it. Adam and Eve were "created in God's image" or born again Spiritually in Christ and neither was baptized. Gen 1:27 Gen 5:1-2 and John 14:16 Baptism in the New Testament is of the Holy Spirit and always has been unless you can tell us HOW Abel, Noah, and all of the O.T. prophets were saved. Amen?

 

[Acts2:38]

All that baptism in water plus works

I am wondering if you have a different idea of the "working" part.

I am not saying manual labor will save you. I am saying that the duties of a Christian that Christ set forth to us to obey, means we must do something in order so that we do as the word implies obedience/doing something. The word is a verb, an action word, you have to do something.

Here are some duties (physical things you must do as a Christian to keep your salvation):

Attend your congregations meet times (action/work) - Hebrews 10:25-27

Defend the gospel (action/work) - Galatians 1 implies to uphold the gospel and not turn from it.

Sharing the gospel to others not in Christs church (action/work) - We are ambassadors 2 Corinthians 5:20 and we are to go out and teach the word to all Matthew 28:19-20 and Mark 16:15-16

Caring for your members is another duty Christians must do - 1 Timothy 5:16

Other duties are mentioned in 1 Timothy 5 too. These are all physical actions and tasks one must do.

1 Corinthians 15:58
Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

That is the work I am talking about.

To NOT DO these things is what James 2:14-26 is talking about:

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Baptism in the New Testament is of the Holy Spirit and always has been unless you can tell us HOW Abel, Noah, and all of the O.T. prophets were saved.

So Paul was baptized with the Holy Spirit and not water? Prove this to me in scripture.

Lydia was baptized with the Holy Spirit and not water? Prove this to me.

The Philippian Jailer was baptized with the Holy Spirit and not water? Prove this.

The Jews and many other people in Acts 2 were baptized by the Holy Spirit and not water? prove this to me in scripture.

The Ethiopian eunuch was baptized by the Holy Spirit and not water? Show me where in scripture.

The Corinthians were baptized by the Holy Spirit and not water? Prove this to me.

Was Jesus baptized in water? Show me that He was not.

What happened when Jesus was baptized? Tell me what happened immediately after.

There are too many examples of people getting baptized in water. It is a command one must follow (Mark 16:16) it is so you can put on Christ (Galatians 3:27) it is so you can have remission of sins and receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

I don't follow why you are having a hard time with these scriptural verses.

You don't get the Holy Spirit UNTIL you are baptized. You don't get remission for your sins UNTIL you get baptized.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Aman777]

You don't get the Holy Spirit UNTIL you are baptized. You don't get remission for your sins UNTIL you get baptized.

Is the thief on the cross next to Jesus lost? He didn't have time for water baptism in the church of Christ baptismal. Did he? Did Jesus lie when He told the dying man that today he would be with Jesus in Paradise? Luk 23:43 Baptism is a work and being good is a work and we are not saved of our good works. Can you tell me a single person on Earth who does good works?

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

 

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Is the thief on the cross next to Jesus lost? He didn't have time for water baptism in the church of Christ baptismal. Did he? Did Jesus lie when He told the dying man that today he would be with Jesus in Paradise? Luk 23:43

Christ didn't die on the cross yet, so it would be safe to saw the Old Testament laws were still in effect. Therefore, the thief didn't need to be baptized and Christ was able to pardon him.

Once Christ died, was buried, and rose again, thus began the "new covenant" and He "blotted out the old".

Colossians 2:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross

Baptism is a work and being good is a work and we are not saved of our good works.

This is what I don't understand from you. You are quite specifically told right here:

James 2:
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Forgive me but I marvel that people can read this and not understand. It's very straightforward.

Look at even the parables of the "talents". Each person was given a different amount and two of them produced more, but one did not produce anything. What did the Master say to the one who didn't do anything?

Matthew 25:
14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.

17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Can you tell me a single person on Earth who does good works?

Yes, I can. Christians. Those in Christs body. They do what is called... Obedience to the gospel commands. You wont find them in denominations since Christ is not the founder of those "churches". There is only one body as I proved to you already.

 

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This is what I don't understand from you. You are quite specifically told right here:

James 2:

Again, you preach another Gospel, the one to the Jews.

Jas 1:1 ¶ James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

See what I mean? Don't you know that the church of Christ is different from all other denominations? Can you see WHY they reject your views? You seem to ignore the fact that Jesus fulfilled that requirement. Mat 3:15

Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

Have you been born again Spiritually?

 

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Again, you preach another Gospel, the one to the Jews.

Jas 1:1 ¶ James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

No, wrong idea here friend.

You forgot to look at the next verse:
"2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations"

and
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

People from different nations, be it Jews, Germans, French, Syrian, so on and so forth can be called one word.... Christian.

Galatians 3:
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Look at the book of Hebrews. It is directed to a certain group of Christians who seemed to be faltering in the gospel commands and had to be reminded. They were STILL CHRISTIANS, even though the writer of Hebrews directed it to this group of people. The book of Hebrews can still apply today to Christians and is for our learning today.

James may have directed his letter to a "certain group" of people, but they were still Christians.

You are seemingly desperate to try to prove the bible wrong. Why?

Don't you know that the church of Christ is different from all other denominations?

Didn't I say this already? Oh I know we are not like the "mainstream".

At least you admit (indirectly) to being a denomination. Remember the definition of "denomination"?

"Separate and apart from the original".

You have unwittingly admitted to being in a group of people and beliefs "separate and apart from the original".

2 Timothy 4:3-4
1 Timothy 4:1

Baptist teachings were not even around until the "reformation" movements in the 1500's-1600's. And to what did they reform from? Catholic teachings.

What is reform? It means - "make changes in (something, typically a social, political, or economic institution or practice) in order to improve it."

So baptist teachings, reforming from catholic teachings, merely just tries to "make changes" or "improve" on catholic teachings.

What is the "restoration" movement? It means - "the action of returning something to a former owner, place, or condition."

Because of the incorrect beliefs of the "reformation movement" (1500s-1600s) people like Alexander Campbell tried to get people like baptists back on track in the "restoration movement"(1800s). Alexander was in no way a founder though.

Can you see WHY they reject your views?

Oh trust me, I see it. That is why I am here right now typing to you. They (denominations and all those who do not obey the gospel) reject blatant commands in scripture whereas people in Christs church, all those who would call themselves Christians, will not reject those blatant commands.

You seem to ignore the fact that Jesus fulfilled that requirement. Mat 3:15

No. You are wrong again. This is why study is so important.

Christ had to be obedient
Philippians 2
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name

Hebrews 5
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him

You are constantly failing to see that one needs to do something. Do I need to give you another parable Jesus said other than the "talents" one? How are you missing all of these parables and statements in scripture?

There isn't any "gospel of the Jews". Where are you even getting this idea? The ONE and ONLY gospel explanation is found here 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. It is for all people "there is neither jew nor greek....for we are all one in Christ" (see Gal 3:28-29)

Have you been born again Spiritually?

Yes, I followed what the gospel has COMMANDED me to do.

1. Hear the word - Romans 10:17, Matthew 7:24-27
2. Believe the word is true and believe in Jesus - Hebrews 11:6, Mark 16-15-16 (not faith only), James 2:24, John 12:42.
3. Repent of your sins and transgressions - Act 2:38, Acts 17:30-31, Luke 13:3.
4. Confess Jesus is the Son of God - Matthew 10:32-33, Acts 8:36-37.
5. Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and to place you in Christ so Jesus can add you to His church and translate you into the Kingdom of God: Acts 2:38, Acts 2:47, Colossians 1:12-14.
   • Purpose: Acts 2:38, Mark 16:15-16, Acts 22:16, 1 Peter 3:20-21, Acts 10:48, John 3:5; Luke 7:30. Read 2 Corinthians 5:17 with Galatians 3:27.
   • Action: Romans 6:3-5, Acts 8:36-38, Mark 1:9-10, John 3:23.
   • Infants need not to be baptized: Matthew 18:3, mark 10:13-15, Ezekiel 18:20, Romans 14:12.
6. Remain faithful until death - Revelation 2:10

Have you obeyed these commands?

 

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9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him

Obey Him? How can we obey Him? What are His commandments?

 

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Remain faithful until death - Revelation 2:10

What if I give a one fingered salute to someone blowing his horn and don't have time to ask for forgiveness before another car runs me over? Does that mean I go to Hell? Jesus commands us to be perfect even as God is perfect. Mat 5:48 Are you perfect?