General questions..

[tall73]

I think Old Student did this very well in post #9



In the fundamental beliefs, #2 at first seems to be at odds with #24 but if you read #2 with the understanding of #24 you will see thay are in harmony. The key word is 'means', as in a means to an end. The means for our atonement begins with Jesus' death on the cross and His resurrection and ends with the atoning ministry in the Most Holy, which has been active since 1844.

You misunderstand. I am not arguing against it here. I am asking someone to explain to him 1844, and the rest, since he inquired about atonement.

He should get the full answer.

 

[Isolation]

Is there a place where I can read the 24 beliefs?
I disagree with 9 and 24 but I want to see them all

 

[stork321]

Is there a place where I can read the 24 beliefs?
I disagree with 9 and 24 but I want to see them all

Here =>> Fundamental Beliefs

btw it's 28..

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Is there a place where I can read the 24 beliefs?
I disagree with 9 and 24 but I want to see them all

May I ask what is it about #9 that you disagree? That is a fundamental belief of most protestant denominations as far as I know...

 

[Isolation]

May I ask what is it about #9 that you disagree? That is a fundamental belief of most protestant denominations as far as I know...

I believe my sin(and the worlds) was taken at the jordan, then paid off through his blood.
So I reject the notion that our sin was taken at the cross or anything.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I believe my sin(and the worlds) was taken at the jordan, then paid off through his blood.
So I reject the notion that our sin was taken at the cross or anything.

I've never heard this doctrine before... what is your denomination? Why do you think Jesus died on the cross if not to pay the death penalty for sin?

Just genuinely curious....

 

[Isolation]

I've never heard this doctrine before... what is your denomination? Why do you think Jesus died on the cross if not to pay the death penalty for sin?

Just genuinely curious....

it was to pay the penalty of sin, but i believe he took all my sin at the jordan. i do not belong to any denomination, but because i can rely on gods righteousness i find that knowing he genuinely took my sin as well causes my heart to swim, where as only the blood faith caused my heart pain.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

it was to pay the penalty of sin, but i believe he took all my sin at the jordan. i do not belong to any denomination, but because i can rely on gods righteousness i find that knowing he genuinely took my sin as well causes my heart to swim, where as only the blood faith caused my heart pain.

Thanx... I've never heard that before. Do you understand this from John 1:29 when John said 'Behold, the Lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world'?

Do you believe the baptism of Jesus had an atoning element to it?

 

[Isolation]

Thanx... I've never heard that before. Do you understand this from John 1:29 when John said 'Behold, the Lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world'?

Do you believe the baptism of Jesus had an atoning element to it?

of course
the baptism was the baptism for the remission of sin
john the baptist was required since he was a descendant of aaron
he could pass the sin to the lord and the lord then could pay their wages off.
this is why it says in mark 9:12 he restored all things and that the lord had to suffer. Also why such verses as 1 john 5:6 says he came by both water and blood

the lord did not partially fulfill the law, he had to do it according to the sacrifices and revelations of the old testaments

 

[Isolation]

going to nap now, bye

 

[David Conklin]

>For example, it was my belief that only one of God's holy convocations listed in Leviticus 23 is currently relevant; I did not claim to observe any of the other convocations.

Some SDA's and some non-SDA's think that we should observe the convocations of Lev. 23.

 

[David Conklin]

>but i believe he took all my sin at the jordan.

Your sins were nailed to the Cross (Col. 2:14), not drowned in the River Jordan.

 

[Isolation]

>but i believe he took all my sin at the jordan.

Your sins were nailed to the Cross (Col. 2:14), not drowned in the River Jordan.

Of course they were nailed to the cross.
Did I say anything to contradict this?
No, I said the Lord took my sin at the Jordan.
So yes, he did nail those sins at the cross as well.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

>For example, it was my belief that only one of God's holy convocations listed in Leviticus 23 is currently relevant; I did not claim to observe any of the other convocations.

Some SDA's and some non-SDA's think that we should observe the convocations of Lev. 23.

Certainly you don't mean to imply that this is the official position of the SDA denomination . . . . correct?

The SDA denomination still teaches that the old covenant law was divided into categories . . . . does it not?

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

the lord did not partially fulfill the law

If He did, would He have indicated that not one jot or tittle would pass until all had been accomplished?

BFA

 

[Stryder06]

Can you explain the Adventist belief in the second and last phase of the atonement, starting in the year 1844, for the person asking for information on the Adventist view of atonement?

Nice try Tall. She didn't inquire about 1844. You brought that in. The subject isn't something that is explained over an internet forum. I'm in the midst of doing a study of the sanctuary service now, and while I'm no scholar on the matter, I do see Christ in and threw the entire system. Ever think that it's not the doctrine, but you're understanding of atonement that's the problem?

 

[Isolation]

If He did, would He have indicated that not one jot or tittle would pass until all had been accomplished?

BFA

Maybe he fulfilled everything except the sacrifices that were a shadow of him?

hebrews 10:1-4

honestly im just asking people to look into how they did sacrifices to get my POV

 

[Isolation]

i have learned enough now

thanks! unsubbing

 

[OldStudent]

Didn't Christ fulfill the requirement of the law in us though?

There is considerable confusion about the multiple aspects of the work of the Christ in our redemption. Matthew 1:21 contains this KEY phrase, "...for he shall save his people FROM their sins." There is no need for Jesus to do anything about our sins UNTIL the wooing of the Holy Spirit suceeds in bringing us to the point of realizing our dire state and brings us to willingness to accept the help and transformation needed (Acts 2:37,38). A key part of Jesus' work is dealing with our past history and the real guilt recorded there. His perfect life takes the place of our deficient life. He offered His death in place of the one we earned. All this is to deal with the past which is otherwise hopelessly out of our reach and HAS to be dealt with before present and future effort is even worth addressing. Then it makes sense to embark on the amazing new life likened as starting with "being born again" - born from above. This birth opens a new nature within us with its new opportunities and capabilities (John 3:1-21; 2 Corinthians 5:17).

It is too common to selectively read passages in such a way that Jesus can save us IN our sins. To enter the "saved" state can be done in a moment but there is follow up. I had a serious accident that required I have a knee rebuilt. I gave the Dr permission to do a lot of work I couldn't do to repair damage beyond my reach. But he could not finish the work. I then had to submit to weeks of physical therapy where the therapist taught me things and pushed and bent me in ways that pushed my endurance and pain thresholds. I did a lot of at-home exercises to regain use of that leg. I remained his patient and my knee was "saved" as long as we continued working together toward recovery. I was soon parking the car at the other end of the parking lot in part because I needed to but really just because I COULD walk! If at any point I decided to quit, our association would end and my leg would not heal - it's use lost. He was not a tyrant that I could not get away from - neither is God.

 

[Criada]

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