Gay Conversion Therapy

[hedrick]

There's too much ideology here. I think evidence is pretty good that changing orientation isn't possible, but changing behavior is. It's not easy, and may not last, but gays have certainly been able to remain celibate and even marry someone of the opposite sex. Not all of those situations end well (my cousin was involved in one), but it is possible.

It's also clear that a lot of attempts to change orientation have been abusive, particularly when the victim has no way out (i.e. they're minors).

I'd support banning attempts to change orientation or behavior without informed consent. By definition that means no minors. But I don't think governments have any business banning attempts to help a person change behavior with informed consent.

Attempts to change orientation could reasonably be called false advertising, but it's hard to separate attempts to change orientation from behavior. In fact the proposed California bill doesn't make that distinction. I think it's unconstitutional for that reason.

 

[SilverBear]

You mean like forcing LGBT homosexuality on children in the Kindergarten classroom curriculum, without a parents consent, moving to instill and teach the problem of homosexuality in the child to begin with.

just like how black history month pushes white children to become African American

 

[Truth7t7]

just like how black history month pushes white children to become African American

Can't change the color of your skin unless your Michael Jackson.

But you sure can influence the innocent child into the unnatural sexual behavior of homosexuality, influenced, learned, behavior.

 

[Skreeper]

Can't change the color of your skin unless your Michael Jackson.

But you sure can influence the innocent child into the unnatural sexual behavior of homosexuality.

You can't turn children homosexual just by telling them that homosexual people exist.

What drug are you on?

 

[Truth7t7]

You can't turn children homosexual just by telling them that homosexual people exist.

What drug are you on?

Do you really think conservative America is going to allow this to happen without action to 5 year old innocent children as seen in the article below?

Conservative policemen, firemen, construction workers, military, etc, are gonna sit and watch as liberals try to push homosexuality on their innocent children in a public kindergarten classroom?

American

At Rocklin Academy School in Rocklin, California, for example, a kindergarten teacher traumatized students with a lesson that culminated with a transgender child changing his clothes to match those of his so-called true gender.

The controversial school lesson included two books about transgenderism, entitled I am Jazz and The Red Crayon. At the end of the lesson, a student in the class who identifies as transgender changed his clothes to ones that matched the gender with which he identifies. The teacher then told the students that the five-year-old boy was now a “girl” who had a girl’s name by which he should be addressed.

The students reportedly went home extremely upset following the lesson.

“My daughter came home crying and shaking so afraid she could turn into a boy,” said one parent.

What's worse is that the efforts to normalize transgenderism are doing a disservice to transgender individuals, who should be seeking help for their gender dysphoria, not embracing and celebrating it

 

[Skreeper]

Do you really think conservative America is going to allow this to happen without action to 5 year old innocent children as seen in the article below?

Conservative policemen, firemen, construction workers are gonna sit and watch as liberal homosexuality tries to enter the classroom of their children?

American

At Rocklin Academy School in Rocklin, California, for example, a kindergarten teacher traumatized students with a lesson that culminated with a transgender child changing his clothes to match those of his so-called true gender.

The controversial school lesson included two books about transgenderism, entitled I am Jazz and The Red Crayon. At the end of the lesson, a student in the class who identifies as transgender changed his clothes to ones that matched the gender with which he identifies. The teacher then told the students that the five-year-old boy was now a “girl” who had a girl’s name by which he should be addressed.

The students reportedly went home extremely upset following the lesson.

“My daughter came home crying and shaking so afraid she could turn into a boy,” said one parent.

What's worse is that the efforts to normalize transgenderism are doing a disservice to transgender individuals, who should be seeking help for their gender dysphoria, not embracing and celebrating it

I don't get why you suddenly have to bring up transgender people.

You made it seem like teaching what homosexuality is can turn straight children into homosexual children which of course is complete rubbish.

Homosexuality, like every sexual attraction, is not a learned behavior.

 

[KCfromNC]

Where has that been shown?

e.g. Satisfaction With Male-to-Female Gender Reassignment Surgery: Results of a Retrospective Analysis

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't get why you suddenly have to bring up transgender people.

You made it seem like teaching what homosexuality is can turn straight children into homosexual children which of course is complete rubbish.

Homosexuality, like every sexual attraction, is not a learned behavior.

You didn't answer the question highlighted in "Red"

Do you really think conservative America is going to allow this to happen without action to 5 year old innocent children as seen in the article below?

Conservative policemen, firemen, construction workers, military, etc, are gonna sit and watch as liberals try to push homosexuality on their innocent children in a public kindergarten classroom?

American

At Rocklin Academy School in Rocklin, California, for example, a kindergarten teacher traumatized students with a lesson that culminated with a transgender child changing his clothes to match those of his so-called true gender.

The controversial school lesson included two books about transgenderism, entitled I am Jazz and The Red Crayon. At the end of the lesson, a student in the class who identifies as transgender changed his clothes to ones that matched the gender with which he identifies. The teacher then told the students that the five-year-old boy was now a “girl” who had a girl’s name by which he should be addressed.

The students reportedly went home extremely upset following the lesson.

“My daughter came home crying and shaking so afraid she could turn into a boy,” said one parent.

What's worse is that the efforts to normalize transgenderism are doing a disservice to transgender individuals, who should be seeking help for their gender dysphoria, not embracing and celebrating it

 

[KCfromNC]

But you sure can influence the innocent child into the unnatural sexual behavior of homosexuality, influenced, learned, behavior.

If only confident assertions were the same as facts.

 

[Skreeper]

You didn't answer the question highlighted in "Red"

Do you really think conservative America is going to allow this to happen without action to 5 year old innocent children as seen in the article below?

Conservative policemen, firemen, construction workers, military, etc, are gonna sit and watch as liberals try to push homosexuality on their innocent children in a public kindergarten classroom?

American

At Rocklin Academy School in Rocklin, California, for example, a kindergarten teacher traumatized students with a lesson that culminated with a transgender child changing his clothes to match those of his so-called true gender.

The controversial school lesson included two books about transgenderism, entitled I am Jazz and The Red Crayon. At the end of the lesson, a student in the class who identifies as transgender changed his clothes to ones that matched the gender with which he identifies. The teacher then told the students that the five-year-old boy was now a “girl” who had a girl’s name by which he should be addressed.

The students reportedly went home extremely upset following the lesson.

“My daughter came home crying and shaking so afraid she could turn into a boy,” said one parent.

What's worse is that the efforts to normalize transgenderism are doing a disservice to transgender individuals, who should be seeking help for their gender dysphoria, not embracing and celebrating it

Maybe you can point out the part where teaching children about what homosexuality is turned straight children into homosexual children.

 

[Truth7t7]

Maybe you can point out the part where teaching children about what homosexuality is turned straight children into homosexual children.

You didn't answer the question highlighted in "Red"

Do you really think conservative America is going to allow this to happen without action to 5 year old innocent children as seen in the article below?

Conservative policemen, firemen, construction workers, military, etc, are gonna sit and watch as liberals try to push homosexuality on their innocent children in a public kindergarten classroom?

American

At Rocklin Academy School in Rocklin, California, for example, a kindergarten teacher traumatized students with a lesson that culminated with a transgender child changing his clothes to match those of his so-called true gender.

The controversial school lesson included two books about transgenderism, entitled I am Jazz and The Red Crayon. At the end of the lesson, a student in the class who identifies as transgender changed his clothes to ones that matched the gender with which he identifies. The teacher then told the students that the five-year-old boy was now a “girl” who had a girl’s name by which he should be addressed.

The students reportedly went home extremely upset following the lesson.

“My daughter came home crying and shaking so afraid she could turn into a boy,” said one parent.

What's worse is that the efforts to normalize transgenderism are doing a disservice to transgender individuals, who should be seeking help for their gender dysphoria, not embracing and celebrating it

 

[Zoii]

You didn't answer the question highlighted in "Red"

Do you really think conservative America is going to allow this to happen without action to 5 year old innocent children as seen in the article below?

Conservative policemen, firemen, construction workers, military, etc, are gonna sit and watch as liberals try to push homosexuality on their innocent children in a public kindergarten classroom?

American

At Rocklin Academy School in Rocklin, California, for example, a kindergarten teacher traumatized students with a lesson that culminated with a transgender child changing his clothes to match those of his so-called true gender.

The controversial school lesson included two books about transgenderism, entitled I am Jazz and The Red Crayon. At the end of the lesson, a student in the class who identifies as transgender changed his clothes to ones that matched the gender with which he identifies. The teacher then told the students that the five-year-old boy was now a “girl” who had a girl’s name by which he should be addressed.

The students reportedly went home extremely upset following the lesson.

“My daughter came home crying and shaking so afraid she could turn into a boy,” said one parent.

What's worse is that the efforts to normalize transgenderism are doing a disservice to transgender individuals, who should be seeking help for their gender dysphoria, not embracing and celebrating it

Please stay on topic - This is not a thread on US education. It is not a thread to espouse your views of the gay community. This is a thread on Gay conversion. Please stay on topic.

 

[Truth7t7]

Please stay on topic - This is not a thread on US education. It is not a thread to espouse your views of the gay community. This is a thread on Gay conversion. Please stay on topic.

If you follow the exchage you will find postings by others that deviated from the topic?

Why do you address the conservative voice Truth7t7 that opposes you?

Christian conversion therapy in Australia, sounds like the Aussies are on the right track in removing homosexuality as normal.

A Good Thing!

 

[super animator]

Christian conversion therapy

What?

 

[Mayzoo]

I don't get why you suddenly have to bring up transgender people.

You made it seem like teaching what homosexuality is can turn straight children into homosexual children which of course is complete rubbish.

Homosexuality, like every sexual attraction, is not a learned behavior.

Anecdotal evidence to follow :

I was exposed to both at the age of 4 or 5. I had a distant cousin who was considered homosexual by her family and she was transitioning. Both were explained to me at the age of 4or 5, and this was 45 years ago. I meet her during a family gathering right after this was all explained to me. The only traumatic event during the whole experience was I was accidentally burned someone else's cigarette.

I am still just as heterosexual as I have always been.

 

[Mayzoo]

Soun

You didn't answer the question highlighted in "Red"

Do you really think conservative America is going to allow this to happen without action to 5 year old innocent children as seen in the article below?

Conservative policemen, firemen, construction workers, military, etc, are gonna sit and watch as liberals try to push homosexuality on their innocent children in a public kindergarten classroom?

American

At Rocklin Academy School in Rocklin, California, for example, a kindergarten teacher traumatized students with a lesson that culminated with a transgender child changing his clothes to match those of his so-called true gender.

The controversial school lesson included two books about transgenderism, entitled I am Jazz and The Red Crayon. At the end of the lesson, a student in the class who identifies as transgender changed his clothes to ones that matched the gender with which he identifies. The teacher then told the students that the five-year-old boy was now a “girl” who had a girl’s name by which he should be addressed.

The students reportedly went home extremely upset following the lesson.

“My daughter came home crying and shaking so afraid she could turn into a boy,” said one parent.

What's worse is that the efforts to normalize transgenderism are doing a disservice to transgender individuals, who should be seeking help for their gender dysphoria, not embracing and celebrating it

Sounds to me like the subject was poorly handled by the writer of that lesson. I never worried I was going to change gender or become a homosexual after I was talked to about both subjects at the age of 4-5.

Teachers are human and this is a new subject matter for schools. They are ironing out the problems with the curriculum along the way. I am sure all new subject matter that is introduced to the education system contains complications to be ironed out.

Then again, if kids were taught these subjects at home like they should have been, ie sex education, then the schools would not have become stuck with the job. When parents refuse to educate their children, it will fall to the schools. Sex education would have never been introduced to schools if parents had done their jobs and educated their children at home.

For those parents who are so adamant their children should remain uneducated on real world subjects, in most states homeschooling would be their solution. That way they can deny them education on any subject they so choose, and their children can learn about these subjects on their own from the internet or an equally ignorant friend. We all know what a great teacher the internet and the ignorant neighbor friend is *sigh*.

I homeschool because my child has special needs, and I can guarantee you my child is not uneducated and unprepared for real life. I do not want the internet teaching my child.

 

[Truth7t7]

Soun


Sounds to me like the subject was poorly handled by the writer of that lesson. I never worried I was going to change gender or become a homosexual after I was talked to about both subjects at the age of 4-5.

Teachers are human and this is a new subject matter for schools. They are ironing out the problems with the curriculum along the way. I am sure all new subject matter that is introduced to the education system contains complications to be ironed out.

Then again, if kids were taught these subjects at home like they should have been, ie sex education, then the schools would not have become stuck with the job. When parents refuse to educate their children, it will fall to the schools. Sex education would have never been introduced to schools if parents had done their jobs and educated their children at home.

For those parents who are so adamant their children should remain uneducated on real world subjects, in most states homeschooling would be their solution. That way they can deny them education on any subject they so choose, and their children can learn about these subjects on their own from the internet. We all know what a great teacher the internet is *sigh*.

I homeschool because my child has special needs, and I can guarantee you my child is not uneducated and unprepared for real life. I do not want the internet teaching my child.

The mandate in Illinois and California to teach homosexuality "Awareness" will be challenged the day it enters the classroom as a public mandate.

(FADA) Is a new law that will expedite the scenario, that protects the religious from being subjected to such government madates that oppose their religious belief.

Obama is gone now, the floor is now being swept.

 

[Mayzoo]

The mandate in Illinois and California to teach homosexuality "Awareness" will be challenged the day it enters the classroom as a public mandate.

(FADA) Is a new law that will expedite the scenario, that protects the religious from being subjected to such government madates that oppose their religious belief.

Obama is gone now, the floor is now being swept.

As I stated, anyone who does not want their child to be educated on the necessary subjects to be an adult in this country can homeschool them so they remain uninformed on any subject the parent chooses.

That way the child learns about life from the internet when they are older. Education through porn comes to mind as many kids find porn on the internet to sate their curiosity about sex that their parents refuse to teach them.

 

[Dave-W]

Still born male/female No scientific case of hermaphrodite.

Not so. There are certainly true hermaphrodites.

Stella Dimoko Korkus.com: Hermaphrodite Impregnates Self And Gives Birth To Hermaphrodite Twins

What human chimeras are, and why there might be far more of them than we realise

NEJM - Error

Origin of chi46,XX/46,XY chimerism in a human true hermaphrodite

 

[Truth7t7]

Not so. There are certainly true hermaphrodites.

Stella Dimoko Korkus.com: Hermaphrodite Impregnates Self And Gives Birth To Hermaphrodite Twins

What human chimeras are, and why there might be far more of them than we realise

NEJM - Error

Origin of chi46,XX/46,XY chimerism in a human true hermaphrodite

Your article on a supposed hermaphrodite and self impregnation is "Fake News"

There is no scientific record of any human being hermaphrodite, "Greek Mythology"

The Hastings Center

On August 5, the World News Daily Report published an article that has been circulating on my Facebook newsfeed every day since: “Hermaphrodite Impregnates Self, Gives Birth to Hermaphrodite Twins.”

Never mind that at the bottom of the webpage, the World News Daily Report publishes the following disclaimer: that it “assumes all responsibility for the satirical nature of its articles and for the fictional nature of their content. All characters appearing in the articles in this website — even those based on real people — are entirely fictional and any resemblance between them and any person, living dead or undead, is purely a miracle.”

Most readers don’t make it to the bottom of the page, apparently, and even among my intersex circles and the rest of my educated friends on Facebook, people are wondering: “Can this be true?”