Galatians' Justification

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

The problem with it is he has the opinions of 273 other men as sinful and liable to err as the rest of us. All those books simply do is reinforce error and preconceived opinion.

We all have many resources available to us to help inform our understanding. The key to avoiding error is to listen to the warnings of the Holy Spirit. When you come aacross an error, the Holy Spirit warns you. When you come across truth, He reinforces it. If you find that reading a resource produces warning after warning, you probable should avoid it (unless the Holy Spirit has a purpose for you to continue).

This holds true for posts in this forum, sermons you may hear, etc. The Spirit of truth will guide you into all truth.

 

[HIM]

The problem with it is he has the opinions of 273 other men as sinful and liable to err as the rest of us. All those books simply do is reinforce error and preconceived opinion.

There are some good ones.The issue I have found is people grow dependent on said men and they end up led astray. And or they deaden their ears to the Spirit

 

[Gary K]

We all have many resources available to us to help inform our understanding. The key to avoiding error is to listen to the warnings of the Holy Spirit. When you come aacross an error, the Holy Spirit warns you. When you come across truth, He reinforces it. If you find that reading a resource produces warning after warning, you probable should avoid it (unless the Holy Spirit has a purpose for you to continue).

This holds true for posts in this forum, sermons you may hear, etc. The Spirit of truth will guide you into all truth.

Are you sure of that? If your assertion is true why don't we see complete agreement among Christians on all Bible teaching?

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Are you sure of that? If your assertion is true why don't we see complete agreement among Christians on all Bible teaching?

I am confident that God works in the manner that I described. I can only assume that our dissagreements stem from not trusting Him. Here is a relevant quote from 1 John:

26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. [The New King James Version (1 Jn 2:26–27). (1982). Thomas Nelson.]​

I experience the truths to which these Scriptures point. I do not say I respond to Him in faith all the time, so the things I post are not on par with listening to the Spirit. But I am confident that He is able to correct my misunderstandings and point me in the right direction.

 

[Gary K]

I am confident that God works in the manner that I described. I can only assume that our dissagreements stem from not trusting Him. Here is a relevant quote from 1 John:

26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. [The New King James Version (1 Jn 2:26–27). (1982). Thomas Nelson.]​

I experience the truths to which these Scriptures point. I do not say I respond to Him in faith all the time, so the things I post are not on par with listening to the Spirit. But I am confident that He is able to correct my misunderstandings and point me in the right direction.

So. I ask again. why there is so much variance of beliefs in the Christian community?

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

So. I ask again. why there is so much variance of beliefs in the Christian community?

I tried to answer that when I said, "I can only assume that our dissagreements stem from not trusting Him".

I really do believe lack of faith is the core issue. For instance, when the Lord leads us to seek first to understand the other person, but instead of walking as He leads, we jump to incorrect conclusions, and an argument ensues... the argument stems from a lack of faith. Add to this the fact that not everyone who claims to be a Christian has the Spirit of God living in them, and add to this that there is a strain of thought within Christianity that dissuades people from interracting with God's Spirit (because you can't trust the voices in your head), and add to this the whole concept of folowing the extra-Biblical traditions that have been handed down over centuries... well, you have what we have today... just about as many different beliefs as we have people.

Which leads to a question: will the Son of Man find faith when He returns?

 

[Gary K]

I tried to answer that when I said, "I can only assume that our dissagreements stem from not trusting Him".

I really do believe lack of faith is the core issue. For instance, when the Lord leads us to seek first to understand the other person, but instead of walking as He leads, we jump to incorrect conclusions, and an argument ensues... the argument stems from a lack of faith. Add to this the fact that not everyone who claims to be a Christian has the Spirit of God living in them, and add to this that there is a strain of thought within Christianity that dissuades people from interracting with God's Spirit (because you can't trust the voices in your head), and add to this the whole concept of folowing the extra-Biblical traditions that have been handed down over centuries... well, you have what we have today... just about as many different beliefs as we have people.

Which leads to a question: will the Son of Man find faith when He returns?

So you haven't come to understand from all the posts of mine you've read that I love God and trust in Him implicitly? It seems to me that I have posted your closing text to me to you already. Maybe I posted it to someone else but it sticks in my head that it was you.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

So you haven't come to understand from all the posts of mine you've read that I love God and trust in Him implicitly? It seems to me that I have posted your closing text to me to you already. Maybe I posted it to someone else but it sticks in my head that it was you.

I remember you said it, and that's why I in essence quoted you. and Yes, I have learned that you love God and trust Him. and the example I gave about jumping to conclusions was about me jumping to conclusions instead of seeking first to understand.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

You brought up the Lord's question in an earlier post and I responded that I shared your concern. Here is what I see as the big concern:

19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. [The New King James Version (Ro 11:19–23). (1982). Thomas Nelson.]​

Israel had the Scriptures and all the traditions, and through them the Christ came. But when He was in their physical presence, they rejected Him through unbelief. A remarkable Scripture says, "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life." (Jn 5:39–40) NKJV

As a result of their unbelief, they were cast out, and we were brought in. If they don't continue in unbelief, they will be brought back in. But a warning exists for us. We can be cut off too because of our unbelief. Stiff-arming the God who lives in our hearts while proclaiming that you can't trust the voices in your head is essentialy the same thing they did to Jesus when they refused to put their trust in Him.

That is why I said I share your concern.

 

[Gary K]

You brought up the Lord's question in an earlier post and I responded that I shared your concern. Here is what I see as the big concern:

19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. [The New King James Version (Ro 11:19–23). (1982). Thomas Nelson.]​

Israel had the Scriptures and all the traditions, and through them the Christ came. But when He was in their physical presence, they rejected Him through unbelief. A remarkable Scripture says, "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life." (Jn 5:39–40) NKJV

As a result of their unbelief, they were cast out, and we were brought in. If they don't continue in unbelief, they will be brought back in. But a warning exists for us. We can be cut off too because of our unbelief. Stiff-arming the God who lives in our hearts while proclaiming that you can't trust the voices in your head is essentialy the same thing they did to Jesus when they refused to put their trust in Him.

That is why I said I share your concern.

We are pretty close to agreeing. The reason the Jews rejected Jesus is because of their traditions. Here is just one of their traditions they placed above the law of God.

Mat_15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Mat_15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

We are pretty close to agreeing. The reason the Jews rejected Jesus is because of their traditions. Here is just one of their traditions they placed above the law of God.

I agree that was a big stumbling block.

 

[Studyman]

We all have many resources available to us to help inform our understanding. The key to avoiding error is to listen to the warnings of the Holy Spirit.

Peter and Jesus say that the Holy spirit is given to those who Obey God. Are these not inspired by the Holy Spirit?

When you come aacross an error, the Holy Spirit warns you.

Like it warned Ananias and Saphira, and Judas?

When you come across truth, He reinforces it. If you find that reading a resource produces warning after warning, you probable should avoid it (unless the Holy Spirit has a purpose for you to continue).

The Holy Scriptures, which Paul said are Inspired by the Spirit of God, warns over and over about "Listening to the other voice in the garden", about listening to men who "Call the Christ, Lord, Lord", about deceivers who "Come in Christ's Name"? About men who disguise themselves as Apostles of Christ. About the religious philosophies and traditions of men.

About Men who profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Why did the Spirit of Christ give His Body all these warnings, if we don't need them?

This holds true for posts in this forum, sermons you may hear, etc. The Spirit of truth will guide you into all truth.

Paul teaches;

2 Tim. 3: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Isn't the Holy Scriptures created by the Spirit of Truth and are trustworthy for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Why then, would a man seeking truth of God, trust a different source for that truth?

 

[HIM]

Peter and Jesus say that the Holy spirit is given to those who Obey God. Are these not inspired by the Holy Spirit?



Like it warned Ananias and Saphira, and Judas?




The Holy Scriptures, which Paul said are Inspired by the Spirit of God, warns over and over about "Listening to the other voice in the garden", about listening to men who "Call the Christ, Lord, Lord", about deceivers who "Come in Christ's Name"? About men who disguise themselves as Apostles of Christ. About the religious philosophies and traditions of men.

About Men who profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Why did the Spirit of Christ give His Body all these warnings, if we don't need them?



Paul teaches;

2 Tim. 3: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Isn't the Holy Scriptures created by the Spirit of Truth and are trustworthy for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Why then, would a man seeking truth of God, trust a different source for that truth?

Because a little leaven leavens the whole.

 

[d taylor]

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For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

A son of God is a born again believer.

 

[HIM]

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For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

A son of God is a born again believer.

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


Here is Gal 3:26 in the Greek. Do you see the difference from what you posted. Inparticular the use of the definite article.

Gal 3:26 Πάντες γὰρ For All υἱοὶ Sons θεοῦ Of God ἐστε Ye Are διὰ Through τῆς the πίστεως Faith ἐν In Χριστῷ Christ Ἰησοῦ· Jesus.

 

[d taylor]

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knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

For gentile's who are not under the law. like Israel was. A gentile can place themselves under a man given law by adding to faith other actions like repentance, baptism, obedience or even bring in requirements from the Jewish law. Which is a false way to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation and become a born again child of God. Which is only by faith in Jesus, which is what Paul states in Galatians.

 

[HIM]

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knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

For gentile's who are not under the law. like Israel was. A gentile can place themselves under a man given law by adding to faith other actions like repentance, baptism, obedience or even bring in requirements from the Jewish law. Which is a false way to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation and become a born again child of God. Which is only by faith in Jesus, which is what Paul states in Galatians.

Here is Gal 3:26 in the Greek. Do you see the difference from what you posted. Inparticular the use of the definite article. Is there a difference between saying we are justified by faith in Christ and saying we are justified by the faith in Christ? Or rather as it actually says, we are justified through the faith in Christ.

Gal 3:26 Πάντες γὰρ For All υἱοὶ Sons θεοῦ Of God ἐστε Ye Are διὰ Through τῆς the πίστεως Faith ἐν In Χριστῷ Christ Ἰησοῦ· Jesus.

 

[d taylor]

Here is Gal 3:26 in the Greek. Do you see the difference from what you posted. Inparticular the use of the definite article. Is there a difference between saying we are justified by faith in Christ and saying we are justified by the faith in Christ? Or rather as it actually says, we are justified through the faith in Christ.

Gal 3:26 Πάντες γὰρ For All υἱοὶ Sons θεοῦ Of God ἐστε Ye Are διὰ Through τῆς the πίστεως Faith ἐν In Χριστῷ Christ Ἰησοῦ· Jesus.

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No, because it is the faith in Jesus, it is not just a random faith. The object of a person faith that gives a person God's free gift of Eternal Life in a moment of time, is the faith that is placed in Jesus. As which Paul is contrasting (in Galatians) faith in the works of the law for Justification.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes. Those who accepted Paul's advice.

Actually some of them were severed from Christ and had fallen from grace by seeking to be justified by obedience to the law.

 

[Gary K]

Actually some of them were severed from Christ and had fallen from grace by seeking to be justified by obedience to the law.

Could you remind me what verses I was speaking of? It's been a long time since that conversation took place, at least for my old memory.