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Featured Fundamentals of the Faith part 18 The coming of Christ to Deliver Israel

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Biblewriter, Nov 5, 2017.

  1. Biblewriter

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    Some will be surprised at the idea that the coming of Christ to deliver Israel should be presented as a fundamental of the faith. For it is denied by many Christians. And even among those that believe it, most do not consider this doctrine fundamental. But it is fundamental, because it affects the very basic foundations of the Christian faith. There is no doctrine more essential to basic and fundamental Christianity, than the faithfulness of God. Our entire hope is built on the reliability of the word of God, on the fact that we can absolutely trust Him to do as He said. If His promises are not absolutely true and faithful, then we have zero basis for our faith. Without this secure foundation, we have nothing. Indeed, the scriptures themselves say that “If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.” (1 Corinthians 15:19)

    Now many, even many real and sincere Christians, think that in the promises of the Old Testament, when God said Israel, He meant “the church.” and when He said “the land,” He meant heaven. And many argue this idea very convincingly. But it neglects one basic thing. And that is that God made these promises to a particular people, to a specific nation. And if He could faithfully tell that nation that He was not really speaking about themselves, but was actually speaking of a different people that would come in the future, He could just as faithfully tell us that the promises He made to us were not really meant for us, but for a different people that would come in the future. If the promises of God are not absolutely true and faithful, then we have no basis for our faith.

    These people imagine that the language of Bible prophecy is symbolic, that nothing means what it actually says, but always means something different. And as long as the subject is only prophetic dreams or visions, this has merit. For without a single exception in the entire Bible, every dream or vision which is accompanied by an inspired interpretation, had a meaning entirely different from what had been seen. But that is not the case with explicitly stated promises, or with explicit statements that specific things will happen. A case in point here is a long section of Daniel 11, running from verse 2 through verse 35. This section covers a series of wars that lasted about 150 years, and is so precisely accurate, down to the tiniest detail, that unbelievers argue that its very accuracy proves that it could not have been written before these events took place.

    Now many of the people who argue as we have been speaking, are simply ignorant of the way many of these prophecies are stated. They are not aware that many of them are stated in language that cannot even rationally be re-interpreted to mean anything different from what they say. One such case is found in Ezekiel 36, where the “mountains of Israel,” along with “the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken,” (verse 4) are promised that “you shall shoot forth your branches and yield your fruit to My people Israel, for they are about to come. For indeed I am for you, and I will turn to you, and you shall be tilled and sown. I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, all of it; and the cities shall be inhabited and the ruins rebuilt. I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bear young; I will make you inhabited as in former times, and do better for you than at your beginnings. Then you shall know that I am the LORD.” (Ezekiel 36:8-11) Again, Ezekiel 47:13-20 goes so far as to precisely define the future borders of the land of Israel, and the following chapter, Ezekiel 48, defines how this land is to be divided among the twelve tribes of Israel.
     
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    Again, the people who desire to interpret these scriptures in this way, imagine that the promises were only made to the children of Abraham, and point out that the scriptures clearly state that those that share the faith of Abraham are the children of Abraham. And if the only promises in question were those made to Abraham, this argument would have at least some merit. But there were not only promises made to Abraham. Other promises were specifically and explicitly made to many of his descendants. We have just noticed a promise made to “all the house of Israel, all of it.” The Hebrew wording here translated “all - all of it,” is the Hebrew word kol. (word number 3605 in Strong's Hebrew Dictionary) In this passage, this Hebrew word which literally translates as the English word all, is doubled, stressing that the meaning is absolutely all of “the house of Israel.” Again, we read, “It shall come to pass in that day That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time To recover the remnant of His people who are left, From Assyria and Egypt, From Pathros and Cush, From Elam and Shinar, From Hamath and the islands of the sea. He will set up a banner for the nations, And will assemble the outcasts of Israel, And gather together the dispersed of Judah From the four corners of the earth. Also the envy of Ephraim shall depart, And the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off; Ephraim shall not envy Judah, And Judah shall not harass Ephraim.” (Isaiah 11:11-13)

    So now we see an explicitly stated promise, made not only to the ancient nation of Israel, but to its two sub-nations of Judah and Ephraim. And Ezekiel 48, as we have already mentioned, extends this promise to each of the twelve tribes of Israel by name. While there is some logic in arguing that “Israel” means “the church,” there is absolutely no excuse, anywhere in the entire Bible, for applying this logic to the names of the sub-nations of Judah and Ephraim, or to the names of any of the twelve tribes of Israel. Nor does any scripture contain any excuse for interpreting the name “Jacob” to mean “the church.” Yet we read in Isaiah 41:14, “‘Fear not, you worm Jacob, You men of Israel! I will help you,’ says the LORD And your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.”

    Again, although there is some logic in arguing that “the children of Abraham” means “the church,” this logic cannot be used in regard to “the sons of Zadok.” For we read, “‘But the priests, the Levites, the sons of Zadok, who kept charge of My sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from Me, they shall come near Me to minister to Me; and they shall stand before Me to offer to Me the fat and the blood,’ says the Lord GOD. They shall enter My sanctuary, and they shall come near My table to minister to Me, and they shall keep My charge.” (Ezekiel 44:15-16)

    Nor can this logic be used in regard to “the family of the house of David.” Or to “the family of the house of Nathan,” “the family of the house of Levi,” or “the family of the house of Shimei.” For all of these are explicitly named in regard to the repentant mourning that will take place when Messiah returns. “And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves.” (Zechariah 12:11-13)

    So we see that there are explicitly stated promises made, not only to the children of Abraham, but to the physical land of Israel, to the nation of Israel, even calling it “Jacob,” to the sub-nations of Judah and Ephraim, to each of the twelve tribes of Israel by name, to the sons of Zadok, and to the families of the houses of David, Nathan. Levi, and Shimei. Thus we see that, aside from simple ignorance of the scriptures, it is nothing short of unbelief to deny that Christ will indeed come to deliver Israel.
     
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    The coming of Christ to deliver Israel takes place at the same time as His coming to judge the wicked. That is, this coming will have a dual purpose, both to judge the wicked and to deliver Israel.

    This becomes clear in the prophecy we previously examined in Zechariah 14, about the great earthquake that will take place when the Lord’s feet touch the Mount of Olives. This prophecy goes on to say “And in that day it shall be That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem, Half of them toward the eastern sea And half of them toward the western sea; In both summer and winter it shall occur. And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be-- ‘The LORD is one,’ And His name one. All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Benjamin's Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananeel to the king's winepresses. The people shall dwell in it; And no longer shall there be utter destruction, But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.” (Zechariah 14:8-11)

    We see this again in the passage we examined from Habakkuk 3 about God coming with “rays flashing from His hand.” For the next verse after the part we already read says, “You went forth for the salvation of Your people, For salvation with Your Anointed. You struck the head from the house of the wicked, By laying bare from foundation to neck. Selah” (Habakkuk 3:13)

    But this is conclusive in the passage we previously examined in Isaiah 66 about the Lord coming “with fire,” “To render His anger with fury, And His rebuke with flames of fire.” For that passage goes on to say, “‘For I know their works and their thoughts. It shall be that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come and see My glory. I will set a sign among them; and those among them who escape I will send to the nations: to Tarshish and Pul and Lud, who draw the bow, and Tubal and Javan, to the coastlands afar off who have not heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they shall declare My glory among the Gentiles. Then they shall bring all your brethren for an offering to the LORD out of all nations, on horses and in chariots and in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem,’ says the LORD, ‘as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD. And I will also take some of them for priests and Levites,’ says the LORD.” (Isaiah 66:18-21)

    So it is absolutely clear that the Lord will accomplish these two purposes in a single coming. But what about the promises of Israel’s deliverance? What do the scriptures actually say about it? During the tribulation period Jerusalem will be under siege, as we read “Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill sacrifices. Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as Ariel. And I will camp against thee round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee.” (Isaiah 29:1-3) But then we read “Moreover the multitude of your foes Shall be like fine dust, And the multitude of the terrible ones Like chaff that passes away; Yes, it shall be in an instant, suddenly. You will be punished by the LORD of hosts With thunder and earthquake and great noise, With storm and tempest And the flame of devouring fire. The multitude of all the nations who fight against Ariel, Even all who fight against her and her fortress, And distress her, Shall be as a dream of a night vision.” (Isaiah 29:5-7)

    The Lord says of that deliverance that “I will remove far from you the northern army, And will drive him away into a barren and desolate land, With his face toward the eastern sea And his back toward the western sea; His stench will come up, And his foul odor will rise, Because he has done monstrous things.” (Joel 2:20) And “Therefore thus says the Lord GOD of hosts: ‘O My people, who dwell in Zion, do not be afraid of the Assyrian. He shall strike you with a rod and lift up his staff against you, in the manner of Egypt. For yet a very little while and the indignation will cease, as will My anger in their destruction.’ And the LORD of hosts will stir up a scourge for him like the slaughter of Midian at the rock of Oreb; as His rod was on the sea, so will He lift it up in the manner of Egypt.” (Isaiah 10:24-26) And again, “when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.” (Joel 3:1-2)

    In connection with this great deliverance, we read, “And it shall come to pass in that day That the remnant of Israel, And such as have escaped of the house of Jacob, Will never again depend on him who defeated them, But will depend on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. The remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, To the Mighty God. For though your people, O Israel, be as the sand of the sea, A remnant of them will return; The destruction decreed shall overflow with righteousness.” (Isaiah 10:20-22)

    We have already noticed the bitter weeping of their repentance at that time. The result will be that “it shall come to pass that he who is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy--everyone who is recorded among the living in Jerusalem. When the Lord has washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and purged the blood of Jerusalem from her midst, by the spirit of judgment and by the spirit of burning.” (Isaiah 4:3-4) And “In that day you shall not be shamed for any of your deeds In which you transgress against Me; For then I will take away from your midst Those who rejoice in your pride, And you shall no longer be haughty In My holy mountain. I will leave in your midst A meek and humble people, And they shall trust in the name of the LORD. The remnant of Israel shall do no unrighteousness And speak no lies, Nor shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth; For they shall feed their flocks and lie down, And no one shall make them afraid.” (Zephaniah 3:11-13)

    This, then, is the wonderful deliverance that our Lord Jesus, the great promised Messiah of Israel, will rain down upon His people Israel in a future day. He has promised it. And His word is sure. And that is why this is indeed one of the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith.
     
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    The only way to make all of the above work is by ignoring the fact that the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is found fulfilled, word-for-word, by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13. This New Covenant is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24 and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

    It ignores the fact that Peter addressed the crowd on the Day of Pentecost as "men of Judea", then as "men of Israel", and in Acts 2:36 as "all the house of Israel". On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah chapter 31.

    It ignores the fact that Paul called himself an Israelite after his conversion in Romans 11:1.

    It ignores the text of Galatians 6:15-16.

    It ignores James addressing the early Church as "the twelve tribes scattered abroad" in James 1:1-3.

    It ignores the fact that for about 7 years almost all members of the early Church were Israelites, based on Matthew 10:5-7 and Galatians 1:14-18.

    It also ignores the warning about using genealogy in our faith, found in the verses below.

    1Ti_1:4  Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


    Tit_3:9  But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.



    The most important genealogy in the Bible is found in the first verse of the New Testament.

    Mat 1:1  The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 



    This fact is confirmed below by the Apostle Paul.

    Gal 3:16  Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 





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  5. jgr

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    In God's New Will and Testament, all promises are fulfilled in Christ.

    The OT promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator.

    If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following, or its equivalent:

    "I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

    This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

    We see the new promissory clauses of God's New Will and Testament in:

    Matthew 21:33-45
    In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

    Galatians 3:16
    Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

    2 Corinthians 1:20
    For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

    Hebrews 1:1,2
    1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

    and other scriptures. In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

    Additional promissory clauses in:

    Romans 8:16-17
    16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
    17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

    Galatians 3:29
    And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    make us who are in Christ joint heirs with Him.


    But there are no promissory clauses for anyone who is not in Christ.
     
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    Both of you are giving more credence to your interpretation of the meaning of one part of scripture, than to the explicit statements of many other parts of scripture.
     
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    How much more interpretively objective or explicit can you get:

    2 Corinthians 1:20
    For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

    Hebrews 1:1,2
    1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;


    They are promissory clauses which are perfect descriptions of God's implementation of His New Will and Testament.
     
  8. keras

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    What you promote, Biblewriter, is racism. You think that God's promises to His people in these end times just applies to ethnic Israelis.
    But the New Testament and many prophesies of the OT as well, prove that we Christian are the actual people of God. Just as it has always been: only those who believe in Him in faith, are counted as righteous. Paul makes this crystal clear in Galatians 3:26-29

    You say that God will again have Priests fro the Zadok/ Levite line. Have you never seen Isaiah 66:21? It plainly states that God will take priests from His people, who are [born again Christians] from every tribe, race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b, Revelation 5:9-10

    You say that only the Jews have a right to the holy Land. But the prophets always maintain a separation between Judah, the Jews and Israel. We know who are Jews, who then, is Israel now? Note that Jeremiah 50:20 again mentions the two Houses and the remnant of Judah, Romans 9:27, will receive a pardon for their sins.
    Jeremiah 50:4-5 and Ezekiel 37, plus many other prophesies say how they will be reunited in the latter days and will be a vast multitude of people. This must include a majority of non ethnic Jews.
     
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    All of you can call it anything you like, But there is absolutely nothing in the entire New Testament that actually says that the promises made by God in the Old Testament will not be literally kept, exactly as stated. And it is simply unbelief to dismiss simply accepting the word of God at face value as racism.

    And none of you van change the fact that all your cavils are simply attacks upon the faithfulness of God, and as such, are attacks against what is perhaps the most essential fundamental doctrine of the Christian faith.
     
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    It has been fulfilled when the Hebrew were returned from Babylon to rebuild Jerusalem.

    Its the Rothschild Dynasty who established Zionist nation in 1948.
    Why would God gather the unbeliever and the unrepenting fake Jews to Israel. Never.







    God will gather the 144000 of the Hebrew from the four corners of the earth and not from Israel nation where the 3rd temple will be established by Zionism for the antichrist.
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    There sure is.

    All completely fulfilled in Christ.
     
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    There's a hole bunch of stuff in the Christian NT where Jesus warns the Jews about what's coming , including a warning to those in Judea to flee to the mountains when they see the abomination of desolation. So what's the point of sending a message to the Jews in a book that they don't read. And the answer of course should be obvious , they "WILL" be reading it at that time. So yeah , Jesus is coming back to save all Israel.
     
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    Just what is the fundamental doctrine of the Christian faith?
    1 Peter 2:9-10 puts it very well: WE Christians are the people of God and there is no other!
    The OP of this thread is in serious error. Jesus comes to save His own people, those who love Him and keep His Commandments. ALL apostate, atheistic, etc, people in the holy Land will die. Isaiah 22:14

    I view your belief of a general Jewish redemption as an attack on our future destiny. As God's righteous people, it is us that will be the people God always wanted in His holy Land, the nation who bears the fruit of the Spirit and displays His Light to the nations. The vast multitude seen there by John are far more than just the [Messianic] remnant of the Jews.
     
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    In saying this, you are neglecting the fact that our only reason to trust God for anything, is His faithfulness. The fact that He will keep His promises, every one of them. If we cannot absolutely rely upon this, we have zero basis for our faith.

    And there can be zero doubt that our God made explicitly stated promises, to the land of Israel, to the nation of Israel, to the sub-nations of Judah and Ephraem, to each of the twelve tribes of Israel, to the sons of Zadok, and to the families of the houses of David, Nathan. Levi, and Shimei.

    It is physically impossible to even rationally pretend that these explicit stated promises actually meant "the church." And it is a blatant lie to claim that they have been fulfilled.
     
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    All indeed will be completely fulfilled in Christ. But only a fool would even try to argue that "all the house of Israel, all of it" (the Hebrew word "kol" repeated twice for emphasis) has ever returned to "the mountains of Israel," with "the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken." But this was explicitly promised in Ezekiel 36 1-10.

    To make your system of interpretation work, you have to pretend that almost none of the many prophecies in the Bible actually mean what they explicitly say. And along with that, you also have to claim that various passages in the New Testament mean things they never actually say.
     
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    Jer 31:31  "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 
    Jer 31:32  not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 
    Jer 31:33  But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 
    Jer 31:34  No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." 


    Mat 26:28  For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 


    Act 2:36  "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." 


    Rom 11:1  I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 



    2Co 3:6  who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 

    2Co 3:7  But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 

    2Co 3:8  how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 



    Heb 8:6  But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. 
    Heb 8:7  For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 
    Heb 8:8  Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH— 
    Heb 8:9  NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD. 
    Heb 8:10  FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. 
    Heb 8:11  NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM. 
    Heb 8:12  FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE." 
    Heb 8:13  In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. 



    Heb 10:16  "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM," 
    Heb 10:17  then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE." 
    Heb 10:18  Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin. 



    Heb 12:22  But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 
    Heb 12:23  to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
    Heb 12:24  to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. 



    Heb 13:20  Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus from the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 

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    The question is, then: Who is the House of Israel today?
    What if WE are Israelites?
    Careful study of Scripture shows that the Lord is a God of order and in His plan for the redemption of His creation, He chose the Israelite peoples. At this stage of history, only He knows exactly who they are. Amos 9:9 The Lord made unconditional promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that their descendants would be “great nations, as many as the sands of the sea, to be His witnesses and be a light to the nations.” Isaiah 43:10, Acts 13:47

    Only the House of Judah [the Jews, a few million] are known at present, the other 10 tribes are lost to general knowledge, as God planned it. All twelve tribes will experience the great awakening as foretold by the prophets. Their blindness will pass away in the spiritual light that will come upon them regarding their identity and their responsibilities as the chosen people of God. Ezekiel 37:14, Romans 9:24-26, 1 Peter 2:9-10
    Suppose you are an Israelite? What of it? If I am saved, what difference will it make?

    The Scriptures speak of far more than the salvation of the individual. Those who accept the free gift of salvation also have the responsibility of spreading the Gospel [good news] of the coming Kingdom of God. This is being done now and will be done on a greater scale by His people when they go back into the Promised Land. Ezekiel 39:27, Revelation 7:1-14

    The Bible presents us with a great volume of information, regarding the origins and history of the various races of mankind, the division of peoples into Israelite {Christian] and Gentile [non Christian] nations. The detailed prophesies of what will happen, then His people’s work for the period leading up to the Return of Jesus and His Millennium Kingdom. Isaiah 49:8

    The truth about the Lord’s plan for all who qualify to be Israelite’s is a thread which runs through the whole Bible, every type, promise, Covenant, and act of God, points to the final fulfilment of His planned establishment of a people, all faithful Christian believers who will live in His Land, as He originally intended. Isaiah 62:1-5, Amos 9:13-15 His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10 and the Light to the nations, Isaiah 49:8

    Isaiah 51:1-2 Listen to Me, all you who follow after the right, all who seek the Lord: consider the Rock from which you were hewn, the quarry from which you came. Consider Abraham, your father and Sarah who gave you birth, when I called him, he was but one. I blessed him and made him many.
    Romans 4:23-24 The words “counted to Abraham as righteousness” apply not only to Abraham, but also to us: our faith, too, is to be counted: our faith in Jesus, raised to life for our justification.

    When we go through Scripture and see the many prophecies about the judgement of the nations and the blessings promised to God’s holy people, who are now every faithful Christian believer: from every race nation and language, we see that most are for the “last days”, that is: the short period leading up to the end of this age and before the commencement of the Millennial Kingdom of Jesus. That is for us, upon whom, as Paul says: the end of the age has come.

    It is evident that God wants us to be aware of coming events, He sent prophet after prophet, telling in great detail how His plans will unfold. The signs of our times, confirm that their fulfilment is imminent.

    The Lord, in His mercy, has given us warning of imminent world changing and shocking happenings. We should be aware of His plans – be ready to rejoice and praise Him for the redemption and restoration of all His people into their heritage of the holy Land.
     
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  18. jgr

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    You seem incapable of understanding the nature and operation of wills and testaments.

    A New Will and Testament is of significance not only for what it contains, but for what it does not contain.

    If a promissory clause in an Old Will and Testament does not re-appear in the New Will and Testament, it is null and void.

    Does Ezekiel 36:1-10, or its equivalent, re-appear in the New Will and Testament?

    It does not.

    It is therefore null and void under the New Will and Testament, which is the only will and testament now in force and effect.

    Its promises and bequests to Israel have been replaced by the New Will and Testament promises and bequests in and to Christ the Heir:

    Luke 22:20
    Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

    2 Corinthians 1:20
    For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

    Hebrews 1:1,2
    1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;


    If you do not believe that a New Will and Testament completely revokes, nullifies, and voids an Old Will and Testament, then you should contact your lawyer or attorney without delay to determine the ultimate fate and destiny of your own temporal estate.

    He or she will set your mind at ease.
     
  19. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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    /nvm
     
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