Fundamentals of the Faith part 18 The coming of Christ to Deliver Israel

[Truth7t7]

This controversy is another example of the unnecessary bickering that goes on far too much on the eschatological forums.
Firstly this is not a salvation issue, we can comfortably wait in faith for what is prophesied here to unfold.
Then, if common sense is employed, it isn't hard to see that some of Ezekiel 47 must be for Eternity, but the rest of Ezekiel 40-48 is for the time prior to Jesus Returning. This is proved by the fact the now Israelites of God, every faithful Christian, will come to live in all of the holy Land, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, they will build a new Temple, Ezekiel 43:10-12, into which the Shekinah glory of God will come, Ezekiel 43:1-4, and their 'ruler' will make offerings the God in it. Ezekiel 46:12 A ruler who has sons and owns property, Ezekiel 46:16, and is elected by the people, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11

THIS is a fundamental truth of Bible prophecy, God's Plan to have His people in His Land, living as He always wanted us to be. Isaiah 49:8-13, Romans 9:24-26
But as Bible prophecy says: this time will not last for very long, as the rest of the world will have a One World Government, Daniel 7:23, and their leader will come to the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, and make a 7 year peace treaty with us. Daniel 9:27 Probably soon after our incredible victory over Gog and Magog. Joel 2:20 Where the Lord proves His power to us, but is not present physically as yet. Ezekiel 38:23
This treaty is a mistake, Isaiah 28:14-15, and only 3 1/2 years later the leader of the OWG conquers Beulah. Zechariah 14:1-2, Revelation 13:5-8
He sits himself in the Temple, 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and this desecration, Matthew 24:15, triggers the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls. Those faithful Christians who refused the accede to this treaty, Daniel 11:32, will be taken to a place of safety on earth, Revelation 12:14, until Jesus Returns, when they will be gathered to Him. 1 Thessalonians 4:17, Matthew 24:31

The temple seen in Ezekiel 40:1-4 through chapter 46 is nothing more that the Zerubbabel 2nd Temple.

In the 25th Year of the Babylonian Captivity Ezekiel received the vision/word from the Lord, "

"Ezekiel Declared This To The House Of Israel In The Captivity"

Ezekiel 47 48 represents the New Heaven, Earth and Jerusalem, Ezekiel 47:12 The River and Tree of Life are present.

Keras you dig desperately to find a earthly Millennial Temple, where Ethnic Jews will be sacrificing goats and lambs upon a altar?

The same Millennialist proclaims Isaiah chapter 65 is Their Millennial Kingdom also?

As Isaiah 65:25 states the wolf and lamb lay together, they shall not hurt or destroy in my Holy Mountain?

Do you really believe a sensible person will buy that Millennialist Malarky?

 

[BABerean2]

You continue to deny the explicit statements of scripture. :et God be true, and every man a liar.

The seed of the woman foretold in Genesis 3:15 is the seed of Abraham through which all the nations would be blessed, in Genesis chapter 12.

A New Covenant was promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13. The first verse of the passage is written in the present tense almost 2,000 years ago.

The angel Gabriel revealed to Daniel the exact time that the New Covenant Messiah would come in Daniel chapter 9.
The covenant with the many in the passage is the same covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28.

Just as foretold in Isaiah chapter 53 He was and is the "suffering servant".

He said on the road to Emmaus that the whole Old Testament is about Him.

Although His Body had been tortured, He was still alive to utter three last words.
He said... "It is finished."

Through His sacrifice at Calvary all races of people on the planet have the opportunity to live forever.

But some tell us no, it was not enough.
They tell us there are promises not fulfilled to one race of people.
They tell us that something went wrong when He was rejected by most of His own people.

They tell us that this one race of people deserve more than the gift of eternal life.

The greatest error of the doctrine is the claim that in the future people from one racial group will come to salvation outside of the Church, which was revealed by the Son of God in Matthew chapter 16.

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[Biblewriter]

The temple seen in Ezekiel 40:1-4 through chapter 46 is nothing more that the Zerubbabel 2nd Temple.

In the 25th Year of the Babylonian Captivity Ezekiel received the vision/word from the Lord, "

"Ezekiel Declared This To The House Of Israel In The Captivity"

Ezekiel 47 48 represents the New Heaven, Earth and Jerusalem, Ezekiel 47:12 The River and Tree of Life are present.

Keras you dig desperately to find a earthly Millennial Temple, where Ethnic Jews will be sacrificing goats and lambs upon a altar?

The same Millennialist proclaims Isaiah chapter 65 is Their Millennial Kingdom also?

As Isaiah 65:25 states the wolf and lamb lay together, they shall not hurt or destroy in my Holy Mountain?

Do you really believe a sensible person will buy that Millennialist Malarky?

You are ignoring a very large number of scriptures including Rev. 20, which explicitly says that the new heavens and new earth come after the reign. Whether the thousand years is literal or typical had zero bearing on this fact. You are denying a very large body of explicitly stated scripture.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Truth7t7]

There will be a millennial reign of Jesus Christ with the saints...but -not the temple at the end of Ezekiel -with its priests that die and leave widows. During the 1000 years time - only the wicked will die. Beasts will get along - and yet that temple time warns not to eat - torn beasts. What beast is tearing up another then? none

There will be no future 1000 millennial reign on this earth.

Jesus will return in fire and judgment, dissolving this earth.

2 peter 3:10, 2 thessalonians 1:7-8, Malachi 3:2, Luke 17:29-30, 1 Corinthians 3:13

 

[Truth7t7]

You are ignoring a very large number of scriptures including Rev. 20, which explicitly says that the new heavens and new earth come after the reign. Whether the thousand years is literal or typical had zero bearing on this fact. You are denying a very large body of explicitly stated scripture.

I sorta thought that about you Writer, as you ignored the river and tree of life in Ezekiel 47:12, as you try to pass this chapter off as a earthly millennial kingdom, where mortal humans are present.

 

[Biblewriter]

I sorta thought that about you Writer, as you ignored the river and tree of life in Ezekiel 47:12, as you try to pass this chapter off as a earthly millennial kingdom, where mortal humans are present.

You are assuming that certain resemblences between the scriptural descriptions prove that they are the same. But you are ignoring the very distinct differences in these same descriptions. You claim that explicit statements contained in these accounts are only symbolic. But you have zero scriptural basis for this claim.

 

[jgr]

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[keras]

Keras you dig desperately to find a earthly Millennial Temple, where Ethnic Jews will be sacrificing goats and lambs upon a altar?

You don't have to look far to see that there will be a new Temple. And the only ethnic Jews who will be around to see it, the remnant who are Christian now.
Who are you to dictate what God requires? He wanted sacrifices before and even though Jesus has provided the final sacrifice for our sins, it is plain that God will still want us to make offerings and thanksgivings, for consecrations and for ritual cleansings: Hebrews 9:13, to Him. Isaiah 56:6-7, Ezekiel 20:40-41

 

[BABerean2]

You don't have to look far to see that there will be a new Temple.

Joh 4:20　 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship."　
Joh 4:21　 Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.　
Joh 4:22　 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.　
Joh 4:23　 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.　
Joh 4:24　 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."　



Act_17:24　 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;



Pe 2:5　 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.　
1Pe 2:6　 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, "BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHIEF CORNERSTONE, ELECT, PRECIOUS, AND HE WHO BELIEVES ON HIM WILL BY NO MEANS BE PUT TO SHAME."　
1Pe 2:7　 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, "THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE,"　
1Pe 2:8　 and "A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE." They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.　
1Pe 2:9　 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;　
1Pe 2:10　 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.　

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[keras]

Pe 2:5　 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.　

Yes BaB, its plain to all of us that we Christians are the spiritual house of God during this era.
This truth des not preclude there being a new physical Temple being built. You have to ignore a whole raft of scripture to deny the existence of a Temple in Jerusalem in the end times and during the Millennium. Just Revelation 11:1 is sufficient proof.

 

[jgr]

You don't have to look far to see that there will be a new Temple. And the only ethnic Jews who will be around to see it, the remnant who are Christian now.
Who are you to dictate what God requires? He wanted sacrifices before and even though Jesus has provided the final sacrifice for our sins, it is plain that God will still want us to make offerings and thanksgivings, for consecrations and for ritual cleansings: Hebrews 9:13, to Him. Isaiah 56:6-7, Ezekiel 20:40-41

Here are Jesus' last most recent comments about sacrifices and offerings:

Hebrews 10
4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says,
“Sacrifice and offering You have not desired,
But a body You have prepared for Me;
6 In whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have taken no pleasure.
7 “Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come
(In the scroll of the book it is written of Me)
To do Your will, O God.’”
8 After saying above, “Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have not desired, nor have You taken pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the Law),
9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first in order to establish the second.
10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

If He never desired or took pleasure in sacrifices and offerings, why would He want to reinstate them?

 

[BABerean2]

Just Revelation 11:1 is sufficient proof.

Where is the temple of God in chapter 11?


Rev 11:19　 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.　


How is earthly Jerusalem described in chapter 11?
Is it described as a "Holy city"?

Rev 11:8　 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
　

There are two Jerusalem's in the Book of Revelation.
One is on earth and the other is in heaven.

 

[keras]

Where is the temple of God in chapter 11?

Revelation 11:2...the Temple court will be given over to the Gentiles for 42 months.....
Will the Gentiles be in heaven?
Jesus said that would be another 'abomination of desolation' in the holy Place. Matthew 24:15 The Holy of Holies is in the Temple. It was where A4E desecrated the 2nd Temple in 167 BC.

Daniel 11:31 Soldiers in the Anti-Christs command will desecrate the Temple, stop the regular offering and will place the abomination that makes desolate.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 ...the Adversary will enthrone himself in God's Temple, claiming to be God.

All these prophesies await fulfilment. Your and JGR's denials of plain Bible truths, is a sad reflection of the confusion and mis-understandings of most Christians in these final few years of this era.

 

[BABerean2]

All these prophesies await fulfilment. Your and JGR's denials of plain Bible truths, is a sad reflection of the confusion and mis-understandings of most Christians in these final few years of this era.

Brother Keras,

You know I love you.

You did not deal with either Revelation 11:8 or Revelation 11:19.

Let us deal with that text before the comments about "a sad reflection".

If you have to ignore those verses to make your viewpoint work, you may need to take another look at our viewpoint.

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[keras]

You did not deal with either Revelation 11:8 or Revelation 11:19.

Verse 8 confirms the earthly scene for all of chapter 11, and verse 19 says the heavenly Sanctuary will be seen when the Seventh Trumpet sounds. Seen from the earth.

It is all the clear statements of the prophets about a new Temple, one greater than all the previous ones, Haggai 2:9, that you ignore, which reflect badly on your credibility.

 

[Truth7t7]

The temple seen in Ezekiel 40:1-4 through chapter 46 is nothing more that the Zerubbabel 2nd Temple.

In the 25th Year of the Babylonian Captivity Ezekiel received the vision/word from the Lord, "

"Ezekiel Declared This To The House Of Israel In The Captivity"

Ezekiel 47 48 represents the New Heaven, Earth and Jerusalem, Ezekiel 47:12 The River and Tree of Life are present.

Keras you dig desperately to find a earthly Millennial Temple, where Ethnic Jews will be sacrificing goats and lambs upon a altar?

The same Millennialist proclaims Isaiah chapter 65 is Their Millennial Kingdom also?

As Isaiah 65:25 states the wolf and lamb lay together, they shall not hurt or destroy in my Holy Mountain?

Do you really believe a sensible person will buy that Millennialist Malarky?

You don't have to look far to see that there will be a new Temple. And the only ethnic Jews who will be around to see it, the remnant who are Christian now.
Who are you to dictate what God requires? He wanted sacrifices before and even though Jesus has provided the final sacrifice for our sins, it is plain that God will still want us to make offerings and thanksgivings, for consecrations and for ritual cleansings: Hebrews 9:13, to Him. Isaiah 56:6-7, Ezekiel 20:40-41

 

[Truth7t7]

Verse 8 confirms the earthly scene for all of chapter 11, and verse 19 says the heavenly Sanctuary will be seen when the Seventh Trumpet sounds. Seen from the earth.

It is all the clear statements of the prophets about a new Temple, one greater than all the previous ones, Haggai 2:9, that you ignore, which reflect badly on your credibility.

When the seventh trump sounds, the world ends, eternity begins

Time no longer, the mystery of God is finished. Revelation 10:6-7

The only thing seen after the 7th trump for the believer is the Eternal New Heaven, Earth, and Jerusalem Revelation 21:1-5