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Featured Fundamentals of the Faith part 18 The coming of Christ to Deliver Israel

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Biblewriter, Nov 5, 2017.

  1. BABerean2

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    The fire does come from the Son, on that day.

    2Th 1:7  And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 
    2Th 1:8  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 
    2Th 1:9  Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 
    2Th 1:10  When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. 

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  2. Truth7t7

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    Amen, Fire will come from the "Son"!
     
  3. keras

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    This is not how Revelation 20:7 tells it.
    This contradicts many verses that plainly say how we Christians will be partakers with Jesus in His Millennial Kingdom. Revelation 5:10, Micah 4:1-5, Zechariah 9:10, Micah 5:4, Isaiah 11:10, +

    Psalms 93:1 The Lord has become King, clothed with Majesty, girded with might. The world is established, it cannot be moved.
    Just this one verse refutes both your ideas!
     
  4. keras

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    If you bothered to read and understand the prophesies, you would know that the Lord sends fire upon His enemies. Amos 1:4, 7,10, 12, 14 and Amos 2:2 & 5.
    Psalms 11:4-6 The Lord is in His holy Temple, His sits on His Throne in heaven....He rains fiery coals and brimstone upon the wicked.
     
  5. klutedavid

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    Hello Biblewriter.

    I take great exception to what you wrote.
    The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the first doctrine, and the primary doctrine, every other doctrine is secondary.

    1 Corinthians 15:3-5
    For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.

    Whether Christ arrives to deliver the physical nation of Israel or not, has nothing to do with the Gospel. Your opinion is irrelevant to the will of God in Christ Jesus.

    In your mind, you have inflated a minor point of the scripture into a foundational doctrine.
     
  6. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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  7. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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  8. Biblewriter

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    Is a full third of the Old Testament "a minor point"? and is the faithfulness of God "a minor point"?
     
  9. jgr

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    Amen, and Happy Birthday, and God's richest blessings, brother BABerean2.
     
  10. Truth7t7

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    None, not one of the scriptures you reference show a earthly millenal kingdom with mortal humans present, as Jesus Christ is upon this earth.

    As previously stated Matthew 25:31-36 shows the seco d advent, final jusgment verses 31-31, the eternal kingdom verse 34, the lake of fire verse 41, and the righteous entering "Eternal Life" in the eternal kingdom verse 46

    You can deny this truth all ya want, I will continue to oppose this false teaching, to the glory of God Almighty.
     
  11. BABerean2

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    Many people miss the fact that some aspect of the kingdom came into being during the 3 1/2 year ministry of Christ, found in the Gospels.

    Did He cast out devils?

    Mat_12:28  But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

    What does the verse above say?


    Luk_16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

    When any person passes from death to life through faith in Christ, as found in John 5:24, they are at that moment pressed into the kingdom of God.


    It is the moment of their regeneration, or being "born again" of the Spirit, as Christ described it in John chapter 3.

    Cornelius was pressed into the kingdom, when he heard Peter preaching the Gospel.

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  12. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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  13. BABerean2

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    Will Christ, who defeated sin and death at Calvary, be officiating the funeral services?

    Since Christ will be on earth, where will the person's soul go when they die?

    Will the lion and the lamb lay down together, but some of the lamb's throats will be cut and their blood used in the temple?

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  14. Truth7t7

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    Simple no brainer logic!

    Keras please answer post #134 above, basic common sense question that plague your eschatology.
     
  15. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    What would be the point?
    You and others have made up your minds, no matter what Bible truth I present, you reject it.
    Also the attitude of moral superiority and arrogance you have, makes you denigrate any reply that conflicts with your fixed beliefs.
    I will take Jesus' advice. Matthew 7:6
     
  16. klutedavid

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    Hello Berean.

    That is one idea to entertain, we will return to sacrifice vast numbers of animals.

    There will be old people and children, I hope I'm not one of those old people.

    The earthly temple will be built, hundreds of millions of Christians, will be trying to get into that inner court of the temple.

    Imagine the queues.
     
  17. Truth7t7

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    Not one place in the scripture is there a future millennial kingdom on this earth found, let alone sacrificing animals blessed by God, as Jesus hangs out on earth with mortal humans.

    Jesus warned agaist this teaching in Matthew 24:23-27

    This teaching is helping to prepare the way for the future man of sin/antichrist, who will be in Jerusalem and proclaim to be Jesus returned.

    "Beware"!!!!!!!!!
     
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