From WOF to simplicity

[Willie T]

That's not the point I was trying to make at all.

If one thinks that God's Holy Spirit is to be passed around like wine, that makes one drunk with holy laughter, roaring like a lion, flipping their head to and fro and other erratic gestures I guess that person may think it was a plight against a preacher.

I don't think that it's necessarily the Holy Spirit he is passing around. I'm not sure he is one of us. His anointing isn't the Holy Spirit I know. People are saved and get the Holy Spirit as a gift from God. It is a very orderly process.

What he is distributing is something many want to experience. Is it godly? I don't know, nor do I want to find out personally.

Spirits can be transferred via touch. Never seen the Holy Spirit when sent from Jesus passed around like a beer. I've never heard of anyone in the Word passing around the Holy Spirit like that.

Next time he comes you show him love and take your family to be anointed. May be a fun family outing and give the grandkids something to talk about at church or ROAR about, unless they raise their leg and pee on a pew first.

Now that is truly edifying.... calling my grandchildren dogs. (or even calling anyone a dog)

I'm pretty sure you are beginning to see the point.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Now that is truly edifying.... calling my grandchildren dogs. (or even calling anyone a dog)

I'm pretty sure you are beginning to see the point.

No. My point was that you were saying that I should show this preacher, RHB some love, instead of talking about his ministry.

I said that why don't you take your family and grandkids to get the 'anointing' from him and show him some love. Then your family and grandkids will have something to talk about at church next week if because of the anointing they get drunk with laughter, roar like a lion, or begin peeing like dogs at church because of their anointing.

See it's the 'anointing' that I don't think is the Holy Spirit. I think you've seen enough of his ministry to know that this is EXACTLY what does happen when he 'anoints'.

You think that's how the sinless, perfect Holy Spirit manifests itself? The part of the trinity that is equal to the Father and Jesus? I think it makes my Lord look like a joke to say that His holiness manifests that way.

That's what I was saying. No to dog. Yes to false prophet.

 

[Truthfrees]

Thy kingdom come Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Any sickness, poverty, oppression, sin, etc, in heaven?

If you accept on earth what isn't accepted in heaven, you accept things that aren't the Lord's will.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Thy kingdom come Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Any sickness, poverty, oppression, sin, etc, in heaven?

If you accept on earth what isn't accepted in heaven, you accept things that aren't the Lord's will.

You are praying that the will of the Father WILL be done on earth. Does that mean that it is? Obviously it is not.

Earth would be heaven otherwise, right? Please think before you respond. kthxs

 

[Truthfrees]

The Lord told us to pray for the LORD'S will to be done on earth as it is in heaven.

It doesn't matter what we think about it.

We agree with HIM, or we make up our own ideas.

I'm sticking with HIM.

 

[Willie T]

TBB, I don't think you can even see, yourself, the hatred you are letting run rampant through your mind when you have no idea what might be going on there.

I went. I saw. It wasn't my thing. So what? None of that justifies your attitude about those people. You simply don't understand what they are experiencing, that's all.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

"For me, I find the home church movement to be the start of an answer to the nonsense around what we once fellowshipped."

Sounds like a PLAN to me, y'all!!! When you've been beaten up in a TOXIC Church (Wof or otherwise), then it's time to step back into a "Reinforcing" situation, and let the "Fresness of the wounds" heal. It MAY take a LONG time. Depends on how bad the situation got before you opted out.

The cousin of a friend in Ohio was part of a WoF "church" in Wapakoneta, OH, and his son got ill. The Church taught him and his wife to trust God for healing, which he did until the child got SO sick, that he ran him to the E-Room - too late.

And the leadership of his WoF "church" came to his house as accused him in front of his family of MURDERING HIS SON with his lack of faith.

It's 35 years later now, and it's only recently becoming possible to talk to him about God again.

I've always "Defaulted" to the Baptist churches as a "Place of rest" when I've needed one. They're generally "Safe havens". But a good "House Church" can be a blessing. Read the Word, and relax from your labors. There's plenty of time to recover.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

"I know a child who had little or no chance from severe head trauma,they said if she lived she would be a vegetable,"

Yup - I knew a Man who, when he was 6, was hit by an Oldsmobile, and the "Rocket" on the hood had deeply pierced his skull, so when the got to Don, Brain matter and blood was seeping out - The cops and the ambulence crew gave him NO hope, but Mom (a Pentecostal lady) had asked God for healing when she got to him on the street.

That evening he was conscious, but paralyzed on the Right side. He told the doctors that God would heal him, grabbed his paralyzed arm with his good one and waved it around to show 'em. The next morning he wasn't paralyzed any more, and a week later he was home and normal - except for that hole in his skull that he had until the day he died - about 50 years later (2nd Heart attack took him out). HE was a Painter for Caterpillar, and if you asked him what his favorite color was, He's tell you "anything but yellow". Don was a Biker, and looked the part. He didn't say much, but when He did, it was almost always "Spiritually Significant".

Of Course "WoF", and their methodologies hadn't been invented yet. And 'ol Pentecostal folks "Just trusted God", and believed that "Fervent prayer" accomplished much.

 

[Alive_Again]

See it's the 'anointing' that I don't think is the Holy Spirit. I think you've seen enough of his ministry to know that this is EXACTLY what does happen when he 'anoints'.

You think that's how the sinless, perfect Holy Spirit manifests itself? The part of the trinity that is equal to the Father and Jesus? I think it makes my Lord look like a joke to say that His holiness manifests that way.

That's what I was saying. No to dog. Yes to false prophet.

Wow! Rodney's a good one and a lot of wonderful work is connected to him. the anointing is real and although HE goes beyond what we think (it's His business), you just have to learn to flow. First you have to get Spirit filled otherwise you won't recognize it.

Your far better off not doing the false prophet thing and reserving judgment.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

TBB, I don't think you can even see, yourself, the hatred you are letting run rampant through your mind when you have no idea what might be going on there.

I went. I saw. It wasn't my thing. So what? None of that justifies your attitude about those people. You simply don't understand what they are experiencing, that's all.

To be fair, WillieT, I do owe you an apology. I was harsh in what I said to you personally. I am sorry.

As far as RHB, I won't say anything more. I do have the right to my opinion. I'm not backing down from my position with that, however I'm agreeing that we disagree and letting us move on.

 

[contango]

Thy kingdom come Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Any sickness, poverty, oppression, sin, etc, in heaven?

If you accept on earth what isn't accepted in heaven, you accept things that aren't the Lord's will.

There's no sorrow in heaven, no pain and no death. So does that mean if I step in front of a fast-moving train I won't be killed or even injured because those things aren't God's will? Does it mean when the inevitable happens my wife won't feel any sorrow for my passing because that's not God's will?

This sort of teaching is good for tickling ears but frankly I find it hard to see it as anything other than spiritual fornication. The marriage of the Lamb hasn't taken place yet.

 

[contango]

"I know a child who had little or no chance from severe head trauma,they said if she lived she would be a vegetable,"

Yup - I knew a Man who, when he was 6, was hit by an Oldsmobile, and the "Rocket" on the hood had deeply pierced his skull, so when the got to Don, Brain matter and blood was seeping out - The cops and the ambulence crew gave him NO hope, but Mom (a Pentecostal lady) had asked God for healing when she got to him on the street.

That evening he was conscious, but paralyzed on the Right side. He told the doctors that God would heal him, grabbed his paralyzed arm with his good one and waved it around to show 'em. The next morning he wasn't paralyzed any more, and a week later he was home and normal - except for that hole in his skull that he had until the day he died - about 50 years later (2nd Heart attack took him out). HE was a Painter for Caterpillar, and if you asked him what his favorite color was, He's tell you "anything but yellow". Don was a Biker, and looked the part. He didn't say much, but when He did, it was almost always "Spiritually Significant".

Of Course "WoF", and their methodologies hadn't been invented yet. And 'ol Pentecostal folks "Just trusted God", and believed that "Fervent prayer" accomplished much.

I don't think anybody is disputing that God can heal and that sometimes God chooses to heal.

The point I think people are trying to make is that God doing something some of the time doesn't mandate God to do that same thing all of the time. Sooner or later we all have to die. Frankly if I'm going to lose someone dear to me I'd rather have a fair chance to say goodbye to them. If we did away with sickness it would be pretty chaotic with perfectly healthy people just dropping dead just because their time was up.

 

[Willie T]

To be fair, WillieT, I do owe you an apology. I was harsh in what I said to you personally. I am sorry.

As far as RHB, I won't say anything more. I do have the right to my opinion. I'm not backing down from my position with that, however I'm agreeing that we disagree and letting us move on.

Thank you for the apology. But I understand. I'm abrasive, and if I reacted every time my blunt approach to things pushed someone to doing something they regretted, that's all I'd be doing......... just reacting.

Yes, I have been to at least a half-dozen of these preachers you wouldn't like (our denomination was founded by one), but that does not mean I see the point of much of what they do. But neither can I say it is not of God. As Gamaliel said, "I have to be careful that I don't find myself fighting against God", just because I may lack the ability to see something they see.

Either way, it doesn't affect my belief unless I choose for it to.

 

[now faith]

"I know a child who had little or no chance from severe head trauma,they said if she lived she would be a vegetable,"

Yup - I knew a Man who, when he was 6, was hit by an Oldsmobile, and the "Rocket" on the hood had deeply pierced his skull, so when the got to Don, Brain matter and blood was seeping out - The cops and the ambulence crew gave him NO hope, but Mom (a Pentecostal lady) had asked God for healing when she got to him on the street.

That evening he was conscious, but paralyzed on the Right side. He told the doctors that God would heal him, grabbed his paralyzed arm with his good one and waved it around to show 'em. The next morning he wasn't paralyzed any more, and a week later he was home and normal - except for that hole in his skull that he had until the day he died - about 50 years later (2nd Heart attack took him out). HE was a Painter for Caterpillar, and if you asked him what his favorite color was, He's tell you "anything but yellow". Don was a Biker, and looked the part. He didn't say much, but when He did, it was almost always "Spiritually Significant".

Of Course "WoF", and their methodologies hadn't been invented yet. And 'ol Pentecostal folks "Just trusted God", and believed that "Fervent prayer" accomplished much.

Yep has nothing to do with any denomination,just faith in God.

 

[now faith]

I don't think anybody is disputing that God can heal and that sometimes God chooses to heal.

The point I think people are trying to make is that God doing something some of the time doesn't mandate God to do that same thing all of the time. Sooner or later we all have to die. Frankly if I'm going to lose someone dear to me I'd rather have a fair chance to say goodbye to them. If we did away with sickness it would be pretty chaotic with perfectly healthy people just dropping dead just because their time was up.

So God is not true to his word nor is Christ sacrifice relevant.

Matthew 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

Who would be our in this verse you never no who our is do you since by some greater understanding God is not true to everyone.

This verse is repeated 3 times in the Bible,can you believe that Christ took on our infirmity?

Is the Bible false when it says all the promises of God are yes and amen?

If he heals sometimes does God respect some more than others,and faith is of no use to some?
Cause he will not keep his word anyway.

This is no grey area either you believe or you don't.

So instead of what Mark 11 says to believe when you pray,just pray twinkle twinkle little star
I'm not healed so far.

Sometimes is not God sometimes is A God in someone's opinion.

 

[now faith]

There's no sorrow in heaven, no pain and no death. So does that mean if I step in front of a fast-moving train I won't be killed or even injured because those things aren't God's will? Does it mean when the inevitable happens my wife won't feel any sorrow for my passing because that's not God's will?

This sort of teaching is good for tickling ears but frankly I find it hard to see it as anything other than spiritual fornication. The marriage of the Lamb hasn't taken place yet.

Does that mean you have a choice for salvation,all in heaven are saved.

Thy will be done.

Can we be outside God's will?

You know this prayer was prior to the cross as well,through Christ we know God's will.

It's not rocket science that God's will is none should suffer Hell,yet they will.

It's the individual who misses the will of God not God.

Thy kingdom come,yes it has through Christ we are Sons of God part of the kingdom.

We have direct access to God the father in Christ.

Tell me that is not heaven on earth.

 

[hopeinGod]

Just how are we -- those of us who see the evil that is WOF -- help to deprogram those who simply refuse to see the lie behind the name-it-and-claim-it philosophy of man, which, if the student were to investigate, would discover its origins in Phineas Quimby's writings, from which Mary Baker Eddy, the founder of Christian Science, plagarized her nonsense? Illness is principally an illusion, a lie, to such adherents. The truth to these followers of Hagin and others is that the sufferer is really healed, even though he/she still takes whatever medicines were prescribed for conditions that are clearly proven on MRIs and xrays.

 

[Truthfrees]

The lies about wof are propagated by those who don't know what they're talking about.

"These speak evil of whatever they do not know." - Jude 1:10

I wouldn't go back to non-wof religiosity.

It's dangerous to disregard the good words of the Lord and teach others to do the same.

You set people up to believe the Lord's will is for HIS children to accept evil and destruction in their life.

 

[Truthfrees]

The only ones talking greed and carnality are a handful of non-wof which makes me wonder what's on their heart.

"Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." - Matthew 12:34

"In whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things." - Romans 2:1

 

[Willie T]

Gosh....... I wonder what it was called when the woman said the words of faith, "If I can just touch the hem of His garment."

What was it Jesus said healed her? What was that again?