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[IamRedeemed]

I find it ironic that the people who find themselves having fallen short of what they are saying and did not extend to their brothers what it is they are now wanting to come their way, and not finding it readily are also the first to say something like "love never keeps a record of wrongs." to dismiss themselves from any accountability, introspection and possible repentance.

Why is that?

Looks like it is appearing that I am not be considered "Conservative" among my peers.

"A pharisee is hard on others and easy on himself, but a spiritual man is easy on others and hard on himself." Tozer, A.W.

There is a fine balance between consersative and liberalism. Both are wrong. What's right is in the Word of God through the Holy Spirit. Everything is allowable but not everything is allowable. Hate what is wrong while at the same time "Love never keeps a record of wrongs".

I love everything that God has created but hated what Satan has corrupted.

 

[Nadiine]

The rule makers, the guardians of orthodoxy. Yup, they got told off a bit by Jesus.

No, they ADDED laws - WE UPHOLD THE ONES JESUS GAVE.
AGain, more intolerance - your disdain of conservatism is showing, and you may want to either stop your little digs that are becomming more obvious and rude or change your little Mood symbol from tolerant, becuz your posts are showing you're anything BUT tolerant.

What is toleration?? It's accepting those you disagree with - not attacking their beliefs & worldviews; accepting them as they are for who they are.

So far your tolerant tag there is hypocritical at best.
Try to be more loving like a Christian should be - and accept ALL CHRISTIANS like you expect everyone else to.
If YOU can't do it, how do expect others to?

 

[The Bellman]

Wow, imagine that, an Atheist explaining the doctrinal truths about God.
I learn SOOO much around here

Sarcasm does not become you. I did not explain any doctrinal truths about God, nor attempt to. I explained something about human beings and our fallibility which you seem to not know, at least in regard to yourself and your interpretation of the scriptures.

Some people just hate conservatives - and they attack any chance they get and nothing you say will cause them to like you. I've seen it often - most only tolerate the liberal christians than the conservatives.

The only people I've seen offering any intolerance in this entire thread is you and people agreeing with you. It's you who won't tolerate any doctrinal differences; it's you who believe you have THE TRUTH and anyone who disagrees, in any measure, is wrong; it's you who are so terrified of anyone being able to come in and disagree with you.

Don't call people intolerant before you take a good look at yourself.

So far your tolerant tag there is hypocritical at best.
Try to be more loving like a Christian should be - and accept ALL CHRISTIANS like you expect everyone else to.
If YOU can't do it, how do expect others to?

That you can say this to someone else just amazes me.

 

[JimfromOhio]

I find it ironic that the people who find themselves having fallen short of what they are saying and did not extend to their brothers what it is they are now wanting to come their way, and not finding it readily are also the first to say something like "love never keeps a record of wrongs." to dismiss themselves from any accountability, introspection and possible repentance.

Why is that?

Accountability involves "one anothers" in terms of those with similar beliefs. We all should desire accountability with others. This is where Paul write in Colossians 3:13 "Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you." Also in Ephesians 4:2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Galatians 6:2 Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

What kind of "accountability" are you expecting from Erwin? Or any of us?

 

[JimfromOhio]

Well.. my medicine is affecting me. I am heading to bed. Night.

 

[Sitswithamouse]

There are some 40 apocalyptic books from this era but this was the only one that made it into the Bible. If the author was writing about the hated Roman Empire, it could be that the seven heads of the beast meant the seven emperors. The mark of the beast could be the head of the emperor on the coins. The dreaded 666 very likely represented three letters indicating the Emperor Nero – representing letters by numbers was, and is, common in Hebrew. If so, instead of being a description of a world in chaos, it could be seen as a book of morality, optimism and faith.


Let's hope the End Timers start to see it like that before their actions really do bring about the end of the world.



Not my words exactly, but it is how I perceive the end times scenario.

Does anyone have a fire extinguisher?

 

[Nadiine]

There are some 40 apocalyptic books from this era but this was the only one that made it into the Bible. If the author was writing about the hated Roman Empire, it could be that the seven heads of the beast meant the seven emperors. The mark of the beast could be the head of the emperor on the coins. The dreaded 666 very likely represented three letters indicating the Emperor Nero – representing letters by numbers was, and is, common in Hebrew. If so, instead of being a description of a world in chaos, it could be seen as a book of morality, optimism and faith.

Let's hope the End Timers start to see it like that before their actions really do bring about the end of the world.

Not my words exactly, but it is how I perceive the end times scenario.

Does anyone have a fire extinguisher?

Let me get this straight then, you have a view on "the end times scenario", but only OURS is wrong, and yours is right.
You cannot prove yours is correct and neither can we UNTIL WE SEE WHEN HE COMES BACK.

Do you happen to know when Christ is returning or how much longer He'll be? Neither do we. We already know God's timing is often much later than we expect - to Him, 1 day is like 1000 yrs.

Using "end timers"?? Don't you think that's a bit rude or offensive? Goes right along w/ the fire extinguisher blurb - Might as well say "you people".

You cannot prove that us "end timers" are even wrong.
In fact, many have predicted the news events we see today (ie. one world religion and govt., Russia and Iran partnering, etc.) from the Bible long before they were facts.
There IS a chip literally made that is injected in the hand or forehead! Mock all you want, but the technology came and it's actually REAL. It sounded alot hokier 15 yrs. ago!

I don't go as far to say that each prophecy person is 100% right in all they've seen - no one has it 100% IMHO. I don't either! But I'm not blind to what we DO see in front of us today and what's in that Bible.

We say the signs are fulfilled and Jesus could appear at any time - CAN'T HE APPEAR AT ANY TIME? yes He can!

And again, not one of us knows when our time here on earth is over with - so we're called to be READY to meet the Lord at any time- at all times. Just like they were told in their day.
Signs or not, He can arrive at any time.

 

[Sitswithamouse]

Let me get this straight then, you have a view on "the end times scenario", but only OURS is wrong, and yours is right.
You cannot prove yours is correct and neither can we UNTIL WE SEE WHEN HE COMES BACK.

Do you happen to know when Christ is returning or how much longer He'll be? Neither do we. We already know God's timing is often much later than we expect - to Him, 1 day is like 1000 yrs.

Using "end timers"?? Don't you think that's a bit rude or offensive? Goes right along w/ the fire extinguisher blurb - Might as well say "you people".

You cannot prove that us "end timers" are even wrong.
In fact, many have predicted the news events we see today (ie. one world religion and govt., Russia and Iran partnering, etc.) from the Bible long before they were facts.
There IS a chip literally made that is injected in the hand or forehead! Mock all you want, but the technology came and it's actually REAL. It sounded alot hokier 15 yrs. ago!

I don't go as far to say that each prophecy person is 100% right in all they've seen - no one has it 100% IMHO. I don't either! But I'm not blind to what we DO see in front of us today and what's in that Bible.

We say the signs are fulfilled and Jesus could appear at any time - CAN'T HE APPEAR AT ANY TIME? yes He can!

And again, not one of us knows when our time here on earth is over with - so we're called to be READY to meet the Lord at any time- at all times. Just like they were told in their day.
Signs or not, He can arrive at any time.

I respect yor feelings and beliefs and you are entitled to them.
Maybe I came over abit harsh with my statement, and yes That is my belief about revelation. I don't think it pertains to the coming of the anti-christ . It may have been written in a cryptic manner for the christians at the time of the persecutions to give them hope for the future, that Rome was crumbling.

I didn't say that others views were wrong, I just look at this vision and it makes more sense.

I don't have all the answers, and neither does anyone else.

As for the fire extinguisher gag, I was awaiting being flamed for my statement.

I hope this clears up a few things.

 

[Nadiine]

I respect yor feelings and beliefs and you are entitled to them.
Maybe I came over abit harsh with my statement, and yes That is my belief about revelation. I don't think it pertains to the coming of the anti-christ . It may have been written in a cryptic manner for the christians at the time of the persecutions to give them hope for the future, that Rome was crumbling.

I didn't say that others views were wrong, I just look at this vision and it makes more sense.

I don't have all the answers, and neither does anyone else.

As for the fire extinguisher gag, I was awaiting being flamed for my statement.

I hope this clears up a few things.

Thank you for your post - yes it does clear some things up.

I fully understand how we can view things differently with prophecy - and I won't go into it all here, that's a thread all it's own (& I'm not one to debate prophecy).

My main concern was the tone I was perceiving as if being ridiculed for believing what I consider a legitimate view held by many Christians.
Thanks again,

 

[cygnusx1]

Its not about winning or about who is "right" but rather about love because "love" doesn't discriminate between believers and unbelievers. It is better to judge ourselves before somebody else does it because the criticism of others is not always accurate but God sometimes WILL criticizes us through other people (believers and unbelievers). "Each one should test his own actions. . . ."(Galatians 6:4a).

that's NOT quite true jim.

there is a sense in which it does discriminate , this is not an all or nothing approach .


As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith. Gal 6:10

 

[cygnusx1]

Or both.

Visions are tricky things.

you can say that again , some are ever changing !

 

[meh]

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