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[JimfromOhio]

Ok, and I can give you dozens of "illustrations" about protecting the sheep and the plethora of warnings the same Bible gives of the damages that false teachers/prophets bring to souls too.

BOTH are true - we don't REMOVE one principle to embrace another. Compromise to 'win souls' is not God's way and never has been.

I never said or even implied that 'everyone' shouldn't be able to join this site. I welcome everyone! The issue here is WHO IS POSTING AS A CHRISTIAN AS PER THE SITE'S DEFINITION OF ONE.
If you leave it wide open (as Erwin has), wait for the eventual infestation of false teachers coming with another gospel.
His change is only 6 days old, give it some time.


Yes, well people here online can't "see" me day to day except to see my posts... (unless if they do see me, I don't have a "Nadiine from Foru.ms" tshirt to announce myself)


Again, your generalities don't fit my position - you can preach True things all day long, but they don't apply to what my argument is as if I'm NOT doing what I need to be doing to witness God or something.??


Would God like compromising one principle to fulfill another?
I had been asking for Erwin to post a definition for this site, and as of just an hour ago, I found he has now.
I merely posted them here for everyone to see.
Unfortunately, it doesn't solve any of my concerns (if anything, it raises MORE).

I am exercising my spiritual virtues - in asking that he not COMPROMISE one of God's key principles in order to "reach people" - in doing so, he may well have done more harm than good in bringing them to a place with more danger than there was prior to 7-7-7.
(WHICH ISN'T TO SAY NO GOOD CAN COME).

We had seen Erwin make a few changes for the better TOPICALLY, so I continued pushing for the important change. I don't regret that either.
God holds me responsible for what I say openly. Now that Erwin's done changing anything, I find no more need to ask for change - Lord knows it's already posted 400 times if he needs to hear me.

I at least think that's better than if I just bailed CF in anger and didn't bother speaking out for change.

You have that freedom to express an opinion. Every Christian must decide whether they will use their liberty to decide on their doctrinal beliefs. Spiritual liberty means the freedom to be all that we were designed to be, but this is not a freedom that is without restrictions or responsibilities. Grace is about loving other people that we have the freedom to do so but at the same time, respect how they practice their beliefs.

 

[Nadiine]

You are such a wonderful follower of Christ. I love you for that. Is it necessary for us to convince anyone ? Is it our mission to do that as Christians ? We can not enter others minds a push some switches and make it happen. We can love each other and in doing so bring the word home.

Sometimes words take a long time to sink in so to speak. At least with me they do.I find my best thinking is done during the quiet moments when we consider all the wonderful facts presented to us. An instant win in anything , even argument, never lasts. We need to keep driving the word home but we do need to be careful not to run them over with it while doing that also. You''re the best. God Bless ...

Sun

I agree with that Sun, I purposely posted that I had "exhaustively explained my positions ad nauseum", I know I did and it was on purpose.
I saw that Erwin WAS listening and did make some topical changes... hey, throw me a bone and I'll keep plugging away like a pit bull. LOL
It's just my personality when I think something is right or important

As soon as I saw the link (an hr ago) to Erwin's new definition that was added, there was no more point to push anymore.
And I won't - I'll discuss it if it comes up in discussions, but not address Erwin about it here anymore as if to push for it. So be it.

Thanks Sun, God bless U

 

[tkoman]

Look how quiet the thread got. When CaDan speaks people listen !

Only kidding I hope you realize that?

No seriously. We do. I mean, just try staring into his glasses. Try it. I dare you . . .

Mmmm . . . rainbows . . . .

 

[Sitswithamouse]

Thankfully, we know the end of the book!! (By Nadiine)
(sorry , can't get the hang of the new quotes system)
But, was it written about end times for us, or written for the christians under Nero?

 

[CaDan]

Thankfully, we know the end of the book!! (By Nadiine)
(sorry , can't get the hang of the new quotes system)
But, was it written about end times for us, or written for the christians under Nero?

Or both.

Visions are tricky things.

 

[Nadiine]

Or both.

Visions are tricky things.

& so's the obvious TRUTH for some

 

[CaDan]

& so's the obvious TRUTH for some

"You have confused the true and the real."
~ George Stanley

 

[jameseb]

Jhn 15:19 "If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.

On a sidenote, I've always been fond of that verse.

 

[tkoman]

"Veritas? Quid es veritas?"

 

[kiwimac]

Or both.

Visions are tricky things.

Personally, I hold to the opinion that it was a book written for its time. That is the apocalyptic vision it portrays was for the comfort of the Christians being persecuted then. Attempts to force various historical times into Revelations have always failed simply because it is an historical book not a prophetic one.

 

[JimfromOhio]

You will get along well with the world if people don't know you are a Christian. Our relationship with other Christians also has to do with evangelism. As Jesus said, "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another" (John 13:35). Love is the substance of our witness to the world. Understanding what hating what God hates, loving what God loves. Our single greatest testimony to the world is that we love each other.

In what "method" that will keep us from compromises with the world? Romans 12 "Be not conformed to this world." James 1:27, "Friendship with the world is enmity against God." 1 John 2:15, "Love not the world neither the things that are in the world."

We are to maintain personal and relational integrity according to God's standards, not the world's.

 

[Nadiine]

Personally, I hold to the opinion that it was a book written for its time. That is the apocalyptic vision it portrays was for the comfort of the Christians being persecuted then. Attempts to force various historical times into Revelations have always failed simply because it is an historical book not a prophetic one.

Some people will just have to be surprised while some are looking and expecting Him soon.
It's my opinion that many who try to push God's return (or deny it) are the ones that aren't spiritually READY to Meet Him face to face.

We're to be ready at all times becuz no date is set in scripture.

**not to mention, we don't have one more minute assured us in this life, we should always be ready to meet the Lord

 

[Nadiine]

You will get along well with the world if people don't know you are a Christian. Our relationship with other Christians also has to do with evangelism. As Jesus said, "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another" (John 13:35). Love is the substance of our witness to the world. Understanding what hating what God hates, loving what God loves. Our single greatest testimony to the world is that we love each other.

In what "method" that will keep us from compromises with the world? Romans 12 "Be not conformed to this world." James 1:27, "Friendship with the world is enmity against God." 1 John 2:15, "Love not the world neither the things that are in the world."

We are to maintain personal and relational integrity according to God's standards, not the world's.

Well then I have to wonder why Jesus used a whip & turned over tables of the moneychangers.

Then rebuked Pharisees & scribes... told us when to stop casting pearls (to those who trample the truth continually - then rend us personally)...

If you look into it, there's numerous scriptures that tell us when to use rebuke and shake dust off our sandals (preferably strappies).
So love yes, but there comes a time we're to use rebuke when it's called for.

Some people just hate conservatives - and they attack any chance they get and nothing you say will cause them to like you. I've seen it often - most only tolerate the liberal christians than the conservatives.
I'd offer why, but I see no point in that.

 

[kiwimac]

Well then I have to wonder why Jesus used a whip & turned over tables of the moneychangers.

Then rebuked Pharisees & scribes... told us when to stop casting pearls (to those who trample the truth continually - then rend us personally)...

If you look into it, there's numerous scriptures that tell us when to use rebuke and shake dust off our sandals (preferably strappies).
So love yes, but there comes a time we're to use rebuke when it's called for.

Some people just hate conservatives - and they attack any chance they get and nothing you say will cause them to like you. I've seen it often - most only tolerate the liberal christians than the conservatives.
I'd offer why, but I see no point in that.

Jn 3:16 For God had such love for the world that he gave his only Son, so that whoever has faith in him may not come to destruction but have eternal life.

Jn 3:17 God did not send his Son into the world to be judge of the world; he sent him so that the world might have salvation through him.

 

[jameseb]

Jn 3:16 For God had such love for the world that he gave his only Son, so that whoever has faith in him may not come to destruction but have eternal life.

Jn 3:17 God did not send his Son into the world to be judge of the world; he sent him so that the world might have salvation through him.

"Conservative" Christians adhere to to those verses too. Is it your assertion, by virtue of your post, that conservative Christians don't?

 

[Nadiine]

Jn 3:16 For God had such love for the world that he gave his only Son, so that whoever has faith in him may not come to destruction but have eternal life.

Jn 3:17 God did not send his Son into the world to be judge of the world; he sent him so that the world might have salvation through him.

K, here we go with "my verse CANCELS out yours". Are MY verses false and YOURS true?? or are mine true and yours false? Was Jesus Loving when He rebuked? or not?

THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER TO GIVE THE FULL TRUTH. It's teaching that both kindness and harshness are BOTH used depending on the circumstance or people.
The bible warrents BOTH - unless disciplining a child amounts to evil and unloving too?

 

[CaDan]

Then rebuked Pharisees & scribes... told us when to stop casting pearls (to those who trample the truth continually - then rend us personally)...

The rule makers, the guardians of orthodoxy. Yup, they got told off a bit by Jesus.

 

[jameseb]

The rule makers, the guardians of orthodoxy. Yup, they got told off a bit by Jesus.

Haven't you taken part in making rules here too?

"Guardians of orthodoxy"? Hmm. I'm thinking "Guardians of legalese" is more fitting.

By the way, just seeing you has the Ramones playing in my head again right now.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Well then I have to wonder why Jesus used a whip & turned over tables of the moneychangers.

Then rebuked Pharisees & scribes... told us when to stop casting pearls (to those who trample the truth continually - then rend us personally)...

If you look into it, there's numerous scriptures that tell us when to use rebuke and shake dust off our sandals (preferably strappies).
So love yes, but there comes a time we're to use rebuke when it's called for.

Some people just hate conservatives - and they attack any chance they get and nothing you say will cause them to like you. I've seen it often - most only tolerate the liberal christians than the conservatives.
I'd offer why, but I see no point in that.

Looks like it is appearing that I am not be considered "Conservative" among my peers.

"A pharisee is hard on others and easy on himself, but a spiritual man is easy on others and hard on himself." Tozer, A.W.

There is a fine balance between consersative and liberalism. Both are wrong. What's right is in the Word of God through the Holy Spirit. Everything is allowable but not everything is allowable. Hate what is wrong while at the same time "Love never keeps a record of wrongs".

I love everything that God has created but hated what Satan has corrupted.

 

[CaDan]

Haven't you taken part in making rules here too?

"Guardians of orthodoxy"? Hmm. I'm thinking "Guardians of legalese" is more fitting.

Yup. I tried. I have a lot of hypotheses about what went wrong with that project, but nothing I would really dignify with the title of theory.

By the way, just seeing you has the Ramones playing in my head again right now.

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