Freemasonry. Separating myth from fiction.

[Skip Sampson]

All it means is that those who are not Masons do not have the knowledge that Masons have.

Oh, I think it's far more than just that, as I've explained in this thread: http://www.christianforums.com/t7783181/

Freemasonry describes God as the one true God, Creator of the Universe. By design and generally speaking, it really doesn't go into any further definition.

Does Freemasonry expect its candidates to agree with that statement prior to acceptance? Cordially, Skip.

 

[morningstar2651]

So your refusal to answer my questions is because you believe I don't want my own questions answered? Pretty lame excuse, I'd say. Cordially, Skip.

I wouldn't answer the questions of someone who was obviously JAQing off.

 

[circuitrider]

I've not heard the term before Morningstar, but it fits.

Anti-masons troll forums and ask questions but usually feel that they already have all the answers. So they are asking questions not for knowledge but to trap a Mason into saying something they want them to say, to confirm their own deluded opinions, or as I see happening here on Christianforum, to derail anyone form seriously talking about the topic outside of their anti-masonic purposes.

Frankly as strict as this forum is about most of its behavioral rules I'm surprised they allow this kind of trolling. It just show that no matter how solid the rules someone can manage to be a trouble maker anyway.

 

[americanvet]

I wouldn't answer the questions of someone who was obviously JAQing off.

Never heard of it. While I don't approve of the name it does seem to be a perfect fit.

 

[ChristianMasonJim]

Oh, I think it's far more than just that, as I've explained in this thread: http://www.christianforums.com/t7783181/

Where any conclusions remain predictably split across one's view of Freemasonry with Freemasons understanding and accepting the word to mean something far simpler and far less innocuous than the anti-Masonic proponents assert.

Does Freemasonry expect its candidates to agree with that statement prior to acceptance? Cordially, Skip.

Does Freemasonry? I cannot speak or comment on all of Freemasonry since specific requirements are left to individual jurisdictions which can vary greatly. But generally speaking, when one petitions a regular lodge, in most cases, they agree in the existence of one Supreme Being, the definition of which being left largely undefined.

 

[Simpleman25]

I wouldn't answer the questions of someone who was obviously JAQing off.

Awesome observation!

If this doesn't clearly describe emfj and e511, nothing else will.

 

[Skip Sampson]

I wouldn't answer the questions of someone who was obviously JAQing off.

A subtle difference you must have missed: the Masons on this forum asked for questions. Cordially, Skip.

 

[Skip Sampson]

It is obvious that the ritual of Freemasonry is rooted in Judeo-Christian scripture and teachings, and they inspire such elements as the Hiramic legend.

Just how does the Judeo-Christian scripture and teachings inspire the Hiramic legend? Cordially, Skip.

 

[ChristianMasonJim]

Just how does the Judeo-Christian scripture and teachings inspire the Hiramic legend? Cordially, Skip.

Well, there's the time period, there's King Solomon's Temple, there are several Biblical characters, there are Jewish traditions, there is adventure--the list goes on. It's very obvious to me that the mythology and legends of Freemasonry are at least in part inspired or influenced by the Bible.

 

[Simpleman25]

Well, there's the time period, there'poo King Solomon's Temple, there are several Biblical characters, there are Jewish traditions, there is adventure--the list goes on. It's very obvious to me that the mythology and legends of Freemasonry are at least in part inspired or influenced by the Bible.

Hello brotherJim,

Not sure if you know the history that surrounds the person you're conversing with or not. He is a long standing anti mason. He's part of what I call the cult of EMFJ.

If you care to join, there is a group of us masons on this site. Feel free to private message me for the details.

 

[ChristianMasonJim]

Hello brotherJim,

Not sure if you know the history that surrounds the person you're conversing with or not. He is a long standing anti mason. He's part of what I call the cult of EMFJ.

If you care to join, there is a group of us masons on this site. Feel free to private message me for the details.

I know his history quite well. I wasted, I mean spent a couple hundred posts going back and forth with him, until I ultimately realized that no matter what I or any Freemason says, as long as we claim to be Freemasons he will never accept us as Christians. I understand and accept that. Now, all my interactions with him are pure sport and friendly diversion.

 

[apache1]

My take on Masonry.... I don't really have one, personally don't care one way or other. I have numerous friends and acquaintances that are, and know of some that try to diss them, as in being a religious or satanic cult or mafia-type underworld or whatever. One thing I will say is I really admire the Shriners, especially their hospitals, one of my adopted children many years ago was taken care of royally and with utmost care at one of their children's hospitals.

 

[Skip Sampson]

Simpleman:
You made this statement on your private forum:

They won't come over and debate us on even ground. They prefer to do it where they have an upper hand. When will these people ever meet us on the level?

I'll take you up on that challenge. Pick a forum you feel comfortable in, and let's debate. You can even pick the topics. Cordially, Skip.

 

[Simpleman25]

Simpleman:
You made this statement on your private forum:I'll take you up on that challenge. Pick a forum you feel comfortable in, and let's debate. You can even pick the topics. Cordially, Skip.

As usual you took something I said and totally twisted it to fit into what you wanted it to mean. My comments were directed at one group in particular. They were not directed towards you or your e511 cult.

I've attempted numerous times to engage you in an honest and open debate. Since you have failed numerous times to remain honest, why would this time be any different? You continue to twist and contort words to fit whatever agenda you're pushing. Even when confronted with facts, you fail to accept what goes against this anti mason crusade you're on.

 

[Skip Sampson]

this anti mason crusade you're on.

Two things: 1) it's not a crusade; 2) it's anti-Masonry. Cordially, Skip.

 

[Simpleman25]

I disagree on both points.

It's noticeable that you once again skipped over the most important parts of my post.

 

[now faith]

Ok, just clicked over 30 pages of post.

Granted could not stand to read the endless banter,since banter is presumptuous in nature.

I may have missed it,but has there been any info on the origins of the Masons?

One comment was some were from the Bible.

Do the free masons trace back to Cain,in working with metals?

 

[Albion]

Ok, just clicked over 30 pages of post.

Granted could not stand to read the endless banter,since banter is presumptuous in nature.

I may have missed it,but has there been any info on the origins of the Masons?

One comment was some were from the Bible.

Do the free masons trace back to Cain,in working with metals?

No one knows the origins of Freemasonry, and Masons themselves do not have any particular theory on that.

It is most likely that the fraternity is an outgrowth or extension of the Medieval guilds of stoneworkers. There is a lot of Biblical symbolism used in Masonry, but there is no actual known, historical, connection to such as the building of Solomon's temple...and absolutely nothing relating to Cain.

 

[Simpleman25]

Ok, just clicked over 30 pages of post.

Granted could not stand to read the endless banter,since banter is presumptuous in nature.

I may have missed it,but has there been any info on the origins of the Masons?

One comment was some were from the Bible.

Do the free masons trace back to Cain,in working with metals?

There are two types of masons. Speculative and operative masons. Operative masons are those that actually worked as freemasons.

 

[ChristianMasonJim]

Two things: 1) it's not a crusade; 2) it's anti-Masonry. Cordially, Skip.

Since a Mason is part of Masonry, and you are anti-Masonry, then you are therefore certainly anti-Mason. But that has been covered elsewhere. You also claim that a professed Mason cannot be a Christian. But that has been covered elsewhere. And you also agree with claims that Freemasons worship demon spirits. But that has been covered elsewhere. Nothing new to see here.