Satan and demons do this to torment a persons mind. A lot of people deal with this.
Or, more often, it's the result of a misfiring brain.
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Satan and demons do this to torment a persons mind. A lot of people deal with this.
Does it ever make you feel like you want to think them and nothing else??? That's the way it feels for me all the time........they have been there so long it's as if that's all my mind wants to think.......and if it's not thinking the disgusting blasphemous thoughts than it just hurles an onslaught of new and vile wicked thoughts one right after another against the Holy Spirit...it's as if I'm Conjuring them up myself and at the same time having an emotion that feels as if I want them to be there........ Then what follows is my derealization is worse and panic comes and I start to feel weird and disconnected from reality...... Anybody know what I am talking about answers would be greatly appreciated thank you and God bless!!!
I just hate the feeling of feeling like I want them there or I love them in some sadistic way went deep deep deep down I know I don't but there's not really an off switchI know exactly what you are talking about!
Many people hear blasphemous voices against the Holy Spirit via the mind but I assure you they do go away.
With MASSIVE MASSIVE MASSIVE amounts of prayer, fasting, and getting hands laid on you by Spirit filled people they do go away.
People talk about it on youtube under "blasphemous thoughts".
Only the thoughts you agree to are your own.
Just know you are mighty because that's the highest form of evil is blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and if you win against it everything else in life is a breeze.
this link should help.
The Secrets of The Gospel: How to overcome fear of Matt 12:31-32! <--- link here
Make sure you keep speaking against the voices by cursing them in the name of JESUS. Even if it is all day for awhile. The voices you will see will go down.
I have to respectfully disagree with 1am3laine because OCD is a totally different ballgame than a real spiritual issue. Of course, with OCD, you feel like you have a spiritual issue, even though you don't. Your OCD is incredibly smart, and will do whatever it can to horrify you. That means making you feel like you DO mean the bad thoughts, that you are a bad person. My advice to you is going to be the same as what I've already mentioned...start playing into the OCD's hand, instead of running from it. It's kind of like this: there are a bunch of bad guys running around on a field, with paper swords in their hands. OCD is their general, the mastermind. He has them pretty well disguised, so that to you they look like real bad guys with real swords. You're terrified of these guys with swords, because they could kill you. So every time one comes running near you, you deflect him with your shield of compulsions - blocking the thoughts, asking forgiveness, etc. It's exhausting, but you really don't want to be killed, so you keep doing it. Now, the more afraid you are, the more puffed up these little guys with their little fake swords get. Soon, all they have to do is look at you, and your shield goes up. The problem is, you want to be free. You don't want to be bothered by these guys anymore, because you know that they're fake even though you can't seem to believe it. But that means stepping out on the field toward them. It means showing them you're not afraid by leaving your shield down. Of course, then you run the risk of them running you through with their swords. It's risky, because you don't know for sure yet if the swords ARE paper, and OCD is extraordinarily clever at making them look real. So, now's the moment of decision. Can you take the risk? You don't have to - but that means you will be indefinitely stuck in the same place, blocking the intrusive thoughts and getting more and more afraid of them. Or - the alternative. You can put the shield down. You can walk forward, eyes straight ahead, not looking at the mean little guys. Letting them jab their paper swords at you. At first you will jump in fright every time it happens. "Oh no! What if that's a real sword coming at me!" Everything in you will want to block it using a compulsion. "I need to drive that thought away, I need to ask God to forgive me! I'm a horrible person!" Despite those cries of fear, that rising anxiety, KEEP YOUR SHIELD DOWN and refuse the compulsions. Let the bad thoughts come. "OK, you want to come at me? Go for it. I'm terrified that I really mean that thought, but I'm taking the risk that it really is just an obsessive meaningless thought, so I'm going to leave it." That doesn't mean you like the thought or agree with it - just that you're showing OCD that you don't mean it, by refusing to nullify it or ask forgiveness for it. Will you FEEL like you mean it? Yes. OCD is good at disguising our true thoughts and feelings. That's why you have to use actions before feelings. SHOW the OCD that you know the thoughts are meaningless, even though you don't feel like they are. Let those stupid little men poke at you with their stupid paper swords. It'll hurt a lot a first, and feel so wrong, because your OCD will be telling you "That's a bad thought! You're a bad person! You need to block it with a compulsion!" IF YOU PERSIST in refusing to do compulsions, and letting those thoughts just come and do their thing, you'll start to notice something. Those swords? They're not real. In fact, they don't hurt at all. As you do this, your courage will start to rise. You'll keep walking, and suddenly those mean guys will look smaller and smaller. They'll keep trying to poke you for a while, but as you get stronger you'll realize how small and powerless they are. Your courage will rise and your anxiety will sink, and as you keep moving forward you will stumble across something you never expected to see again. Freedom.I just hate the feeling of feeling like I want them there or I love them in some sadistic way went deep deep deep down I know I don't but there's not really an off switch
It's it's been a long battle but you're exactly right I just hate the fact that whenever I try to do something spiritual or study or read or anything even feelings will come over me that says I hate Jesus or I hate the holy spirit it's all but Ally been safe for a long time so I do know the truth and I know Jesus is realI have to respectfully disagree with 1am3laine because OCD is a totally different ballgame than a real spiritual issue. Of course, with OCD, you feel like you have a spiritual issue, even though you don't. Your OCD is incredibly smart, and will do whatever it can to horrify you. That means making you feel like you DO mean the bad thoughts, that you are a bad person. My advice to you is going to be the same as what I've already mentioned...start playing into the OCD's hand, instead of running from it. It's kind of like this: there are a bunch of bad guys running around on a field, with paper swords in their hands. OCD is their general, the mastermind. He has them pretty well disguised, so that to you they look like real bad guys with real swords. You're terrified of these guys with swords, because they could kill you. So every time one comes running near you, you deflect him with your shield of compulsions - blocking the thoughts, asking forgiveness, etc. It's exhausting, but you really don't want to be killed, so you keep doing it. Now, the more afraid you are, the more puffed up these little guys with their little fake swords get. Soon, all they have to do is look at you, and your shield goes up. The problem is, you want to be free. You don't want to be bothered by these guys anymore, because you know that they're fake even though you can't seem to believe it. But that means stepping out on the field toward them. It means showing them you're not afraid by leaving your shield down. Of course, then you run the risk of them running you through with their swords. It's risky, because you don't know for sure yet if the swords ARE paper, and OCD is extraordinarily clever at making them look real. So, now's the moment of decision. Can you take the risk? You don't have to - but that means you will be indefinitely stuck in the same place, blocking the intrusive thoughts and getting more and more afraid of them. Or - the alternative. You can put the shield down. You can walk forward, eyes straight ahead, not looking at the mean little guys. Letting them jab their paper swords at you. At first you will jump in fright every time it happens. "Oh no! What if that's a real sword coming at me!" Everything in you will want to block it using a compulsion. "I need to drive that thought away, I need to ask God to forgive me! I'm a horrible person!" Despite those cries of fear, that rising anxiety, KEEP YOUR SHIELD DOWN and refuse the compulsions. Let the bad thoughts come. "OK, you want to come at me? Go for it. I'm terrified that I really mean that thought, but I'm taking the risk that it really is just an obsessive meaningless thought, so I'm going to leave it." That doesn't mean you like the thought or agree with it - just that you're showing OCD that you don't mean it, by refusing to nullify it or ask forgiveness for it. Will you FEEL like you mean it? Yes. OCD is good at disguising our true thoughts and feelings. That's why you have to use actions before feelings. SHOW the OCD that you know the thoughts are meaningless, even though you don't feel like they are. Let those stupid little men poke at you with their stupid paper swords. It'll hurt a lot a first, and feel so wrong, because your OCD will be telling you "That's a bad thought! You're a bad person! You need to block it with a compulsion!" IF YOU PERSIST in refusing to do compulsions, and letting those thoughts just come and do their thing, you'll start to notice something. Those swords? They're not real. In fact, they don't hurt at all. As you do this, your courage will start to rise. You'll keep walking, and suddenly those mean guys will look smaller and smaller. They'll keep trying to poke you for a while, but as you get stronger you'll realize how small and powerless they are. Your courage will rise and your anxiety will sink, and as you keep moving forward you will stumble across something you never expected to see again. Freedom.
It all sounds overly simplistic, but that's about what it boils down to. Ignore the thoughts, refuse to do compulsions. Let the anxiety come. Expect that your anxiety levels will rise, as you do this. It won't kill you. Once your OCD sees that you are not going to be afraid anymore, your anxiety will start to diminish - and so will the intrusive thoughts. Those of us with OCD have a brain that's prewired to get "stuck" on certain thoughts, and is predisposed to want us to be anxious - thus the reason that our OCD sadistically tries to pull us under with obsessions. It does it because it can, because it knows that we will freak out. Whereas a person without OCD would have a thought about blaspheming God and would say, "Hm, that's not a nice thought. I wouldn't really want to do that," and then moves on with their life, a person with OCD will suddenly get stuck on the thought because the OCD says "Ah ha! Here's something to be afraid of! Maybe you really DO want to!" We have to learn to say no to the OCD, to that urge to be afraid. It's simple, even though our OCD makes it seems complicated. But it's also really, really difficult, because it always involves doing something that feels wrong (because our OCD deceives us and makes us feel like it's bad to not do our compulsions). In the end, though, the choice is ours. We ultimately have to be the ones with the courage to say, "Enough is enough. It feels like OCD, so I'm taking that risk and treating it like it is." If you really can't get the process started on your own, I'd recommend finding a therapist who knows how to use ERP. If you don't want to do that, then use these techniques and research ERP - and start doing it on your own. Your freedom is too important not to fight for it.
Yes, I agree, it is a long battle. It might help to expect that spiritual things WILL bother you for awhile. Anything related to your obsession will probably cause a spike in anxiety - that's why we call them triggers. So, to use a completely unrelated example, if you are terrified of germs then any situation that involves germs will raise your anxiety. In my opinion, if you're having a really hard time then some avoidance is OK, but avoidance is actually also a compulsion. So if it's really hard for you to, say, read the Bible, then it's OK to go easy on yourself but the goal is to build up your endurance. So you could start with a small amount of "light" Bible reading (e.g. Psalms) and then work your way up to doing more. Of course, no matter what you'll probably feel anxious, so you'll have to push yourself a little, but you can work with what is manageable for you. As your mind grows stronger, you'll be able to do more and more, WITHOUT the intrusive thoughts bothering you (although of course they will at first, until they realize that you're not going to give in and listen to them). Keep fighting!It's it's been a long battle but you're exactly right I just hate the fact that whenever I try to do something spiritual or study or read or anything even feelings will come over me that says I hate Jesus or I hate the holy spirit it's all but Ally been safe for a long time so I do know the truth and I know Jesus is real
I just hate the feeling of feeling like I want them there or I love them in some sadistic way went deep deep deep down I know I don't but there's not really an off switch
I have to respectfully disagree with 1am3laine because OCD is a totally different ballgame than a real spiritual issue. Of course, with OCD, you feel like you have a spiritual issue, even though you don't. Your OCD is incredibly smart, and will do whatever it can to horrify you. That means making you feel like you DO mean the bad thoughts, that you are a bad person. My advice to you is going to be the same as what I've already mentioned...start playing into the OCD's hand, instead of running from it. It's kind of like this: there are a bunch of bad guys running around on a field, with paper swords in their hands. OCD is their general, the mastermind. He has them pretty well disguised, so that to you they look like real bad guys with real swords. You're terrified of these guys with swords, because they could kill you. So every time one comes running near you, you deflect him with your shield of compulsions - blocking the thoughts, asking forgiveness, etc. It's exhausting, but you really don't want to be killed, so you keep doing it. Now, the more afraid you are, the more puffed up these little guys with their little fake swords get. Soon, all they have to do is look at you, and your shield goes up. The problem is, you want to be free. You don't want to be bothered by these guys anymore, because you know that they're fake even though you can't seem to believe it. But that means stepping out on the field toward them. It means showing them you're not afraid by leaving your shield down. Of course, then you run the risk of them running you through with their swords. It's risky, because you don't know for sure yet if the swords ARE paper, and OCD is extraordinarily clever at making them look real. So, now's the moment of decision. Can you take the risk? You don't have to - but that means you will be indefinitely stuck in the same place, blocking the intrusive thoughts and getting more and more afraid of them. Or - the alternative. You can put the shield down. You can walk forward, eyes straight ahead, not looking at the mean little guys. Letting them jab their paper swords at you. At first you will jump in fright every time it happens. "Oh no! What if that's a real sword coming at me!" Everything in you will want to block it using a compulsion. "I need to drive that thought away, I need to ask God to forgive me! I'm a horrible person!" Despite those cries of fear, that rising anxiety, KEEP YOUR SHIELD DOWN and refuse the compulsions. Let the bad thoughts come. "OK, you want to come at me? Go for it. I'm terrified that I really mean that thought, but I'm taking the risk that it really is just an obsessive meaningless thought, so I'm going to leave it." That doesn't mean you like the thought or agree with it - just that you're showing OCD that you don't mean it, by refusing to nullify it or ask forgiveness for it. Will you FEEL like you mean it? Yes. OCD is good at disguising our true thoughts and feelings. That's why you have to use actions before feelings. SHOW the OCD that you know the thoughts are meaningless, even though you don't feel like they are. Let those stupid little men poke at you with their stupid paper swords. It'll hurt a lot a first, and feel so wrong, because your OCD will be telling you "That's a bad thought! You're a bad person! You need to block it with a compulsion!" IF YOU PERSIST in refusing to do compulsions, and letting those thoughts just come and do their thing, you'll start to notice something. Those swords? They're not real. In fact, they don't hurt at all. As you do this, your courage will start to rise. You'll keep walking, and suddenly those mean guys will look smaller and smaller. They'll keep trying to poke you for a while, but as you get stronger you'll realize how small and powerless they are. Your courage will rise and your anxiety will sink, and as you keep moving forward you will stumble across something you never expected to see again. Freedom.
It all sounds overly simplistic, but that's about what it boils down to. Ignore the thoughts, refuse to do compulsions. Let the anxiety come. Expect that your anxiety levels will rise, as you do this. It won't kill you. Once your OCD sees that you are not going to be afraid anymore, your anxiety will start to diminish - and so will the intrusive thoughts. Those of us with OCD have a brain that's prewired to get "stuck" on certain thoughts, and is predisposed to want us to be anxious - thus the reason that our OCD sadistically tries to pull us under with obsessions. It does it because it can, because it knows that we will freak out. Whereas a person without OCD would have a thought about blaspheming God and would say, "Hm, that's not a nice thought. I wouldn't really want to do that," and then moves on with their life, a person with OCD will suddenly get stuck on the thought because the OCD says "Ah ha! Here's something to be afraid of! Maybe you really DO want to!" We have to learn to say no to the OCD, to that urge to be afraid. It's simple, even though our OCD makes it seems complicated. But it's also really, really difficult, because it always involves doing something that feels wrong (because our OCD deceives us and makes us feel like it's bad to not do our compulsions). In the end, though, the choice is ours. We ultimately have to be the ones with the courage to say, "Enough is enough. It feels like OCD, so I'm taking that risk and treating it like it is." If you really can't get the process started on your own, I'd recommend finding a therapist who knows how to use ERP. If you don't want to do that, then use these techniques and research ERP - and start doing it on your own. Your freedom is too important not to fight for it.
You have to continuously speak against them via the mind or out aloud saying "I curse you in the name of JESUS". Even if it is 100,000 times a day.
I promise you if you keep putting the Word of GOD on it they will subside and get lower and lower then finally leave.
YEP!Just wanted to say thanks for all the awesome replies I guess for me a real question is is there such thing as mouth OCD seems as if instead of Blasphemous thoughts coming in my mind there constantly wanting to come out of my mouth so whenever I'm wanting to speak about God or read the scripture allowed it seems as if my mouth is wanting to twist it or make it Blasphemous somehow or
and say it backwards or say it backwards and then put the word not on the end of it to cancel it out......is this also OCD?????
for me it's always been you know the unpardonable sin scare no it's just so bad that everytime I hear anything related to the spirit of God I've had occasions where my mouth will speak out something crazy Blasphemous it's not something I want maybe a mild form of Tourette's but along with hearing or reading the words Holy Spirit or anything related I have this feeling I guess it's an OCD false feeling of I do want to think that way I do mean what I say I do hate the spirit and dust it produces my derealization and anxiety to be worse...... It's just some days I feel as if I have no control over my mouth or mine as if I'm demonically possessed it's just a hard battleYEP!OCD will make you think you feel/want/think all sorts of things, just because you're so sensitized to doing/not doing something. For example, way back in my childhood days, when I had a contamination obsession, my hands would actually "feel" dirty if I thought (obsessively) that they were dirty. But feeling that they were dirty didn't mean they were dirty. And I had to learn to live with that uncomfortable feeling, to run the risk that they might be horribly germy, in order to get back to a normal perception of what was real dirt and what was not. In the same vein, you have to continue speaking about God and reading the Bible without doing compulsions - physical OR mental - living with the discomfort that you might say something awful. If you keep doing this you will eventually realize that no, you don't really want to say anything bad and you're not going to. But first you have to take the risk, trusting that you're not going to and continuing to do the things you're afraid of, without doing compulsions. OCD takes many, many forms, but it always works the same - it tries to get us afraid of doing something that we never wanted to do in the first place, and works to deceive our minds into doubting and thinking that maybe we really do want to. I've had many different obsessive themes, and each time the OCD tries to convince me that THIS time it's not OCD, this time it's a real issue, and I dare not fight it as OCD for fear of being wrong. So as long as I believe it, I'm in bondage. But when we start saying "Nope, not happening - I'm not believing your lies anymore" - look out, OCD!
for me it's always been you know the unpardonable sin scare no it's just so bad that everytime I hear anything related to the spirit of God I've had occasions where my mouth will speak out something crazy Blasphemous it's not something I want maybe a mild form of Tourette's but along with hearing or reading the words Holy Spirit or anything related I have this feeling I guess it's an OCD false feeling of I do want to think that way I do mean what I say I do hate the spirit and dust it produces my derealization and anxiety to be worse...... It's just some days I feel as if I have no control over my mouth or mine as if I'm demonically possessed it's just a hard battle
Tourette’s isn’t due to demonic oppression either. It’s a neurological disorder. Yet another thing with a completely rational explanation. Attributing things like that to demons only adds stigma and misunderstandings to those who suffer from Tourette’s. And it’s the 21 st century.
A lot of damage was done to my mental/spiritual state as a young child because of people telling me my thoughts were "from the devil" or demons. It was due to that, that I became convinced i was the Anti-Christ as a young child and felt that I had been cast out for all eternity, only because of a mental disorder that I had.
Please be careful painting such broad strokes with the demon/devil/possessed brush. Sometimes it is not helpful to people in that state.