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The script God sees is one I helped to write. That means I have the ability to respond to God and to others with love or with hate. God knowing what I am going to do does not remove the fact that I am the one who decided which to do, not God.
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ExistencePrecedesEssence
Fools seem to ruin even the worst of things!
Then i recant my statement and replace it with the god situation of religion irrelevent, the moralities and ethicalities that concern us though, intrigue me.Then religion is quite relevant to your quest for interesting conversation.
From what I've seen, you seem a bit like I was many years ago. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not.Determined in some beliefs, but still curious and open. It's the degree and manner of denial that betrays oneself. Look at some of the more vitriolic atheists' conversations, and look at some of the more moderate atheists' conversations. Look for the motives behind their arguments. =)
Spot on. If there is no god, and nature is the only driving "force", then nature hath condemned us to existence.
Define "know".
I do find myself have good reasons for denying religious intentions, but i dont exactly see myself becoming the next Richard Dawkins. I just wish to help enhance the individual through a purely un-religious pre-text humanism. Neither do i wish to concern myself with some of the factors of humanism, but i do find certain capabilities of the humanist message to fit my definition for philosophical importance. Ill associate myself with existentialism, post modernism and any other required philosophy concept to help me pursue this quest.
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There is no pain after death. There is only life after death for some who respond to the love of God with love.
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Can God make a square circle?
Can God do something he cannot do?
Can God make a wurble he cannot splordle?
Can God uwioeghlaiughlaiuegh?
Spot the common theme!
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that just sounds like a "cop-out"
i mean there's so much that can't be explained. it seems almost irrational to have so much faith in something without having very much evidence for it. i mean take the bible for example; my parents gave me one. how am i supposed to know it's so special. how am i supposed to believe it's the best book in the universe? just because it says so? i mean, all the cristian science just seems debatable. like it can't be proved.
why then do we spend so much time on energy on theories when there are real issues in the world?
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first are you implying that i respond to the love of god without love? if so that's very judgmental. you've absolutely no knowledge of my relationship with god. second, you seem to only think that because the bible and your church says it. can you yourself prove the bible is real or do you need other's scientific data? or do you believe in it because it says it is? in which case would be quite irrational. surely you must believe in it based on faith? but even so, faith without any logical basis is just stupid. no?
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but elman, what else is there beyond your experiences and genetics? this "free will", there's no evidence of it is there? why would god test us if he knows everything? why didn't he just make us perfect WITH "free will" and also with the knowledge of the repercussions of sin? there doesn't seem to be a REAL answer to that. if he did that everything would be perfect. he would be perfect. we wouldn't be robots and we would have to suffer either. it would be like we were already in heaven? we teach us through this long grueling process, even if it has some rewards at the end, if he could just teach us with the wave of a hand? we'd still have "free will". it just doesn't make any sense. and the idea of faith in something that doesn't make any sense, with so little to base that faith on, again, just seems stupid.
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Originally Posted by elman
The script God sees is one I helped to write. That means I have the ability to respond to God and to others with love or with hate. God knowing what I am going to do does not remove the fact that I am the one who decided which to do, not God.
So you're saying, by "the script which God sees is one I helped to create" that God infact is just a passive observer - and that you're the main writer of this script!
So, in actual fact, it is humanity that has the power, and not God!
Originally Posted by elman
The script God sees is one I helped to write. That means I have the ability to respond to God and to others with love or with hate. God knowing what I am going to do does not remove the fact that I am the one who decided which to do, not God.
So you're saying, by "the script which God sees is one I helped to create" that God infact is just a passive observer - and that you're the main writer of this script!
So, in actual fact, it is humanity that has the power, and not God!
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Originally Posted by elman
The script God sees is one I helped to write. That means I have the ability to respond to God and to others with love or with hate. God knowing what I am going to do does not remove the fact that I am the one who decided which to do, not God.
So you're saying, by "the script which God sees is one I helped to create" that God infact is just a passive observer - and that you're the main writer of this script!
So, in actual fact, it is humanity that has the power, and not God!
No I am not saying God is a passive observer. He created me. He gave me the ability to love or not love. He gave me the knowledge of what it means to love or not love. He gave me the intelligence to seek Him and His will. He allows me to write a small portion of the script, certainly not the whole script by myself.
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