Fr. James Martin on LBGT community: A bridge too far?

[Michie]

In his new book, "Building a Bridge," Father James Martin fails to mention Catholic organizations trying to help homosexuals live their lives according to Church teaching. However, he does speak approvingly of New Ways Ministry, which has been condemned by both the Vatican and U.S. bishops. Is he causing confusion within the Church?

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Father James Martin on LGBT community: A bridge too far?

 

[Michie]

"Pretty much everyone's lifestyle is sinful," Fr. James Martin told the New York Times.

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No, not every lifestyle is sinful

 

[jimmyjimmy]

"Pretty much everyone's lifestyle is sinful," Fr. James Martin told the New York Times.

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No, not every lifestyle is sinful

The way to expose this for what it is, is to change the sin. Change it to a sin which is culturally unacceptable in the west, and he wouldn't be singing the same tune.

Would he be "building a bridge" toward racists? Would he be trying to minimize their sin by saying, "Pretty much everyone's lifestyle is sinful," if he were talking about racism?

 

[frienden thalord]

I truly wish that so many would wake up to the fact that GOD is wiser than us all.
This being unequally yoke together has not won the gays to Christ.
quite the opposite has occurred. Instaed of keeping the pattern of JESUS
who would CORRECT
years back it became just hug em to win them.
Well HOW has that worked out . DID the church win them to CHRIST
OR. , was the church won to them. Many SUPPORT it now.
SEE why I say GOD is wiser than us all. HE KNEW and KNOWS
that if we are unequally yoked we fall away..
Now define insanity. Doing the same thing over and over expecting
a different result ..

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

"Pretty much everyone's lifestyle is sinful," Fr. James Martin told the New York Times.

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to live in accordance with the teachings of Christ. “It was appropriate to welcome people to come and pray and call them who they were,” he said. “And later on, we can talk.”

This is a smoke screen that if allowed will allow activist groups to create a foothold within the flock from which they will then push for change by aggressive tactics.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

The way to expose this for what it is, is to change the sin. Change it to a sin which is culturally unacceptable in the west, and he wouldn't be singing the same tune.

Would he be "building a bridge" toward racists? Would he be trying to minimize their sin by saying, "Pretty much everyone's lifestyle is sinful," if he were talking about racism?

Good point.

 

[Spherical]

Ah, good ol' Jesuits. With a Superior General that sees the devil as only a symbolical figure and wants women to develop "creative" ministries and a new hierarchy... it only says this much.

 

[Spherical]

The way to expose this for what it is, is to change the sin. Change it to a sin which is culturally unacceptable in the west, and he wouldn't be singing the same tune.
Would he be "building a bridge" toward racists? Would he be trying to minimize their sin by saying, "Pretty much everyone's lifestyle is sinful," if he were talking about racism?

Knowing them, he would say that homosexuals don't make negative remarks or aggressive actions against others. So no, he wouldn't minimize racism, even in that case.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Knowing them, he would say that homosexuals don't make negative remarks or aggressive actions against others. So no, he wouldn't minimize racism, even in that case.

I know that he wouldn't minimize racism. My point is, he's being inconsistent when he doesn't.

 

[Michie]

Fr. James Martin, “bridges”, and the triumph of the therapeutic mentality – Catholic World Report

 

[Michie]

Jesuits like Fr. James Martin Should Learn from Africa

 

[Michie]

The LGBT Philosophy of James Martin Will Cause Catholics to Embrace Gay and Reject the Catechism

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

The LGBT Philosophy of James Martin Will Cause Catholics to Embrace Gay and Reject the Catechism

I once visite a friend on his death bed dying fom complications of AIDS.

I mentioned to him that he could call on God, just pray to him in your own words.


He responded that religion was just designed as a form of control. Yet he was lying there completely out of control with his life ebbing away.

I never saw him again.

 

[football5680]

The LGBT Philosophy of James Martin Will Cause Catholics to Embrace Gay and Reject the Catechism

And this is why they are dangerous. I would rather people like him reject Catholicism than try to poison it from the inside. Hopefully he changes his ways before it is too late because God will judge him more strictly than anybody who he has deceived.

Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. (James 3:1)

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Why does not the church leadership reign in James Martin?

 

[Michie]

I often ask the same question about a few clergy and religious.

Why does not the church leadership reign in James Martin?

 

[Michie]

Father Martin’s ‘LGBT’ Approach Sparks Concerns

Critics say it fails to communicate Catholic truths.

 

[Michie]

Father James Martin Explains His Vision Regarding ‘LGBT’ Catholics

 

[chevyontheriver]

Why does not the church leadership reign in James Martin?

As a Jesuit, his Jesuit provincial is the one to do so. If his Jesuit provincial will not do it then the head of the Jesuits would be the next in command. The head of the Jesuits, however is talking about how we need to discern away what Jesus said on moral issues. Fr. Martin would probably get an 'attaboy'.

Your ordinary bishop doesn't have the authority to rein in Fr. Martin, but could only deny faculties within his diocese and deny the use of diocesan property for him to speak at. But then he can go to the next diocese over and see if he can get away with it there. Or just not bother to use any diocesan property. A bishop can't stop him. Nor would many dare to do so. He's a friend of the pope, seemingly.

Pope Francis really blew it by appointing him to the Vatican's Secretariate for Communications. Martin wrote a nice book back in 2006 (My Life With The Saints) but has since gone off the deep end.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Father Martin’s ‘LGBT’ Approach Sparks Concerns

Critics say it fails to communicate Catholic truths.

He dances all over the issue. He answers only the questions he wants to i.e. Those that won't put him in direct conflict with Catholic teaching, He does not give direct answers.