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Father Alexander Schmemann, memory eternal was the dean and professor of liturgical theology at St. Vladimir's Seminary, the most esteemed English language seminary in Orthodox Christianity. His illustrious predecessor was Fr. Georges Florovsky, memory eternal, and his successors include Fr. Thomas Hopko, memory eternal, and currently Fr. John Behr. His work The Life of the World is considered a masterpiece of liturgical theology, and is widely read by Protestand and Catholic theologians as well as by the Orthodox.

Here is what he has to say on the sacred, mystical importance of Sabbath and the Lord's Day:

From the beginning Christians had their own day, and it is in its peculiar nature that we find the key to the Christian experience of time. To recover it, however, we must go beyond Constantine's legislation which, by instituting Sun day as the compulsory, weekly day of rest, made it the Christian substitute for the Jewish Sabbath. After that the unique and paradoxical significance of the Lord's Day was little by little forgotten. And yet its significance came pre cisely from its relation to the Sabbath, that is, to the whole biblical understanding of time. In the Jewish religious experience Sabbath, the seventh day, has a tremendous importance: it is the participation by man in, and his affirma tion of, the goodness of God's creation. "And God saw it was good. . . . And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made" (Gn. 1:25, 2:3). The seventh day is thus the joyful acceptance of the world created by God as good. The rest prescribed on that day, and which was somehow obscured later by petty and legalistic prescriptions and taboos, is not at all our modern "relaxation," an absence of work. It is the active participation in the "Sabbath delight," in the sacredness d fullness of divine peace as the fruit of all work, as the crowning of all time. It has thus both cosmic and eschatological connotations.

Yet this "good" world, which the Jew blesses on the seventh day, is at the same time the world of sin and revolt against God, and its time is the time of man's exile and alienation from God. And, therefore, the seventh day points beyond itself toward a new Lord's Day-the day of salva tion and redemption, of God's triumph over His enemies. In the late Jewish apocalyptic wntmgs there emerges the idea of a new day which is both the eighth-because it is beyond the frustrations and limitations of "seven," the time of this world-and the first, because with it begins the new time, that of the Kingdom. It is from this idea that grew the Christian Sunday.

Christ rose from the dead on the first day after Sabbath. The life that shone forth from the grave was beyond the inescapable limitations of "seven," of time at leads to death. It was thus the beginning of a new life and of a new time. It was truly the eighth and the first day and it became the day of the Church. The risen Christ, according to the fourth Gospel, appeared to His disciples on the first day (Jn. 20:19) and then "after eight days" (20:26). This is the day on which the Church celebrates the Eucharist-the sacrament of its ascension to the Kingdom and of its participation at the messianic banquet in the "age to come," the day on which the Church fulfills itself as new life. The earliest documents mention that Christians meet statu die on a fixed day-and nothing in the long history of Chris tianity could alter the importance of this fixed day.

A "fixed day." . . . If Christianity were a purely "spiritual" and eschatological faith there would have been no need for a "fixed day," because mysticism has no interest in time. To save one's soul one needs, indeed, no "calendar." And if Christiani were but a new "religion," it would have established its calendar, with the usual opposition be tween the "holy days" and the "profane days"-those to be "kept" and "observed" and those religiously insignificant. Both understandings did in fact appear later. But this was not at all the original meaning of the "fixed day." It was not meant to be a "holy day" opposed to profane ones, a commemoration in time of a past event. Its true meaning was in the transformation of time, not of calendar. For, on the one hand, Sunday remained one of the days (for more than three centuries it was not even a day of rest) , the first of the week, fully belonging to this world.

Yet on the other hand, on that day, through the eucharistic ascension, the Day of thee Lord was revealed and manifested in all its glory and transforming power as thr end of this world, as the be ginning of the world to come. And thus through that one day all days, all time were transformed into t es of re membrance and expectation, remembrance of this ascen sion, Cwe have seen the t e light") and expectation of its coming. All days, all hours were now referred to this end of all "natural" life, to the beginning of the new life. The week was no longer a sequence of "profane" days, with rest on the "sacred" day at their end. It was now a move ment from Mount Tabor into the world, from the world into the "day without evening" of the world to come. Eve day, every hour acquired now an importance, a gravi it could not have had befote: each day was now to be a step in this movement, a moment of decision and wit ness, a time of ult afe meaning. Sunday therefore was not a "sacred" day to be "observed" apart from all other days and opposed to them. It did not interrupt time with a "timeless" mystical ecstasy. It was not a "break" in an othe ise meaningless sequence of days and nights. By re maining one of the ordinary days, and yet by revealing itself through the Eucharist as e eighth and first day, it gave all days their true meaning. It made the time of this world a time of the end, and it made it also the time of the beginning.


I believe this very elegantly explains the liturgical, cosmological and eschatological importance of both the Sabbath and the Lord's Day, as representing the Omega of the first Creation and the Alpha of the new Creation. God rested in a tomb on the Sabbath before rising from the dead in glory to set into motion the World to Come and open to us the gates of Salvation.
 

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Father Alexander Schmemann, memory eternal was the dean and professor of liturgical theology at St. Vladimir's Seminary, the most esteemed English language seminary in Orthodox Christianity. His illustrious predecessor was Fr. Georges Florovsky, memory eternal, and his successors include Fr. Thomas Hopko, memory eternal, and currently Fr. John Behr. His work The Life of the World is considered a masterpiece of liturgical theology, and is widely read by Protestand and Catholic theologians as well as by the Orthodox.

Here is what he has to say on the sacred, mystical importance of Sabbath and the Lord's Day:

From the beginning Christians had their own day, and it is in its peculiar nature that we find the key to the Christian experience of time. To recover it, however, we must go beyond Constantine's legislation which, by instituting Sun day as the compulsory, weekly day of rest, made it the Christian substitute for the Jewish Sabbath. After that the unique and paradoxical significance of the Lord's Day was little by little forgotten. And yet its significance came pre cisely from its relation to the Sabbath, that is, to the whole biblical understanding of time. In the Jewish religious experience Sabbath, the seventh day, has a tremendous importance: it is the participation by man in, and his affirma tion of, the goodness of God's creation. "And God saw it was good. . . . And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made" (Gn. 1:25, 2:3). The seventh day is thus the joyful acceptance of the world created by God as good. The rest prescribed on that day, and which was somehow obscured later by petty and legalistic prescriptions and taboos, is not at all our modern "relaxation," an absence of work. It is the active participation in the "Sabbath delight," in the sacredness d fullness of divine peace as the fruit of all work, as the crowning of all time. It has thus both cosmic and eschatological connotations.

Yet this "good" world, which the Jew blesses on the seventh day, is at the same time the world of sin and revolt against God, and its time is the time of man's exile and alienation from God. And, therefore, the seventh day points beyond itself toward a new Lord's Day-the day of salva tion and redemption, of God's triumph over His enemies. In the late Jewish apocalyptic wntmgs there emerges the idea of a new day which is both the eighth-because it is beyond the frustrations and limitations of "seven," the time of this world-and the first, because with it begins the new time, that of the Kingdom. It is from this idea that grew the Christian Sunday.

Christ rose from the dead on the first day after Sabbath. The life that shone forth from the grave was beyond the inescapable limitations of "seven," of time at leads to death. It was thus the beginning of a new life and of a new time. It was truly the eighth and the first day and it became the day of the Church. The risen Christ, according to the fourth Gospel, appeared to His disciples on the first day (Jn. 20:19) and then "after eight days" (20:26). This is the day on which the Church celebrates the Eucharist-the sacrament of its ascension to the Kingdom and of its participation at the messianic banquet in the "age to come," the day on which the Church fulfills itself as new life. The earliest documents mention that Christians meet statu die on a fixed day-and nothing in the long history of Chris tianity could alter the importance of this fixed day.

A "fixed day." . . . If Christianity were a purely "spiritual" and eschatological faith there would have been no need for a "fixed day," because mysticism has no interest in time. To save one's soul one needs, indeed, no "calendar." And if Christiani were but a new "religion," it would have established its calendar, with the usual opposition be tween the "holy days" and the "profane days"-those to be "kept" and "observed" and those religiously insignificant. Both understandings did in fact appear later. But this was not at all the original meaning of the "fixed day." It was not meant to be a "holy day" opposed to profane ones, a commemoration in time of a past event. Its true meaning was in the transformation of time, not of calendar. For, on the one hand, Sunday remained one of the days (for more than three centuries it was not even a day of rest) , the first of the week, fully belonging to this world.

Yet on the other hand, on that day, through the eucharistic ascension, the Day of thee Lord was revealed and manifested in all its glory and transforming power as thr end of this world, as the be ginning of the world to come. And thus through that one day all days, all time were transformed into t es of re membrance and expectation, remembrance of this ascen sion, Cwe have seen the t e light") and expectation of its coming. All days, all hours were now referred to this end of all "natural" life, to the beginning of the new life. The week was no longer a sequence of "profane" days, with rest on the "sacred" day at their end. It was now a move ment from Mount Tabor into the world, from the world into the "day without evening" of the world to come. Eve day, every hour acquired now an importance, a gravi it could not have had befote: each day was now to be a step in this movement, a moment of decision and wit ness, a time of ult afe meaning. Sunday therefore was not a "sacred" day to be "observed" apart from all other days and opposed to them. It did not interrupt time with a "timeless" mystical ecstasy. It was not a "break" in an othe ise meaningless sequence of days and nights. By re maining one of the ordinary days, and yet by revealing itself through the Eucharist as e eighth and first day, it gave all days their true meaning. It made the time of this world a time of the end, and it made it also the time of the beginning.


I believe this very elegantly explains the liturgical, cosmological and eschatological importance of both the Sabbath and the Lord's Day, as representing the Omega of the first Creation and the Alpha of the new Creation. God rested in a tomb on the Sabbath before rising from the dead in glory to set into motion the World to Come and open to us the gates of Salvation.

This is beautiful, and extrmeely valid. Asn an Anglican, I have always admired the Eucharistic eology,expressed by Fr. Alexander Schmemann.
 
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The "Lord's Day" is not when he rose from the grave. Many places in scripture talk about the day of YHVH and it is a future date of judgement:


1Th_5:2 For you yourselves know very well that the day of יהוה comes as a thief in the night.

2Pe_2:9thenיהוה knows how to rescue the reverent ones from trial and to keep the unrighteous unto the day of judgment, to be punished,

2Pe_3:10 But the day of יהוה shall come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with intense heat, and the earth and the works that are in it shall be burned up.

2Pe_3:12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of Elohim, through which the heavens shall be destroyed, being set on fire, and the elements melt with intense heat!

Rev_1:10 I came to be in the Spirit on the Day of יהוה, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,


These are but a few examples. The Lord's Day is not sunday by any means but it is when Elohim will judge this world. Twisting scripture by making it something else and ABROGATING AN ETERNAL LAW is utter rediculous and blasphemous.

The sabbath was, is, and will always be on the 7th day. Christians don't get their own special day to make them feel distinct:


Exo_12:49 "There is one Torah for the native-born and for the stranger who sojourns among you."

Isa_66:23 "And it shall be that from New Moon to New Moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me," declares יהוה.
 
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Father Alexander Schmemann, memory eternal was the dean and professor of liturgical theology at St. Vladimir's Seminary, the most esteemed English language seminary in Orthodox Christianity. His illustrious predecessor was Fr. Georges Florovsky, memory eternal, and his successors include Fr. Thomas Hopko, memory eternal, and currently Fr. John Behr. His work The Life of the World is considered a masterpiece of liturgical theology, and is widely read by Protestand and Catholic theologians as well as by the Orthodox.

Here is what he has to say on the sacred, mystical importance of Sabbath and the Lord's Day:

From the beginning Christians had their own day, and it is in its peculiar nature that we find the key to the Christian experience of time. To recover it, however, we must go beyond Constantine's legislation which, by instituting Sun day as the compulsory, weekly day of rest, made it the Christian substitute for the Jewish Sabbath. After that the unique and paradoxical significance of the Lord's Day was little by little forgotten. And yet its significance came pre cisely from its relation to the Sabbath, that is, to the whole biblical understanding of time. In the Jewish religious experience Sabbath, the seventh day, has a tremendous importance: it is the participation by man in, and his affirma tion of, the goodness of God's creation. "And God saw it was good. . . . And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made" (Gn. 1:25, 2:3). The seventh day is thus the joyful acceptance of the world created by God as good. The rest prescribed on that day, and which was somehow obscured later by petty and legalistic prescriptions and taboos, is not at all our modern "relaxation," an absence of work. It is the active participation in the "Sabbath delight," in the sacredness d fullness of divine peace as the fruit of all work, as the crowning of all time. It has thus both cosmic and eschatological connotations.

Yet this "good" world, which the Jew blesses on the seventh day, is at the same time the world of sin and revolt against God, and its time is the time of man's exile and alienation from God. And, therefore, the seventh day points beyond itself toward a new Lord's Day-the day of salva tion and redemption, of God's triumph over His enemies. In the late Jewish apocalyptic wntmgs there emerges the idea of a new day which is both the eighth-because it is beyond the frustrations and limitations of "seven," the time of this world-and the first, because with it begins the new time, that of the Kingdom. It is from this idea that grew the Christian Sunday.

Christ rose from the dead on the first day after Sabbath. The life that shone forth from the grave was beyond the inescapable limitations of "seven," of time at leads to death. It was thus the beginning of a new life and of a new time. It was truly the eighth and the first day and it became the day of the Church. The risen Christ, according to the fourth Gospel, appeared to His disciples on the first day (Jn. 20:19) and then "after eight days" (20:26). This is the day on which the Church celebrates the Eucharist-the sacrament of its ascension to the Kingdom and of its participation at the messianic banquet in the "age to come," the day on which the Church fulfills itself as new life. The earliest documents mention that Christians meet statu die on a fixed day-and nothing in the long history of Chris tianity could alter the importance of this fixed day.

A "fixed day." . . . If Christianity were a purely "spiritual" and eschatological faith there would have been no need for a "fixed day," because mysticism has no interest in time. To save one's soul one needs, indeed, no "calendar." And if Christiani were but a new "religion," it would have established its calendar, with the usual opposition be tween the "holy days" and the "profane days"-those to be "kept" and "observed" and those religiously insignificant. Both understandings did in fact appear later. But this was not at all the original meaning of the "fixed day." It was not meant to be a "holy day" opposed to profane ones, a commemoration in time of a past event. Its true meaning was in the transformation of time, not of calendar. For, on the one hand, Sunday remained one of the days (for more than three centuries it was not even a day of rest) , the first of the week, fully belonging to this world.

Yet on the other hand, on that day, through the eucharistic ascension, the Day of thee Lord was revealed and manifested in all its glory and transforming power as thr end of this world, as the be ginning of the world to come. And thus through that one day all days, all time were transformed into t es of re membrance and expectation, remembrance of this ascen sion, Cwe have seen the t e light") and expectation of its coming. All days, all hours were now referred to this end of all "natural" life, to the beginning of the new life. The week was no longer a sequence of "profane" days, with rest on the "sacred" day at their end. It was now a move ment from Mount Tabor into the world, from the world into the "day without evening" of the world to come. Eve day, every hour acquired now an importance, a gravi it could not have had befote: each day was now to be a step in this movement, a moment of decision and wit ness, a time of ult afe meaning. Sunday therefore was not a "sacred" day to be "observed" apart from all other days and opposed to them. It did not interrupt time with a "timeless" mystical ecstasy. It was not a "break" in an othe ise meaningless sequence of days and nights. By re maining one of the ordinary days, and yet by revealing itself through the Eucharist as e eighth and first day, it gave all days their true meaning. It made the time of this world a time of the end, and it made it also the time of the beginning.


I believe this very elegantly explains the liturgical, cosmological and eschatological importance of both the Sabbath and the Lord's Day, as representing the Omega of the first Creation and the Alpha of the new Creation. God rested in a tomb on the Sabbath before rising from the dead in glory to set into motion the World to Come and open to us the gates of Salvation.
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Hello, Jason!
The "Lord's Day" is not when he rose from the grave. Many places in scripture talk about the day of YHVH and it is a future date of judgement:


1Th_5:2 For you yourselves know very well that the day of יהוה comes as a thief in the night.

2Pe_2:9thenיהוה knows how to rescue the reverent ones from trial and to keep the unrighteous unto the day of judgment, to be punished,

2Pe_3:10 But the day of יהוה shall come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with intense heat, and the earth and the works that are in it shall be burned up.

2Pe_3:12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of Elohim, through which the heavens shall be destroyed, being set on fire, and the elements melt with intense heat!

Rev_1:10 I came to be in the Spirit on the Day of יהוה, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,


These are but a few examples. The Lord's Day is not sunday by any means but it is when Elohim will judge this world. Twisting scripture by making it something else and ABROGATING AN ETERNAL LAW is utter rediculous and blasphemous.

The sabbath was, is, and will always be on the 7th day. Christians don't get their own special day to make them feel distinct:


Exo_12:49 "There is one Torah for the native-born and for the stranger who sojourns among you."

Isa_66:23 "And it shall be that from New Moon to New Moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me," declares יהוה.
The Lord's Day could mean different things in different contexts then. in 2 Peter it talks about hastening God's day, which isn't something like a day of the week but an apocalyptic event. In Rev 1-2, obviously John was not in the spirit on that same apocalyptic date, because it was in the 1st century AD.

I think that this means that it's worth having a somewhat flexible approach to scripture and also to care about the ancient traditions that were handed down by the Christians in the 1st-2nd centuries AD about what their writings meant.
 
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In Rev 1-2, obviously John was not in the spirit on that same apocalyptic date, because it was in the 1st century AD.

No, John was seeing a vision of the future. He saw all of revelation take place which is the DAY OF YHVH

The Lord's Day could mean different things in different contexts then

No, this violates scriptural threads. Scripture interpreits scripture and if you alter the meanings you arrive at wrong conclusions like most do on this issue. This is by far one of the easier ones to see in scripture that its talking about the day of YHVH.
 
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The "Lord's Day" is not when he rose from the grave. Many places in scripture talk about the day of YHVH and it is a future date of judgement:


1Th_5:2 For you yourselves know very well that the day of יהוה comes as a thief in the night.

2Pe_2:9thenיהוה knows how to rescue the reverent ones from trial and to keep the unrighteous unto the day of judgment, to be punished,

2Pe_3:10 But the day of יהוה shall come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with intense heat, and the earth and the works that are in it shall be burned up.

2Pe_3:12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of Elohim, through which the heavens shall be destroyed, being set on fire, and the elements melt with intense heat!

Rev_1:10 I came to be in the Spirit on the Day of יהוה, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,


These are but a few examples. The Lord's Day is not sunday by any means but it is when Elohim will judge this world. Twisting scripture by making it something else and ABROGATING AN ETERNAL LAW is utter rediculous and blasphemous.

The sabbath was, is, and will always be on the 7th day. Christians don't get their own special day to make them feel distinct:


Exo_12:49 "There is one Torah for the native-born and for the stranger who sojourns among you."

Isa_66:23 "And it shall be that from New Moon to New Moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me," declares יהוה.

Scripture repeatedly refers to Sunday as the Lord's Day, so alas, its not blasphemous to refer to Sunday as the Lord's Day, any more than it is blasphemous to refer to Saturday as the Sabbath.
 
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No, John was seeing a vision of the future. He saw all of revelation take place which is the DAY OF YHVH

On this point you are mistaken. The seven letters to the seven local churches of Asia Minor (St. John was Bishop of Ephesus, by the way, when he was exiled to Patmos) were very clearly meant to address temporal problems.

No, this violates scriptural threads. Scripture interpreits scripture and if you alter the meanings you arrive at wrong conclusions like most do on this issue. This is by far one of the easier ones to see in scripture that its talking about the day of YHVH.

According to the Church of England, the Church interprets Scripture through the lens of Scripture, Tradition and Reason. And Scripture, tradition and reason combined point to the Lord's Day being the focus of Christian life.
 
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Scripture repeatedly refers to Sunday as the Lord's Day, so alas, its not blasphemous to refer to Sunday as the Lord's Day, any more than it is blasphemous to refer to Saturday as the Sabbath.

Where does scripture refer to this? That is a wrong assumption.

On this point you are mistaken. The seven letters to the seven local churches of Asia Minor (St. John was Bishop of Ephesus, by the way, when he was exiled to Patmos) were very clearly meant to address temporal problems.

Surely you don't think that book of revelation showed what was going to happen back then. It is future and a warning to those of us (and them back then).
 
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No, John was seeing a vision of the future. He saw all of revelation take place which is the DAY OF YHVH



No, this violates scriptural threads. Scripture interpreits scripture and if you alter the meanings you arrive at wrong conclusions like most do on this issue. This is by far one of the easier ones to see in scripture that its talking about the day of YHVH.

Jason,

Can anyone just read scripture for themselves in a sincere way per "scripture interprets scripture" and then come to opposite conclusions and not care when people reason with the person? It seems like there is a huge problem of objectivity, and I don't know what to do about that. I am not talking about the christian community forcing people to "see reason", but it looks really tough like a hard conundrum or dilemma when people can't. It's a really common phenomena of thousands of people just inventing their own ideas and claiming it's the "true" meaning of the Bible. Don't you think that this is a problem? How to deal with that?

Rev. 1 says:

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
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17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
John lived in the first century AD and was on the island of Patmos in the first century AD, but the Second Coming did not happen in the first century AD.
John begins by introducing himself and then saying he was [past tense] on the island of Patmos on the Lord's Day and then he saw Jesus and Jesus told him to write letters to the seven churches, something that he did in the 1st century AD.

So is Rev 1 about a vision John had on the Lord's Day, a day of the week, in the 1st century, or was it an experience John had thousands or millions or billions of years later in the Second Coming, with Jesus appearing to him in, say 1 million AD and telling him to write letters to seven churches?
 
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Where does scripture refer to this? That is a wrong assumption.



Surely you don't think that book of revelation showed what was going to happen back then. It is future and a warning to those of us (and them back then).

The Lord's Day is mentioned explicitly in Revelations; in Acts 20:7 it is established as the day formpreaching and worship.

The identification of the First Day with the Lord's daynalso appears in the apocryphal Gospel of Peter, which I consider to be the most orthodox and edifying of the NT apocrypha.
 
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The "Lord's Day" is not when he rose from the grave. Many places in scripture talk about the day of YHVH and it is a future date of judgement:


1Th_5:2 For you yourselves know very well that the day of יהוה comes as a thief in the night.

2Pe_2:9thenיהוה knows how to rescue the reverent ones from trial and to keep the unrighteous unto the day of judgment, to be punished,

2Pe_3:10 But the day of יהוה shall come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with intense heat, and the earth and the works that are in it shall be burned up.

2Pe_3:12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of Elohim, through which the heavens shall be destroyed, being set on fire, and the elements melt with intense heat!

Rev_1:10 I came to be in the Spirit on the Day of יהוה, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,


These are but a few examples. The Lord's Day is not sunday by any means but it is when Elohim will judge this world. Twisting scripture by making it something else and ABROGATING AN ETERNAL LAW is utter rediculous and blasphemous.

The sabbath was, is, and will always be on the 7th day. Christians don't get their own special day to make them feel distinct:


Exo_12:49 "There is one Torah for the native-born and for the stranger who sojourns among you."

Isa_66:23 "And it shall be that from New Moon to New Moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me," declares יהוה.
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No, John was seeing a vision of the future. He saw all of revelation take place which is the DAY OF YHVH



No, this violates scriptural threads. Scripture interpreits scripture and if you alter the meanings you arrive at wrong conclusions like most do on this issue. This is by far one of the easier ones to see in scripture that its talking about the day of YHVH.
Got any proof that "Scripture interprets Scripture?"
 
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Where does scripture refer to this? That is a wrong assumption.



Surely you don't think that book of revelation showed what was going to happen back then. It is future and a warning to those of us (and them back then).
While it is not doctrinal, many believe that Revelation talks about the distruction of the Temple in 70 AD.
 
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1 million AD and telling him to write letters to seven churches?

You really think the 2nd coming is that far off? Yikes dude.

What is your religious affiliation?

No denomination (division). Just a believer in YHVH and His Word and have the testimony of Yeshua.

Got any proof that "Scripture interprets Scripture?"

O M G really?

The Lord's Day is mentioned explicitly in Revelations; in Acts 20:7 it is established as the day formpreaching and worship.

There was nothing established here. Basing doctrine on one verse and say it changes eternal commandments is so wrong it isnt even funny.
 
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Father Alexander Schmemann, memory eternal was the dean and professor of liturgical theology at St. Vladimir's Seminary, the most esteemed English language seminary in Orthodox Christianity. His illustrious predecessor was Fr. Georges Florovsky, memory eternal, and his successors include Fr. Thomas Hopko, memory eternal, and currently Fr. John Behr. His work The Life of the World is considered a masterpiece of liturgical theology, and is widely read by Protestand and Catholic theologians as well as by the Orthodox.

Here is what he has to say on the sacred, mystical importance of Sabbath and the Lord's Day:

From the beginning Christians had their own day, and it is in its peculiar nature that we find the key to the Christian experience of time. To recover it, however, we must go beyond Constantine's legislation which, by instituting Sun day as the compulsory, weekly day of rest, made it the Christian substitute for the Jewish Sabbath. After that the unique and paradoxical significance of the Lord's Day was little by little forgotten. And yet its significance came pre cisely from its relation to the Sabbath, that is, to the whole biblical understanding of time. In the Jewish religious experience Sabbath, the seventh day, has a tremendous importance: it is the participation by man in, and his affirma tion of, the goodness of God's creation. "And God saw it was good. . . . And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made" (Gn. 1:25, 2:3). The seventh day is thus the joyful acceptance of the world created by God as good. The rest prescribed on that day, and which was somehow obscured later by petty and legalistic prescriptions and taboos, is not at all our modern "relaxation," an absence of work. It is the active participation in the "Sabbath delight," in the sacredness d fullness of divine peace as the fruit of all work, as the crowning of all time. It has thus both cosmic and eschatological connotations.

Yet this "good" world, which the Jew blesses on the seventh day, is at the same time the world of sin and revolt against God, and its time is the time of man's exile and alienation from God. And, therefore, the seventh day points beyond itself toward a new Lord's Day-the day of salva tion and redemption, of God's triumph over His enemies. In the late Jewish apocalyptic wntmgs there emerges the idea of a new day which is both the eighth-because it is beyond the frustrations and limitations of "seven," the time of this world-and the first, because with it begins the new time, that of the Kingdom. It is from this idea that grew the Christian Sunday.

Christ rose from the dead on the first day after Sabbath. The life that shone forth from the grave was beyond the inescapable limitations of "seven," of time at leads to death. It was thus the beginning of a new life and of a new time. It was truly the eighth and the first day and it became the day of the Church. The risen Christ, according to the fourth Gospel, appeared to His disciples on the first day (Jn. 20:19) and then "after eight days" (20:26). This is the day on which the Church celebrates the Eucharist-the sacrament of its ascension to the Kingdom and of its participation at the messianic banquet in the "age to come," the day on which the Church fulfills itself as new life. The earliest documents mention that Christians meet statu die on a fixed day-and nothing in the long history of Chris tianity could alter the importance of this fixed day.

A "fixed day." . . . If Christianity were a purely "spiritual" and eschatological faith there would have been no need for a "fixed day," because mysticism has no interest in time. To save one's soul one needs, indeed, no "calendar." And if Christiani were but a new "religion," it would have established its calendar, with the usual opposition be tween the "holy days" and the "profane days"-those to be "kept" and "observed" and those religiously insignificant. Both understandings did in fact appear later. But this was not at all the original meaning of the "fixed day." It was not meant to be a "holy day" opposed to profane ones, a commemoration in time of a past event. Its true meaning was in the transformation of time, not of calendar. For, on the one hand, Sunday remained one of the days (for more than three centuries it was not even a day of rest) , the first of the week, fully belonging to this world.

Yet on the other hand, on that day, through the eucharistic ascension, the Day of thee Lord was revealed and manifested in all its glory and transforming power as thr end of this world, as the be ginning of the world to come. And thus through that one day all days, all time were transformed into t es of re membrance and expectation, remembrance of this ascen sion, Cwe have seen the t e light") and expectation of its coming. All days, all hours were now referred to this end of all "natural" life, to the beginning of the new life. The week was no longer a sequence of "profane" days, with rest on the "sacred" day at their end. It was now a move ment from Mount Tabor into the world, from the world into the "day without evening" of the world to come. Eve day, every hour acquired now an importance, a gravi it could not have had befote: each day was now to be a step in this movement, a moment of decision and wit ness, a time of ult afe meaning. Sunday therefore was not a "sacred" day to be "observed" apart from all other days and opposed to them. It did not interrupt time with a "timeless" mystical ecstasy. It was not a "break" in an othe ise meaningless sequence of days and nights. By re maining one of the ordinary days, and yet by revealing itself through the Eucharist as e eighth and first day, it gave all days their true meaning. It made the time of this world a time of the end, and it made it also the time of the beginning.


I believe this very elegantly explains the liturgical, cosmological and eschatological importance of both the Sabbath and the Lord's Day, as representing the Omega of the first Creation and the Alpha of the new Creation. God rested in a tomb on the Sabbath before rising from the dead in glory to set into motion the World to Come and open to us the gates of Salvation.
His work The Life of the World is considered a masterpiece of liturgical theology, and is widely read by Protestand and Catholic theologians as well as by the Orthodox.
It's to bad they didn't read this instead, it's worth more, and I don't think you can do anything but agree.
Matthew chapter 4 verse 4
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
Romans chapter 1 verse 28
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
2 John
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
Job chapter 23 verse 12
I have not departed from the commands of his lips; I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my daily bread.
Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Luke chapter 21
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Romans chapter 10
17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
 
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Scripture repeatedly refers to Sunday as the Lord's Day, so alas, its not blasphemous to refer to Sunday as the Lord's Day, any more than it is blasphemous to refer to Saturday as the Sabbath.
Could you post those 'repeated' scriptures? Thanx...
 
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Got any proof that "Scripture interprets Scripture?"
How's this... how do we know what a beast represents in Revelation? We go to the book of Daniel where Gabriel tells Daniel that the beasts he saw were several kings/kingdoms, Babylon, Medo Persia, Greece, etc....

No need to thank me, it's my pleasure. :oldthumbsup:
 
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