Fossil Challenge for Evolutionists

[marineimaging]

As I said, people will believe what they want to believe. I cannot fully express how much I enjoy not having to waste another moment wondering. I know God and enjoy knowing that I am eternal through the sacrifice made by Jesus, His only begotten son. It stopped being a question of belief and became a matter of fact a few years ago. I pray it happens to you as well.

 

[lifepsyop]

Nope, its plain old ignorance.

User VirOptimus is disrupting this thread.

I get that the subject may be uncomfrotable for you, but either respond with an argument to the OP or quit trying to derail it before it's reached page 2.

 

[bhsmte]

I'm not here to educate you.

Does this mean you refuse to support your claim?

 

[bhsmte]

As I said, people will believe what they want to believe. I cannot fully express how much I enjoy not having to waste another moment wondering. I know God and enjoy knowing that I am eternal through the sacrifice made by Jesus, His only begotten son. It stopped being a question of belief and became a matter of fact a few years ago. I pray it happens to you as well.

Some people believe what they want to believe, or what is most comforting to them personally.

Not all people's minds work this way though. Some folks, tend to seek reliable and independent evidence, to support what they believe to be true.

 

[Speedwell]

As I said, people will believe what they want to believe. I cannot fully express how much I enjoy not having to waste another moment wondering. I know God and enjoy knowing that I am eternal through the sacrifice made by Jesus, His only begotten son. It stopped being a question of belief and became a matter of fact a few years ago. I pray it happens to you as well.

Amen. but it has nothing to do with the theory of evolution.

 

[marineimaging]

That's just creationist propaganda. It's not actually true.

I apologize for having hijacked the OP's intent. We can't reason faith, and don't need to. Have a blessed day.

 

[marineimaging]

That's not true. The only way to accept a young Earth is to flat out ignore findings in every branch of the natural sciences, among other things.

Heck, even the Institute for Creation Research (a YEC organization) admits to hundreds of millions of years worth of radioactive decay per the findings in their RATE project.

The only way to believe in a Young Earth is to fundamentally reject an objective universe; which means rejecting the basis on which scientific inquiry is performed.

Or, find faith which cannot be explained by reason.

 

[lifepsyop]

I think you are confusing "predicts" with "is confirmed by" or "is consistent with."

If a thing "is consistent with" what you expected according to your theory, then you should have, in principle, been able to predict it beforehand.

In other words, you cannot claim "we expected that" without also claiming that you could have predicted it to some degree of specificity beforehand. The two go hand in hand. Unless you can demonstrate otherwise.

In any case, your point is only semantic and avoiding the substance of the OP. I await your thoughts on the subject.

 

[pitabread]

Considering that the YEC is a fee-based organization, by invitation only, and must be under 45 y.o.a., I don't know of any mature Christian who has achieved a walk with the Lord that would be impressed by those credentials.

...

Wut?

 

[marineimaging]

Amen. but it has nothing to do with the theory of evolution.

I apologize for hijacking the OP's original intent. Have a blessed day.

 

[Jimmy D]

The "predictions" you talk about are based on knowledge of the fossil record, for example the discovery of Tiktaalik.

In other words, you cannot claim "we expected that" without also claiming that you could have predicted it to some degree of specificity beforehand. The two go hand in hand. Unless you can demonstrate otherwise.

So yes, Shubin et al can claim "we expected that".

Your fantastical imaginings, sorry "thought experiments", are not relevant in the real world.

 

[Speedwell]

It has everything to do with it.

How so? It seems to me to have only to do with a particular interpretation of Scripture.

 

[marineimaging]

How so? It seems to me to have only to do with a particular interpretation of Scripture.

I apologize for having hijacked the OP's original intent. Have a blessed day.

 

[pitabread]

Lucifer can just as easily plant bone fragments to lead people on a path of disbelief as he did when taking Jesus to the top of the mountain.

Wait, are you actually suggesting fossils were planted by Satan?

 

[Jimmy D]

Lucifer can just as easily plant bone fragments to lead people on a path of disbelief as he did when taking Jesus to the top of the mountain. Take this thought on a journey and see where you end up.

Sounds unconvincing and far fetched.

Maybe Lucifer started all this Young Earth Creationist nonsense to make "bible believin" Christians look foolish and drive people away from Christianity.

 

[Speedwell]

Just a thought. I believe in creation and that takes me to a walk with God. God reminds me of His created angel, Lucifer. Lucifer departed heaven and was followed by 1/3rd of the angels who are all doomed to the eternal lake of fire. Meanwhile, they get to play games. The Word of God proves that. If Lucifer got to test the first two humans with his lies, and he was allowed to test Job, and even allowed to test God's only begotten son as well, then what makes you think that he (Lucifer) isn't allowed to test the rest of the world? People get smarter, start digging deeper, they are trying harder and harder to prove that God doesn't exist so that they don't have to follow His rules. So, Lucifer gets to hide bones for people to find and ultimately test their belief. What better to take the mind back to a false beginning than to follow the imaginary life-cycle of critters along the way of time? They can't be challenged because they can't speak. Their only language is that made up by men. The same men who say that a baby in the womb isn't a living creation..., and we are supposed to trust them? Lucifer can just as easily plant bone fragments to lead people on a path of disbelief as he did when taking Jesus to the top of the mountain. Take this thought on a journey and see where you end up.

All Satan could do with shenanigans like that is test people's belief in a literal and inerrant Genesis. It doesn't do anything to test belief in God or in our salvation in Christ.

 

[bhsmte]

It has everything to do with it.

How?

 

[Kenny'sID]

Keep in mind our thought experiment: You know all about living animal anatomy, but have zero prior knowledge of fossil appearances in the rock record. Therefore, these should be true predictions of the fossil record, supported with well-reasoned arguments.

We are not responsible for your education.

So, those who make certain claims aren't responsible for backing them up? Meaning also, an evolutionist can make any claim, and if they were asked to prove it, it's perfecly acceptable for the evolutionists to simply tell them they aren't responsible for their education?

Nope, its plain old ignorance.

Oh, really? And what a detailed explanation as to why it's ignorant. I guess it's just easier to expect someone to believe you without you educating them/telling them why they should. Guess what...they won't

Of course it's yours/their responsibility to explain why what they claim to be a fact is a fact, or in short..."for their education". That is if they expect anyone to take them seriously.

Jim says: "I just UPS'd a man to mars and am the first to ever do so!" Joe replies: "I didn't think that was possible, can you please show us how?" Jim responds, "I'm not responsible for your education".

 

[tas8831]

(Remember... Evolution theory supposedly "predicts" a specific order of fossils. So you should be able to argue for such a fossil order without prior knowledge of it.)

Remember a strawman?

So cool how you do these "thought experiments" and make up silly 'analogies' to avoid having to deal with evidence that you do not understand because of too much 'jargon' (which those in the know think of as field-appropriate terminology).

Here is a better thing to remember - nobody ever claimed to be able to predict a specific order of fossils. "Predictions" about fossils are now, when made, premised on a combined knowledge of the current fossil record and how evolution works.

A clear cut example is Shubin's prediction about the timeframe within which we should expect to find a fish-tetrapod transition.

Stop trying to "impress" people by pretending to know more than you do. It isn't working.

 

[tas8831]

I agree with your thinking.
WHEN did animals go from being totally blind to seeing?

How long did it take?
Which animal fossil shows that this even happened?

How did God create a fully formed man from dust? What process was used?
WHEN did this dust go from being dust to being a fully formed adult human male?

Many scientists are beginning to abandon the theory of evolution.

Cool myth, bro!