Red, you do not understand what you are saying. I am not doing Satan's work. If this split takes place you will eat your words, as you will see that this place will become one that bears much fruit.
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Red, you do not understand what you are saying. I am not doing Satan's work. If this split takes place you will eat your words, as you will see that this place will become one that bears much fruit.
That is the devil whispering in your ear as he did a third of the angels, fight him, dont let him use you for evil. You may be sending a true believer to the abyss of eternal death, we must keep them near the truth right up to the end, just as Judas was kept by Christ. We cannot decide who will or will not make the decision to accept Christ and eternal life, even if at the last second. Let them stay near the truth........
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Red, this is not about people. It is about ideas. It is about attitudes. It is about truth.
I have nothing more to say to you.
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The evil one has decieved you, his snare of emotions has led you help him divide the flock, it is only a matter of time before the others left behind are picked off. Pray that someone else doesnt come and decide that you dont belong in the flock and you are set aside in the wilderness with none of your brothers and sisters to help you in the time of need.........It is not about ideas, attitudes or truth, it is about letting God do his work and not throwing out those He is still working on......
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You have REPEATEDLY accused me of following after the evil one for seeking to do what is best for the members of this forum, and our church, and have thereby sought to put a curse on me through guilt. May the Lord put a thorn in your flesh for a time so that you may learn not to speak against his messenger in this way again.
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The whisperer of evil is who is telling you that you are doing what is 'best', but only God can deciede it, not you. The Spirit is the one trying to give truth and understanding to you as I can do nothing, set your emotions aside and listen to it. If you are fighting against God, you are not His messenger, but a agent of another. God wants us united like the 12, even if He is not able to save all 12, but let Him try..........
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It's neck and neck. Wow, we're almost split right down the middle on this.
What if it becomes a tie?
What if it becomes a tie?
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God is in control, guiding us through this storm, I will go and lay down and finish my sleep......
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If it is the Spirit that is speaking a split won't take place. If a split does take place then you should repent for presuming to speak for God.
We will find out in a few days.
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Telaquapacky
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" Fall 1994 - had enough of the b/s from nasty people in the SDA and left again, went back to occultism & the OTO" I think that says it all. Congratulations to the prim and proper SDA's who now are free from having a "heretic" in their church, or from having to be embarrassed by her words or behavior. Oh, we wouldn't want anything spoiling our church's perfect image, now would we?I was in it originally for almost 3 years. Then of course got taken over by demons etc. and left. Every time I have tried to come back to Christ it has been with/through the SDA church because I was convinced for the longest time they were THE only "true" church or only church teaching the TRUTH. When I started trying to seek God and leave occultism in 2004 I went back to the SDA church yet again.
I no longer feel that way though, no longer believe that, not since last year when all that stuff happened to me.
Quick chronology:
January 1981 - accepted Christ
March 1981 - joined SDA
Fall 1981 - went off to college @ SDA school
January 1982 - demonic seige began to be layed
Spring 1983 - demonic attack intensified and so did demonic seige
Fall 1983 - complete takeover
Winter 1983 - left college
Summer 1985 - tried to come back to the Lord for about a year, even got rebaptised, but it didn't work
January 1987 - rededication to Satan, ceremony to seal the sleeper in the citadel first performed
Fall 1991 - realized some things that really squicked me, went running for church again.
Summer 1992 - got delivered at campmeeting -- this was the time I've mentioned that by that time my mind had grown so utterly dependent upon demonic forces that after delivered I literally could not think -- could not formulate an independent thought about anything. It was very tiring and frustrating to me; I felt mindless and like I had no life & no future.
Fall 1994 - had enough of the b/s from nasty people in the SDA and left again, went back to occultism & the OTO
1998 - that which shall not be spoken of. *shudder*
January 2004 - started AGAIN trying to seek God and get out of the occult.
That's a quick rundown there. So in essence, time in SDA church is:
1981-1983 initial entry
1985-1986 trying to return to God
1991-1994 trying to return to God
2004-2006 ditto
all the rest of the time was spent as a dedicated occultist/Satanist
Although in 1991-1994 I had a great deal of trouble with my fragmented consciousness and my memories of this time are completely senseless. on one hand I remember putting aside all occult stuff & going to church etc. but on the other hand I remember dropping acid and partying and doing occult things too, and I don't know which memories are correct. I seem to have been leading a double life during that time WITHOUT consciously choosing to.
Those people will probably face God in the Judgment, and He will ask them where His daughter is- and their expressions will become clouded with dread, "She was your daughter?"
"Yes. She came to you for help. What did you say to her?"
My, oh my. I would not want to be in their shoes on that day!
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Yes, my brother, go in peace, you know I have nothing but love for you, even if I do have to preach 'hard' what I am given sometimes.....
Good night and have a wonderful Sabbath.....
Always your Brother in Christ
Red
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Yes, my brother, go in peace, you know I have nothing but love for you, even if I do have to preach 'hard' what I am given sometimes.....
Good night and have a wonderful Sabbath.....
Always your Brother in Christ
Red
Now you should have just said this instead of all of that other stuff.
Happy Sabbath to you too.
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Moriah_Conquering_Wind
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Wow ..... just WOW! ... you sure nailed that one! :o
At the time I almost was prevented or prohibited from having membership in the local church where I lived. Even though I had left behind the occult, etc. and had been delivered, AND rebaptized in front of HUNDREDS of people who had witnessed the deliverance, watched me burn my occult books in public right there at campmeeting, etc. -- most of the elders & the board voted against me because -- and yes, I QUOTE -- they "did not want demons in the church." Those were their exact words, as told to me by either the pastor or another elder (can't recall now) who was "on my side" so to speak and eventually persuaded them to let me have membership there. They did not want demons in the church. Whether that meant they thought I still had them, or whether they thought I WAS one, I'm not sure.
At the time I lived in a small town near the countryside. One of the church members kept goats and had a small farm, and around Halloween one of the goats went missing and was later found slaughtered. Do I need to finish this story or can you fill in the rest with your imagination?
An extremely attractive man -- married with several children -- who was well known, well liked, and active in the church there seduced me. He came to my house .... i did not stop him, that much is my fault and i readily admit .... but thing was, it was sin, and i knew it, and you see, owing to my past history with Lucifer there is a certain point at which i will begin involuntarily to call on His Name IF you get my drift without my needing to be X-rated here. Well when it came to that point it SPOOKED Mr. Seducer something FIERCE --
He was all, "Oh my god ... no, no don't ... please ... DON'T! oh God what have I done? Are you all right???"
and then of course the demon DID enter me (as they typically do at such times) and I threw back my head and laughed the longest, loudest, fiercest, most raucous laugh you could imagine and it scared the pants off him. He high-tailed it home to his wife.
Don't even get me started on the worst part of all -- the way the pastor's wife, who taught grades 4-5 at the church school -- treated my eldest daughter. NOTHING makes me see stars and spit nails faster than someone mistreating one of my kids ...
... and then to be in conference with them and have them repeatedly spin things at me and then when they had pushed enough buttons that I lost my temper, start insinuating that I was possessed ..... 
as if even if I were that would make my own feelings null and void ... dream on ...those are just a few floating near the tip of the iceberg....
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IntoTheCrimsonSky
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All I can really think to say right now is that I'm truely sorry you've had to experience all of this, Moriah.
My experiences in the past were never this extreme by far, although who can say if I hadn't picked up the Bible when I did. =\ Regardless, if you ever want to talk about stuff PM me, k? I think I can understand enough to be a support. An you seem like a really wonderful lady.
Blessings and Love,
Sarah
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