forum split

[woobadooba]

People, let's just stop this now. This thread is for voting, not arguing. Please respect my original request not to debate in here. I realize that I went off a little too, so I am not without fault. But at this time I am asking that we stop arguing in here, and just allow people to vote without conflict.

 

[Endium]

I would vote for a split, but only if it can be confirmed that the forums will be named appropriately, i.e. SDA Forum and Progressive SDA Forum. Knowing how things go around here, something like that probably won't be decided without 20 different votes, however is it possible to confirm this before the end of the vote?

 

[OntheDL]

What would you do after the split if again there is contention among you? Cast them out again?

If you believe you have the truth, then effectively you are saying they can go to hell or live in the darkness with what they want to believe. Is this the Lord commission you to do?

God set us as a light to the world and the watchmen to the house of Israel.

Ezekiel 33

6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand. 7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

AMP
James 5
19 [My] brethren, if anyone among you strays from the Truth and falls into error and another [person] brings him back [to God],
20 Let the [latter] one be sure that whoever turns a sinner from his evil course will save [that one's] soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins [procure the pardon of the many sins committed by the convert].

The things you have seen are foretold by inspiration. How are you troubled and not prepared for it?

2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, ...

Didn't Jesus say "you shall be hated by all men for my name sake"?

If you can not endure this, what hope do you have to endure the time of Jacob's Trouble?

Lest we forget what God has commissioned us to do. We are not to convert anyone or reach an agreement.

We are to preach the message of repentance and to warn the house of Israel. So when they come to pass, they will "know I AM the LORD thy God".

If you still believe EGW was a messenger of God, you need to take counsel of the SOP. It gave solemn warnings against splitting and leaving the church.

I believe you are making a grave mistake by wanting to forsake the asembly of God. The wheat and tares shall grow together to the very end.

Please pray about it and reconsider your decision. Such decision shall not be made in haste or by emotion.

May God bless you and guide you!

 

[thecountrydoc]

Happy Sabbath my Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

I have been watching this storm gathering I'm sorry to say. Because of several considerations that need to be well thought out, and the fact that it is almost Sabbath here on the West Coast of California, I will not cast my vote until Sunday.

I have been contacted by some to let me know their position and I hope that none will be upset that I will not reply to your PMs until Sunday also.

Over the years, no matter how large or how small a staff I had, I have always made it a point to tell everyone that a requirment for employment is that you must check your ego at the door each day when you come to work.

See you all on Sunday.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[icedtea]

If this poll is like the others, only Adventists can vote. This one might be different though, but I don't see why it would be.

HowardDean, I'm curious though, do you think the constant debate is worse than having a split? Don't you think it conveys the wrong message?

I'm really just curious, I'm not trying to change your mind about anything.

Wouldn't it totally confuse you as someone coming in here to ask questions if you got two COMPLETELY different answers about what the Adventist church teaches?

I have a good answer here. I attended (and am trying to keep attending) eastern orthodox church.
I have been non denom for 29 years.
Many had said If protestantism is correct, how can it split off into so many different denoms.
I realized they had a point.
God's church shouldn't be divided (the orthodox have been around same since Pentecost).
God wants an undivided church. All these continual splits (in protestantism) make it seem this is not God's way.

 

[icedtea]

Oh, if this vote was only for sda's, then forgive me and erase my vote.

 

[woobadooba]

I have a good answer here. I attended (and am trying to keep attending) eastern orthodox church.
I have been non denom for 29 years.
Many had said If protestantism is correct, how can it split off into so many different denoms.
I realized they had a point.
God's church shouldn't be divided (the orthodox have been around same since Pentecost).
God wants an undivided church. All these continual splits (in protestantism) make it seem this is not God's way.

But who is to say that one of those denominations isn't more correct than the rest of them, and that that denomination may have members within it that really aren't of it, yet, they are there?

I think we should examine the eastern orthodox church, to see if they really have more truth than we do. If they don't, what then will you do?

 

[woobadooba]

Looks like I digressed again. Sorry about that.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

What is the point of this poll? We already have separate sub-forums and new forums need to be brought about by going to the CF management and requesting a new forum if there are enough people interested. So is the point of this to see if the Traditionals want to have their own seperate forum. Woob has never struck me as progressive so it does not seem that he means for the Progressive SDA's to have their own forum.

Unless people put a little more thought into these polls they are just a waste of everybody's time.

 

[NightEternal]

DL this is not a church it is a forum.

We are violating nothing by wanting to split.

Must be nice to already have designated yourself to be 'wheat' BTW. I suppose don't have to guess who you regard as the 'tares'.

 

[SassySDA]

Every time I come back here, I continue to be amazed.

If I could have voted 1,000,000 times to split, I would have taken the time to do so.

As Woob stated, "I'm done." I've been "done" for a very long time.

I joined the Seventh-day Adventist Church. That's the name of it, not "Progressive, Branch Davidian, etc. etc.". The title of this forum is "Seventh-day Adventist". This is as it should remain, let Erwin give the "Progressives" or whatever they choose to call themselves their own forum, and let them call it what they will. It should make them happy, yet it isn't. I guess that's because they are wondering who they will argue with, but that's not my concern.

I'm glad this poll was done, and I'm glad it's final, whichever way it goes. But if the vote ends up being "not to split", I won't be here. That's ok, I'm not saying people should fall to their knees grieving my absence, I merely mean to say that I truly am DONE with the arguing, bickering, debating over every last little thing. I won't come here to read that or participate in it any more.

P.S.

Icedragon, I will not be replying to your PM asking me why I changed my vote. I read some very rude things that you had posted, and a moderator has to be above reproach...end of discussion.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I'm sick of hearing one person here constantly demonizing the others. It's exactly that sort of smug self-righteous twaddle that drove me out of the SDA church to begin with.

 

[icedtea]

How long were you in it? Was that the only denom you ever went to or experienced?
I went once, it was very small (30 people at the most) but the pastor definitely had a calling.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I was in it originally for almost 3 years. Then of course got taken over by demons etc. and left. Every time I have tried to come back to Christ it has been with/through the SDA church because I was convinced for the longest time they were THE only "true" church or only church teaching the TRUTH. When I started trying to seek God and leave occultism in 2004 I went back to the SDA church yet again.

I no longer feel that way though, no longer believe that, not since last year when all that stuff happened to me.

Quick chronology:
January 1981 - accepted Christ
March 1981 - joined SDA
Fall 1981 - went off to college @ SDA school
January 1982 - demonic seige began to be layed
Spring 1983 - demonic attack intensified and so did demonic seige
Fall 1983 - complete takeover
Winter 1983 - left college
Summer 1985 - tried to come back to the Lord for about a year, even got rebaptised, but it didn't work
January 1987 - rededication to Satan, ceremony to seal the sleeper in the citadel first performed
Fall 1991 - realized some things that really squicked me, went running for church again.
Summer 1992 - got delivered at campmeeting -- this was the time I've mentioned that by that time my mind had grown so utterly dependent upon demonic forces that after delivered I literally could not think -- could not formulate an independent thought about anything. It was very tiring and frustrating to me; I felt mindless and like I had no life & no future.
Fall 1994 - had enough of the b/s from nasty people in the SDA and left again, went back to occultism & the OTO
1998 - that which shall not be spoken of. *shudder*
January 2004 - started AGAIN trying to seek God and get out of the occult.

That's a quick rundown there. So in essence, time in SDA church is:
1981-1983 initial entry
1985-1986 trying to return to God
1991-1994 trying to return to God
2004-2006 ditto

all the rest of the time was spent as a dedicated occultist/Satanist
Although in 1991-1994 I had a great deal of trouble with my fragmented consciousness and my memories of this time are completely senseless. on one hand I remember putting aside all occult stuff & going to church etc. but on the other hand I remember dropping acid and partying and doing occult things too, and I don't know which memories are correct. I seem to have been leading a double life during that time WITHOUT consciously choosing to.

 

[JonMiller]

I am sorry that our church hasn't done right by you Moriah.

JM

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Not since the very beginning, JM. Not since the very beginning has it EVER done right by me. I have been more mistreated by SDAs than any other group of people on the face of the earth.

Don't worry I don't intend to "get started" with a detailed roster here.

 

[JonMiller]

Are we going to keep voting on a split until it happens?

JM

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I don't know who these people are who don't want one. HOW could they not want one?

 

[woobadooba]

Are we going to keep voting on a split until it happens?

JM

The poll is set up for four days. At the end of that time period it will be determined what we will do.

 

[reddogs]

The poll is set up for four days. At the end of that time period it will be determined what we will do.

That leaves four days to do the right thing, to keep Gods believers together, even if there is a one who is under evils spell. Withdraw from doing Satans bid to divide and take the hindmost, as you never know if someday you may be the one in the rear, needing the help and strenght of those you tried to seperate from the herd, as evil comes for you........