forum split

[icedtea]

Has it been, what a hundred times you have mentioned your 'personal experience"?
Its like a broken record.
promoting for sure.

 

[mva1985]

Satanism is not being "promoted".
I do not promote "Satanism" I do not even BELIEVE IN "Satanism".
YOU get a clue; you are misrepresenting and mischaracterizing me in your mad witchhunt.

ALL I have done is share my personal experience.
My personal experience is what it is; it is not a "religion" and I do not "promote" it as one.
I simply refuse to LIE about myself PRECISELY BECAUSE it is NOT my intent to deceive or harm ANYONE regardless of what you might think.

Moriah,

From the things you have posted and which I have read it would seem at the least that you are being tormented by a demon.

 

[djconklin]

The key word in her post was "promoting." Merely recounting a personal experience isn't promoting. I can't imagine anyone reading what she has been going through would want to live like that as well. Like when my friends see how I get treated here they don't want to become Christians, much less SDA's.

 

[icedtea]

Recounting it over and over is promoting.
crying out she is a harlot is not personal experience nor some personal insults I have read toward a brother.

 

[DarylFawcett]

If it is the devil who wants to see the forum split up via posts by Moriah_Conquering_Wind and possibly a few other people, then by conducting this vote, and, if the split side wins, then those voting for the split are inadvertently playing into the devil's deceptive hands.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

The key word in her post was "promoting." Merely recounting a personal experience isn't promoting. I can't imagine anyone reading what she has been going through would want to live like that as well. Like when my friends see how I get treated here they don't want to become Christians, much less SDA's.

Isn't it awful? I can think of quite a few people whom, if seeing this forum, would simply confirm why they do not want any part of Christianity.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Isn't it awful? I can think of quite a few people whom, if seeing this forum, would simply confirm why they do not want any part of Christianity.

I couldn't agree more, but I'm not sure how keeping this forum together could possibly rectify that problem.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

I couldn't agree more, but I'm not sure how keeping this forum together could possibly rectify that problem.

In my honest opinion, split or no split, I think the only thing that can rectify the problem is The Spirit changing our hearts in how we react to and see eachother.

 

[StormyOne]

In my honest opinion, split or no split, I think the only thing that can rectify the problem is The Spirit changing our hearts in how we react to and see eachother.

you would be correct...

 

[reddogs]

If it is the devil who wants to see the forum split up via posts by Moriah_Conquering_Wind and possibly a few other people, then by conducting this vote, and, if the split side wins, then those voting for the split are inadvertently playing into the devil's deceptive hands.

I woke up with that realization with a start, as I heard the words "Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life...", ring in my head from a DVD my wife must have put in while I was asleep, and I went to write about it, but saw the poll and felt impressed that was what I had to write on....


Many Disciples Desert Jesus


47Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48I am that bread of life.
49Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
52The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
59These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? 71He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

 

[DarylFawcett]

Amen to that reddogs!

By the way, a tie vote means that the forums would NOT split, however, I would like to go a step further that a decision either way should be based on more than a one vote majority. As we are doing for electing moderators, I would say at least as 2/3s (66.67%) vote should be required in these POLL results, especially on something as major as this.

 

[woobadooba]

Amen to that reddogs!

By the way, a tie vote means that the forums would NOT split, however, I would like to go a step further that a decision either way should be based on more than a one vote majority. As we are doing for electing moderators, I would say at least as 2/3s (66.67%) vote should be required in these POLL results, especially on something as major as this.

No Daryl, it is too late for this. The poll has been put up already, and no rule states that it must be thus. Even if you make a rule now, because the poll went up before it goes into effect, it won't count towards the poll.

There are still those of us that would like to see a split take place, we need to be fair here.

 

[DarylFawcett]

I am not certain the creator of a POLL should be establishing the rules of any POLL that would affect us such as this one is, therefore, if this POLL only passes my a squeak by majority, we will need to discuss whether or not this is a clear enough mandate to actually do a forum split.

I am proposing we look at establishing some POLL rules for POLLS similar to this in the wiki.

 

[woobadooba]

I am not certain the creator of a POLL should be establishing the rules of any POLL that would affect us such as this one is, therefore, if this POLL only passes my a squeak by majority, we will need to discuss whether or not this is a clear enough mandate to actually do a forum split.

I am proposing we look at establishing some POLL rules for POLLS similar to this in the wiki.

No Daryl. You will not have it your way. No rule will impact this poll unless it was put into effect prior to going up. I will consult Erwin on this if I have to.

 

[DarylFawcett]

It isn't my way, it's the fair way, which I am quite certain would also be Erwin's take on this.

 

[longhair75]

There is also the matter of non-eligible voters to be considered before either side of this question can declare a victory

 

[woobadooba]

It isn't my way, it's the fair way, which I am quite certain would also be Erwin's take on this.

Fair to who? Those that voted against it? How is that fair?

 

[OntheDL]

There is also the matter of non-eligible voters to be considered before either side of this question can declare a victory

What's rule for this vote? Same as the moderator's? What does it need? a simple majority?

Sorry you have to go through this mess. Thanks for all the help!

 

[longhair75]

What's rule for this vote? Same as the moderator's? What does it need? a simple majority?

Sorry you have to go through this mess. Thanks for all the help!

Friend OntheDL,

Your fourm specific rules as stated in the current Wiki snapshot do not address the issue at all. At the official level, the only majority requirement stated is the 70% margin necessary for a successful Moderator election.

It is possible that this poll will confirm that SDA would like to split, and that this split will still be denied by the Administration due to the narrow majority. I am merely a lowly Moderator, and as such have no say in this.

 

[TrustAndObey]

For every other poll (other than mods) we have agreed that 50%+ is enough to win the majority vote...because in essence, that's exactly what it is, the majority.

We've had close votes before and this was never an issue before.

I think the 16 (well 15) of us that were eligible to vote for the split, and did, could present our case to Admin. Well, look around. Our case is EVERYWHERE! Unfortunately.

There are 15 of us that are miserable. If we end up being the majority, then I think it should stand. Either way, it needs to stand. This is how we've done it in the past and to suddenly have an objection to it is a little telling (IMHO).

I think (hope) we've all been praying about this, and we need to consider it God's will if the split does happen.