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For anyone who doesn't like Secular music...

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Jedi Penguins said:
I have another article for you to read.
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Very well put. The Xian community is very boxed in and they believe if they leave their little box of security, all hell will break loose and suddenly, "We're backsliding! Nooooo! God save us!!!!" which is probably the most true comment of the year. If someone is that weak that they can't leave their little box or they feel they will fall away from Christ, then they aren't a strong Xian at all and need to work on that part of their life. Otherwise they will just continue to preach at other Xians instead of listening to God when he says to preach the word to the non-believers.

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The article was very accurate; IMO the christian subculture should be abolished. However, I think discernment is needed when listening to the spiritual stance of bands that openly hate the true Jesus. The passage quoted from Bad Religion seemed like little more than a mockery of Christ.
 
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blackwasp said:
The passage quoted from Bad Religion seemed like little more than a mockery of Christ.

Ok, try to understand this. The point isn't whether or not the writer meant to mock Christ or not. The point is that the song resonated with the listeners existing beliefs. What Bad Religion thinks about Christ is irrelevent here. God isn't going to judge me, as the listener, according to what THEY believe or say in their music. Neither will THEY be judged by what I think when I listen. God gave us minds to use, not to put up on a shelf and let others spoon-feed us our perspectives.

Is this really so hard to understand? :confused:
 
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Grover143 said:
Ok, try to understand this. The point isn't whether or not the writer meant to mock Christ or not. The point is that the song resonated with the listeners existing beliefs. What Bad Religion thinks about Christ is irrelevent here. God isn't going to judge me, as the listener, according to what THEY believe or say in their music. Neither will THEY be judged by what I think when I listen. God gave us minds to use, not to put up on a shelf and let others spoon-feed us our perspectives.

Is this really so hard to understand? :confused:
I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying at all. I just think that that particular lyric was pretty blatant in its meaning.
 
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blackwasp said:
I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying at all. I just think that that particular lyric was pretty blatant in its meaning.

Gotcha!! :D

Then we agree to agree! ;)

I'm not really interested in debating the intention behind the BR lyric. I'm just trying to get people to understand that as believers it's ok to pay attention to and enjoy art/music that was created by people who don't necessarily share our beliefs. It's like saying I can't go to a restauraunt and order a steak unless the chef is christian, and the grill it was cooked on was owned by Billy Graham.
 
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Blazin4Christ said:
does not anyone understand bands like U2, P.O.D., LP, Evanescence are simply not right and you just can't be listening to it if you are a tru Christian at Heart
man i like all those bands....i must be goin straight to heck for listening to them, ya know? im like totally not a christian cause i listen to LP, ya know its true. i should be sitting at home all day listenin to hymns and stuff like that cause a christian isnt allowed to have fun or do what he wants ta do. hes gotta go with the big group.
 
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Grover143 said:
Gotcha!! :D

Then we agree to agree! ;)

I'm not really interested in debating the intention behind the BR lyric. I'm just trying to get people to understand that as believers it's ok to pay attention to and enjoy art/music that was created by people who don't necessarily share our beliefs. It's like saying I can't go to a restauraunt and order a steak unless the chef is christian, and the grill it was cooked on was owned by Billy Graham.
I think people have misinterpreted my posts in this thread. Although I have supported Preacher, it is mainly because the secular argument has not been the best in this thread and many posts have been made scoffing rather than posting any relevant information.

Btw, I was warned a few months ago for starting a thread claiming Billy Graham to be a heretic, therefore, I would avoid BG's fictional restaurant!
 
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To be perfectly honest Preachers, and his supporters(that made me laugh) arguments have not been the best either. I think both sides could have done a better job, myself included, but it is too late for that now.

I'm not the only one that is not the biggest fan of Billy Graham, I'm impressed.
 
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Blazin4Christ said:
does not anyone understand bands like U2, P.O.D., LP, Evanescence are simply not right and you just can't be listening to it if you are a tru Christian at Heart
Gosh better darn me to heckfire then, huh?

And really, do you know ANYTHING about U2 AT ALL? Bono might as well be my spiritual role model - forget these 'approved' Christians who do their thing on TV and rake in millions to build their megachurch; Bono states what he believes and lives it. That's something I can admire, respect, and look up to.
 
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Axver said:
Gosh better darn me to heckfire then, huh?

And really, do you know ANYTHING about U2 AT ALL? Bono might as well be my spiritual role model - forget these 'approved' Christians who do their thing on TV and rake in millions to build their megachurch; Bono states what he believes and lives it. That's something I can admire, respect, and look up to.

How dare you admire teh evil that is Bono, you Satan child. Ha!
 
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I haven't really go involved much in the threads on this topic for two reasons:

1 - PreacherFergy's (et al) argument is weak.
2 - The level of debate has been pretty poor.

One thing this thread has done for me however was to make me investigate what scripture says about the freedom we have as christians.

Col 2:20-23
Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: " Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

Gal 2:3-5
Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. This matter arose because some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves. We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might remain with you.

Galatians 5:1
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

And to quote John Calvin on Gal 2:3-5 - 'We here see the necessity of vindicating our liberty when, by the unjust exactions of false apostles, it is brought into danger with weak consciences...There is nothing plainer than this rule, that we are to use our liberty if it tends to the edification of our neighbour, but if inexpedient for our neighbour, we are to abstain from it. There are some who pretend to imitate this prudence of Paul by abstinence from liberty, while there is nothing for which they less employ it than for purposes of charity.'

Paul talked of Pharisees who wished to enslave other Christians because they were jealous of their freedom in Christ. How much of this have we seen in these threads? We must be wary that we are not like the Pharisee in the parable who said 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men'.

Christian liberty is a huge topic and certainly would need a thread (forum even) all of it's own. We obviously are not to use our freedom to indulge the sinful nature (Gal 5:13) but PreacherFergy or anyone else have certainly not convinced me that listening to secular music, or music by secular artists, is de facto sinful for a believer. Scripture just does not plainly state that it is so.

shalom,
Andy
 
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PreacherFergy said:
you make it seem as if debates couldn't be good unless you were a part of them :yawn:

This is yet another example of Preacher flaming the post's author without even attempting to address the substance of the post.

Preacher, I submit that you're not even interested in debate. You know it all and we're just stupid I guess.
 
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Grover143 said:
This is yet another example of Preacher flaming the post's author without even attempting to address the substance of the post.

Preacher, I submit that you're not even interested in debate. You know it all and we're just stupid I guess.
You're greatly mistaken,

he was the one that said, "PreacherFergy's argument is weak." <---is this not flaming!?

He just made a statement and he didn't attempt to support it.
 
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PreacherFergy said:
you make it seem as if debates couldn't be good unless you were a part of them :yawn:
I'm flattered you think I lift the level of debate Fergy. Do you fancy engaging any of the points I made?

Andy
 
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