Fleeing to Mars not of God

[Hans Blaster]

Careful, you have no idea how low it can go

Sometimes I can feel it. I try not to go there since I have Christians in my life and I like them. You, not so much.

Same name. A bunch of religious nutballs dressed to the hilt

Nope.

So you want to pretend you could. OK

To the extent that there is any solid "claim" to debunk in the first place, sure. But the management here doesn't like "counter apologetics" or "blasphemy" or direct attacks on dogma, scripture, or theology. I can't really see how such an exercise could meet the limits placed here anyway.

Taking my life as an example, there are no miracles that happen that have or ever will be debunked. Try again

I can't say to the things you think are "miracles" in your life. I don't know you or care to.

God helps us with the weird thoughts thingie if we let Him

Your whole thread has been nothing but assertions of "truth" of your religious position. No real ethics have been discussed.

 

[Hans Blaster]

There is no ethics or morality without the Christian perspective as much as you might like to squash or make it go away. There is a word for ethics without God - wickedness.

Again more assertions. This time just baldly asserting that your thing is the only possible sorce of something important. The other 5 billion humans might beg to differ (and the entire philosophy of ethics and morality). It is becoming clear that you are not interested in reasoned arguments.

 

[truthpls]

What weapons specifically?

Information is a weapon. Also, the MERVs used to be up there and were weapons. With treaties and secrecy I doubt we have access to a list of actual weapons now up there. If history is any indication, we can be fairly certain there are or/and will be more.

 

[truthpls]

Sometimes I can feel it. I try not to go there since I have Christians in my life and I like them. You, not so much.

Not sure what you are talking about.

Nope.

To the extent that there is any solid "claim" to debunk in the first place, sure. But the management here doesn't like "counter apologetics" or "blasphemy" or direct attacks on dogma, scripture, or theology. I can't really see how such an exercise could meet the limits placed here anyway.

Fine, that works for me. Every time I have seen someone offer up a prophesy as false or vague or etc, it was shown to be something quite different though.

I can't say to the things you think are "miracles" in your life. I don't know you or care to.

I was not about to offer them anyhow. They do not need your stamp of approval

Your whole thread has been nothing but assertions of "truth" of your religious position. No real ethics have been discussed.

The ethics of wasting fortunes while neglecting the needs of people on earth, in a chicken little panic induced attempt to flee the planet are being discussed.

 

[Desk trauma]

Information is a weapon. Also, the MERVs used to be up there and were weapons. With treaties and secrecy I doubt we have access to a list of actual weapons now up there. If history is any indication, we can be fairly certain there are or/and will be more.

Speculative weapons then.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Not sure what you are talking about.

We were talking about how low my opinion of Christians and Christianity could go. It certainly has taken a great hit from my discovery of this site.

Fine, that works for me. Every time I have seen someone offer up a prophesy as false or vague or etc, it was shown to be something quite different though.

Some of the claimed prophesies aren't even prophesies.

I was not about to offer them anyhow. They do not need your stamp of approval

The ethics of wasting fortunes while neglecting the needs of people on earth, in a chicken little panic induced attempt to flee the planet are being discussed.

 

[truthpls]

Again more assertions.

No, that is the Christian position and God's position. Without Him we do not know right from wrong. People's ever changing touchy feely ideas of what is ethical or moral are worthless.

This time just baldly asserting that your thing is the only possible sorce of something important.

God is my thing? I would think we would say we are His children. Not that He is some thing

The other 5 billion humans might beg to differ (and the entire philosophy of ethics and morality). It is becoming clear that you are not interested in reasoned arguments.

On a Christian forum how would it be that the biblical perspective is not included in a debate of ethics or morality? The majority is always wrong. They were wrong about the tower of Babel. They were wrong about killing Jesus. etc

 

[truthpls]

Speculative weapons then.

No. Space is used in war. Ukraine would have been finished long ago if not for guidance and help from space. We also do not have any list of what is actually in every orbiting satellite. WOMD have been in space, that is history. Science advances, and it seems almost foolish to think that no weapons exist out there as we speak.

 

[truthpls]

We were talking about how low my opinion of Christians and Christianity could go. It certainly has taken a great hit from my discovery of this site.

I see. Maybe if I had of said that we should blow and funnel much more money into space and really continue to ignore the needs of people your estimation of Christians would have risen?

Some of the claimed prophesies aren't even prophesies.

Such as?

 

[Hans Blaster]

No, that is the Christian position and God's position. Without Him we do not know right from wrong. People's ever changing touchy feely ideas of what is ethical or moral are worthless.

Again, it is an assertion. It is not unique to you, but it is not universal nor proven true. You believe it to be true, and that's OK, but it doesn't necessarily make it so. Those of us who are not Christians have no reason to take your assertions about your god or religion being the deciding factor for us seriously and we don't. If you want less confrontational interaction you need to be less assertively confrontational in your assertions.

God is my thing? I would think we would say we are His children. Not that He is some thing

On a Christian forum how would it be that the biblical perspective is not included in a debate of ethics or morality? The majority is always wrong. They were wrong about the tower of Babel. They were wrong about killing Jesus. etc

Your whole post belonged inside some sort of theological discussion area. It is built upon the premise that something being done is not "of god". That is not an ethics question, but a religous one insted.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I see. Maybe if I had of said that we should blow and funnel much more money into space and really continue to ignore the needs of people your estimation of Christians would have risen?

How much money musk and his investors (suckers) put into "going to Mars" is not part of my opinion of Christians. The behavior of Christians like you, however, is.

Such as?

Wrong board.

 

[Desk trauma]

No.

Yes as that’s all you’re basing the existence of “the oodles” of weapon’s you say are up there on.

WOMD have been in space, that is history.

Which WMD was stationed in space?

 

[truthpls]

Again, it is an assertion.

No, Scripture is not assertion. He says He is the only way and that His thoughts are higher than man's etc.

It is not unique to you, but it is not universal nor proven true.

Or not.

You believe it to be true, and that's OK, but it doesn't necessarily make it so. Those of us who are not Christians have no reason to take your assertions about your god or religion being the deciding factor for us seriously and we don't. If you want less confrontational interaction you need to be less assertively confrontational in your assertions.

Ditto

Your whole post belonged inside some sort of theological discussion area. It is built upon the premise that something being done is not "of god". That is not an ethics question, but a religous one insted.

Ethically, many things are not of God. No news there. Now if you think the great sucking sound of untold billions of dollars going up a vacuum tube into space so to speak is ethical or of God, then make the case. Why sit there and whine about either my opinion on the matter or God's?

I notice Mars is in the news today

Next Nasa leader says he would prioritize US missions to Mars if confirmed

Billionaire Jared Isaacman has funded his own journeys into space and insists he would not abandon moon missions

www.theguardian.com

"

Next Nasa leader says he would prioritize US missions to Mars if confirmed​

The possible leader of Nasa said this
"Isaacman sketched out parts of his vision on creating a second foundation for human culture on Mars, terraforming the now-frozen orb, giving it the spark of life, and enabling each of the twin planets to rush to other globe’s aid if it faces a predicted doomsday asteroid strike or other civilization-crushing catastrophe."

Jared Isaacman Championed By Space Stars And Statesmen To Head NASA

A constellation of celebrated astronauts, statesmen and polestars of the NewSpace sector is heralding Jared Isaacman’s projected confirmation as the new director of NASA.

www.forbes.com

So it is not just a few odd billionaires who are on the chicken little bandwagon.

 

[Hans Blaster]

No, Scripture is not assertion.

Your prioritization of it certainly is. Just look at this assertion:

He says He is the only way and that His thoughts are higher than man's etc.

That's you asserting your god "He" is the "only way" based on some text I assume. None of this was needed to discuss the morality of Mars settlement and if you were serious about the topic you would have stuck to it. Alas, you didn't.

 

[truthpls]

Yes as that’s all you’re basing the existence of “the oodles” of weapon’s you say are up there on.


Which WMD was stationed in space?

MERVs Multiple nuclear warheads. So mankind has a known history of putting weapons in space. Despite your apparent idea that 'there is nothing to see here' it is wise to assume that national security for many countries includes space.

Example: "“As the president stated, we will prioritize sending American astronauts to Mars, and, along the way, we will inevitably have the capabilities to return to the moon and determine the scientific, economic and national security benefits of maintaining a presence,” he said."

Next Nasa leader says he would prioritize US missions to Mars if confirmed

Billionaire Jared Isaacman has funded his own journeys into space and insists he would not abandon moon missions

www.theguardian.com

The ICBMs also use space on their way to targets if I recall. Then there is the satellite killing technologies etc etc

 

[truthpls]

Your prioritization of it certainly is. Just look at this assertion:

That's you asserting your god "He" is the "only way" based on some text I assume. None of this was needed to discuss the morality of Mars settlement and if you were serious about the topic you would have stuck to it. Alas, you didn't.

I never said it, I quoted God. Why argue with Him?

 

[truthpls]

How much money musk and his investors (suckers) put into "going to Mars" is not part of my opinion of Christians. The behavior of Christians like you, however, is.

Wrong board.

It is not just Musk but Nasa etc. We know there is a national security aspect to it. Sorry, I do not agree with the idea.

 

[Desk trauma]

MERVs Multiple nuclear warheads.

Were on the ends of missiles in silos on earth.

So mankind has a known history of putting weapons in space. Despite your apparent idea that 'there is nothing to see here' it is wise to assume that national security for many countries includes space.

Example: "“As the president stated, we will prioritize sending American astronauts to Mars, and, along the way, we will inevitably have the capabilities to return to the moon and determine the scientific, economic and national security benefits of maintaining a presence,” he said."

Next Nasa leader says he would prioritize US missions to Mars if confirmed

Billionaire Jared Isaacman has funded his own journeys into space and insists he would not abandon moon missions

www.theguardian.com

Like I said, speculation.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I never said it, I quoted God. Why argue with Him?

Because I don't find his existence credible. Do you seriously not understand what it means that I don't believe in your god?

 

[Desk trauma]

I never said it, I quoted God. Why argue with Him?

You quoted what someone wrote down and said was what god said.