Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

[Apple Sky]

If they admit the earth is flat, then they must be telling the truth (according to you) and you must believe them. But you said you will never believe them. You're contradicting yourself.

It just goes to show how they are lying to the masses.

 

[Phil G]

It just goes to show how they are lying to the masses.

No, this is a publicly accessible document. The "masses" can read it and others like it. So either they are telling the alleged "truth" of a flat earth to the masses or their documents are not any such admission that the earth is flat.

 

[Apple Sky]

No, this is a publicly accessible document. The "masses" can read it and others like it.

But they don't do they ? Not many know about them.

 

[Phil G]

But they don't do they ? Not many know about them.

I found them with just a simple search on google, and on their own website no less. If NASA were admitting to a flat earth in these documents, would they leave the evidence on their own website? Especially if people like Dean Odle were distributing them to the masses?

The problem is Dean Odle has taken the document he showed out of context. It is not an admission of a flat earth but a removal of unnecessary what you call “gobbledygook equations” from already complex equations because the earth’s factual rotation & globe shape have negligible impact on those equations.

 

[Apple Sky]

I found them with just a simple search on google, and on their own website no less.

Only because you were told about them otherwise you'd have been none the wiser.

 

[Phil G]

Only because you were told about them otherwise you'd have been none the wiser.

It doesn’t matter, I searched and found them, & there was no restriction in reading them. The fact remains they are freely accessible to the public. If NASA were truly covering up their ‘knowledge’ of a flat earth and these documents confirmed it, then they would be top secret & completely inaccessible to the public.

They’re not top secret because they are not covering up any knowledge of a flat earth. The documents are no admission of any such thing. Therefore Dean Odle is conning people & preying on their ignorance.

 

[d taylor]

What will you do after you will learn its a globe?

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That is like asking what will you do when you learn that Eternal Life is received by works (repentance, baptism, obedience, etc..) and not belief in Jesus. It's just not conceivable.

 

[d taylor]

Again you are conflating globe earth evidence with evolution. I believe as my brother does, that God created the earth in six literal 24 hour days. And I believe the earth is a rotating globe. And the GREAT part of this is that one day you will know the truth.

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I know some of the truth now and if this is God's will. I will know more about His creation one day in the future.

 

[Phil G]

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I know some of the truth now and if this is God's will. I will know more about His creation one day in the future.

That is the same with all of us.

 

[prodromos]

It is the density of our bodies that stops us from flying & why things fall & float.

The above short video demonstrates how relative density requires a force to make things move in any direction.
They have an air filled balloon suspended from the ceiling of a car and a helium balloon tethered to the floor. When the car accelerates forward, the force causes the air filled balloon to move towards the back while the helium balloon moves towards the front. Without that force, both balloons stay in the same position. Without gravity, everything would "float" about until finding some equilibrium. There would be no pressure gradient in the atmosphere and no life anywhere in the universe.

 

[Gene2memE]

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Point of Robs video is in this example being: Gleason's map shows the accurate distances from the North Pole to Santiago and from the North Pole to Sydney, not the distance from Santiago to Sydney.

All that video demonstrates is that if you apply spherical world distance measurements and great circle flight paths to a flat earth map, you'll end up with a rough approximation of real world flight times.

In other worlds, he's (accidentally) showing that the flat earth map is completely wrong and that only great circle routes make sense.

It's an own goal.

 

[Apple Sky]

Antarctica

• June 26, 1945 - San Francisco United ...
• Solar parhelion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5pZMvTqpFs&t=0s
• Operation Dominic Christmas Island & ...
• Operation Fishbowl - High-Altitude We...
• Operation Dominic Sunset (1962)
• Night of the Northern Lights

The camera angle on the July 10, 1962, Operation Dominic SUNSET test provides one of the most spectacular views of the one-megaton thermonuclear blast near Christmas Island in the Pacific Proving Ground. The brilliant fireball is seen just above a huge atomic cloud, then seconds later, ice rings begin to form above the fireball. An incredible view emerges as an ice cap forms above the ice rings

Absolutely disgusting

 

[Apple Sky]

God's glorious throne

 

[trophy33]

That is like asking what will you do when you learn that Eternal Life is received by works (repentance, baptism, obedience, etc..) and not belief in Jesus. It's just not conceivable.

Its different, because one is salvation/theological issue, another one is just about the shape of the Earth, which is theologically irrelevant.

 

[d taylor]

Its different, because one is salvation/theological issue, another one is just about the shape of the Earth, which is theologically irrelevant.

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No both are dealing with truth from The Bible and both are also dealing with what man states.

So The Bible states
Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.
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Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

So man comes along and states these statements from The Bible are not actually true. The moon is not actually a created light, but a light reflector. Man says this not because any area of The Bible would cause a person to read Genesis 1:16 as saying light reflector. But because men of science state this.

Same way with verses from John which state many times Eternal Life is received by belief in Jesus. But no man comes along and states that is not true man must repent, be baptized, be obedient, etc...

 

[lifepsyop]

Its different, because one is salvation/theological issue, another one is just about the shape of the Earth, which is theologically irrelevant.

The specific shape of the earth may not be important for salvation (I wouldn't say any part of God's creation is irrelevant, otherwise he wouldn't have revealed it to us so often)

However, I would say there are some serious theological issues with modern cosmology more generally, and the naturalistic creation mythology that it presents via billions of years of "Cosmic Evolution"... Heliocentrism is the foundation for this mythology, and heliocentrism in turn fully relies on a belief in a globe earth.

Taken together, this mythology all leans toward giving glory to the processes of nature. One can tack on 'God' as the ultimate driver of cosmic evolution, but as most Big-Bang cosmology believers would tell you, God is unnecessary and simply an option of personal preference.

Modern cosmology makes God a mere option and usually inspires agnosticism and atheism. Its adherents are more interested in socially 'evolving' towards the exploration of an infinite Star-Trek universe, instead of humbling themselves before their Creator, repenting, and surrendering to the cross of Christ.

 

[Jipsah]

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He can not testify to a globe earth

If he's an astronomer, he certainl;y can. It's only those who are scared that looking at what God has actually done will ruin what they've always thought God did. Their ill-founded doctrine is more important to them than the truth. Sorry mate, but that's that's the long and the short of it. Y'all ain't about to let God interfere with your doctrine.

, all he can do is believe and repeat what he has been told.

Saith he who can only recite what his tiny denomination believes, and any evidence to the contrary, scriptural or scientific

Unless he is getting in a rocket and going high enough to see that the creation God created is a globe out in space.

Well, no. A telescope with a proper mount will demonstrate it quite nicely. But then you'd probab;y denounce a telescope as a liar and a tool of satan.

Well can you explain why these government documents mention a non rotating flat earth ?

They don't.

How would they know this by just observing the stars ?

The stars are, for all practical purposes, stationary. By observing them at different times and locations, you can determine the movement of the earth, and/or your location on the globe. (Scary thought, innit? But you mustn't look! Observing God's Creation directly might interfere with your doctrine, and we can't have that, can we?)

 

[Jipsah]

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No both are dealing with truth from The Bible

Nah, just the conclusion some folks (very few folks, in fact) draw from misreading/misunderstanding the Bible.

and both are also dealing with what man states.

And y'all are dealing with what man misunderstands.and declaring it to be the truth despite the testimony of God's creation itself.

So The Bible states
Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.

And He made everything else as well. So say we all.

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Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

Assuming they accept the silly notion that the earth is stationary and all of God's Creation rotates around it. Right?

So man comes along and states these statements from The Bible are not actually true.

They're not actually true. Just as saying that the sun rises and sets, when it in fact does no such thing, it's just how we talk. But thne you may assume that if I say "I turned into a parking lot" that I became a slab of asphalt. Same principle,

The moon is not actually a created light, but a light reflector.

And of course God was supposed to explain that to people thousands of years ago who'd have had no basis for understanding it at all. Right. And instead of sayng "the sun rose", He'd have said, "the earth revolved to the point where the light from the sun was visible from the horizon", just as we all say today to be literally accurate, right?

Man says this not because any area of The Bible would cause a person to read Genesis 1:16 as saying light reflector. But because men of science state this.

Men of science who looked at God's Creation and saw how it worked. No misinterpreting that, is there?

 

[Jipsah]

The specific shape of the earth may not be important for salvation

Y'all can take comfort at that. <Laugh>

(I wouldn't say any part of God's creation is irrelevant, otherwise he wouldn't have revealed it to us so often)

He revealed the shape of the earth in unmistakable fashion to anyone who isn't scared to actually look.

However, I would say there are some serious theological issues with modern cosmology more generally, and the naturalistic creation mythology that it presents via billions of years of "Cosmic Evolution"

Sorry, but that's simple rubbish.

... Heliocentrism is the foundation for this mythology, and heliocentrism in turn fully relies on a belief in a globe earth.

Which is an plainly observable fact, whch your curious pseudo-Christian, and, tbh, frighteningly dualistic, reading of the Scripture requires you to deny.

Taken together, this mythology all leans toward giving glory to the processes of nature.

Which are, in fact, designed by the Creator of Nature, God. Y'all are like the folks who prate about something that "defied the laws of Physics", not understanding that the Laws of Physics, like all other natural law, the Laws of God, part and parcel of His design.

It's like the incredibly dim question of "Who invented gravity?" The obvious answer being "the same God Who invented all of nature". You may not like the idea of gravity, or light, or the layout of the universe, but there's no gainsaying Who created it, and the irrevocable Laws by which He designed it to function. You may not like them, and you may want to take it up with our Creator when the opportunity arises, but they are what they are regardless of either your opinion, or your gross misunderstanding of Holy Writ.

One can tack on 'God' as the ultimate driver of cosmic evolution,

Who did you have in mind? I know your lot tend to see Satan as a Bad God in opposition to the Good God who we revere, but the fact is there's only one God, and Old Nick is simply one of His creatures, who exiists only at God's sufference. So yes, God's Laws are the "ultimate drivers" of of the workings of His cosmos, whether you approve of them or not.

but as most Big-Bang cosmology

Big Bang, as opposed to "LIght, BE!". Gotta make sure we use properly religious nomenclature, don't we? Imean, one means when everything came into existence, and the other means... when everything came into existence. Wouldn't want to confuse the two, woould we?

believers would tell you, God is unnecessary

Believers in what? Have you given that strawman a name?

and simply an option of personal preference.

Nope. Science can only speak from evidence, so it can only speculate on what caused the Creation. Christians believe, by revelation that God caused the Creation by His command. There's no one I know of who believes that Creation didn't happen.

Modern cosmology makes God a mere option

Beating the strawman again.

and usually inspires agnosticism and atheism.

I'd venture that folks who thump the tub for what are generally perceived as numb-skulled indeas like "flat earth" and "geocentric universe" do more to drive people away from the Christian faith than anything else. The perception becomes that Christians are a bunch of mouth-breathing illiterates whose religion requires them to deny reality. Sorry, but that's the fact. I'm sure that reinforces the way y'all would like to see yourslves, as true-believing stalwarts, the Chosen Few who stand opposed to the machinations of the Bad God. But in fact the image is, well, of just another bunch following the made up religion du jour.

Its adherents are more interested in socially 'evolving' towards the exploration of an infinite Star-Trek universe

Dunno about the "evolving" part, except that it provided a place for your fellow flatties to holler "boo!" Exploring the unverse God created? Sounds like a plan to me, mate! In fact, I 'spect that'll be something that that's one of the jots of Heaven, to be able to explore and marvel at God's infinite Creation. Of course, I'm sure y'all will be allowed to stay in the little snow globe universe that's all that you believe exists.

, instead of humbling themselves before their Creator

Really? Lessee, we believe that God created a universe vast beyond our comprehension, and designed it with unimaginable beauty and elegance.

Y'all believe He Created the little ball we're currently standing on.

, repenting, and surrendering to the cross of Christ.

So this comes back to "Flatties Only" sign on the gates of Heaven", right? I think you're going to be disappointed there, as well.

 

[Apple Sky]

Nah, just the conclusion some folks (very few folks, in fact) draw from misreading/misunderstanding the Bible.

The masses who believe the earth is globe & spinning & orbiting the sun who read the Bible must find the scriptures very confusing & contradictory, as I know I did before I found out the truth that the earth is flat & non rotating. When you know all this then the scriptures make so much more sense.

I reckon this is the reason why there are so many people who have turned their backs on God & the scriptures.

If they could only see, then the truth would really set them free.