Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

[Phil G]

My bad, I apologize.

So which is it? Are you accusing millions of people involved in various space programs of lying or only the 'leaders' of said space programs? Because it's not just the 'leaders' who claim the earth is a rotating globe, anyone involved in space programs will tell you outright, and according to their own knowledge, that they know the earth is a rotating globe.

It seems to me that you are just throwing around accusations willy-nilly without keeping track of what you actually say.

 

[Apple Sky]

So which is it? Are you accusing millions of people involved in various space programs of lying or only the 'leaders' of said space programs?

Mostly the leaders, people like Bill Nelson etc.......

 

[Phil G]

Mostly the leaders, people like Bill Nelson etc.......

That's not answering my question. You accused just one person as being a liar (which is libellous by the way if you don’t have any hard concrete evidence). Anyone involved in space programs, including satellite communications, will tell you emphatically that the earth is a rotating globe without any doubt whatsoever, and according to their own knowledge and understanding of how satellites work. Are they all liars?

 

[Apple Sky]

That's not answering my question.

You asked 'Are you accusing millions of people involved in various space programs of lying or only the 'leaders' of said space programs?'

And I answered.

 

[prodromos]

Tell me something, how is every eye going to see Jesus on his return when the firmament scrolls back ?
Can't happen on a ball.

You guys already claim it can't happen on a flat earth. Its what you guys claim causes sunsets when we point out the sun can never set on a flat earth.

 

[Phil G]

You asked 'Are you accusing millions of people involved in various space programs of lying or only the 'leaders' of said space programs?'

And I answered.

No your answer was vague and evasive. “Mostly” leaders implies you are accusing others of being liars. Who are they? There are literally hundreds of thousands of people involved in satellite manufacturing all over the world. Are they involved in covering up the shape of the earth? Are they liars too?

 

[prodromos]

Point of Robs video is in this example being: Gleason's map shows the accurate distances from the North Pole to Santiago and from the North Pole to Sydney, not the distance from Santiago to Sydney.

So no help to you at all in answering this question.

 

[prodromos]

Nowadays the only "Hail Mary" they throw are the fake flights.

Which flights are fake? I've flown between Sydney and Los Angeles a few times, and @Gene2memE posted that they have flown Sydney to Santiago

It's become like a broken record. 99% of flights don't use such "routes," yet they keep relying on that pitch.

Please enlighten us as to the routes they actually take and how you came to that knowledge

Other than that the only card they have is their pathetic mocking.

Someting you never engage in, oh wait, you just did!

 

[prodromos]

99% of flights don't use such "routes,"

Technically this is true. For some destinations there might be multiple flights in a day, and the vast majority of flights are across Europe and the USA, but that still leaves that pesky 1% of flights which are impossible on the flat earth model, yet manage still to occur a few times every week.

Since you have chosen to leap into the fray, please explain on your flat earth how flights between Sydney and Santiago take less time than flights between Sydney and Los Angeles. I've asked this of almost every flat earther on the forums and have not yet received a response.

 

[prodromos]

July 8 and the Impossible Sunlight on 70% of the Globe

Atmospheric refraction happens.

 

[Jipsah]

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Nothing destroys God's flat stationary earth.

Because there isn't any such thing. The idea comes from a willfull misreading of Scripture.

As i have stated before i do not and have never flown

Great way to travel. My best flight ever, I fell asleep while we were taxiiing out at San Francisco, and woke up when the wheels hit the runway at Memphis.

, so i have no knowledge of the flight system. And it is not worth spending hours learning about it so i can address an anonymous person on a christian forum.

Yeah, and you never know when some innocuous seeming bit of knowledge will demolish some long cherished belief that simply wasn't true.

If this is what you are writing about, this by the websites article was a one time flight.

Well, no it's a regularly scheduled flight. Longer than I'd like. The 8-8.5 hours tfrom here to Europe are about all I can stand; I'm ready to plead guilty and beg for the chair by the time we land.

 

[prodromos]

Well, no it's a regularly scheduled flight. Longer than I'd like. The 8-8.5 hours tfrom here to Europe are about all I can stand; I'm ready to plead guilty and beg for the chair by the time we land

Sydney to Athens in Greece is brutal, even with the stop over in Dubai.

 

[Jipsah]

Mostly the leaders, people like Bill Nelson etc.......

Nah, most of their emloyees have to be In On It to make it work. And you'd better inc;lude pretty much every engineer in the world in your Rogue's Gallery, because if you find 1 in 100,000 who believes flat earth rubbish you'd be lucky. Engineers have to know how things work, and the Rube Goldberg nature of flat earth cosmology make it hilarious to anyone whose livelihood is earned by understanding how to make things work, and work efficiently.

Herewith, a Rube Goldberg Device

 

[Apple Sky]

Nah, most of their emloyees have to be In On It to make it work. And you'd better inc;lude pretty much every engineer in the world in your Rogue's Gallery, because if you find 1 in 100,000 who believes flat earth rubbish you'd be lucky. Engineers have to know how things work, and the Rube Goldberg nature of flat earth cosmology make it hilarious to anyone whose livelihood is earned by understanding how to make things work, and work efficiently.

Herewith, a Rube Goldberg Device

 

[Phil G]

Of course, post another meaningless YouTube video instead of answering questions.

How about all the amateur astronomers with absolutely no connection to any military or government organisations & who will tell you emphatically that the earth is a rotating globe based on their observations of the night sky. Are they all liars too?

And bear in mind my brother is an avid amateur astronomer who has travelled the world & observed the night sky in both hemispheres. He is also a Christian who believes Genesis 1 & the literal six days of creation.

 

[Apple Sky]

Of course, post another meaningless YouTube video instead of answering questions.

Well can you explain why these government documents mention a non rotating flat earth ?

How about all the amateur astronomers with absolutely no connection to any military or government organisations & who will tell you emphatically that the earth is a rotating globe based on their observations of the night sky

How would they know this by just observing the stars ?

 

[prodromos]

Well can you explain why these government documents mention a non rotating flat earth ?

What government documents?

 

[prodromos]

How would they know this by just observing the stars ?

Probably because in order to take long exposure photographs, they have to use a motorised equatorial mount for their telescopes, which can only work on a rotating globe.

 

[Phil G]

Well can you explain why these government documents mention a non rotating flat earth ?

Dean Odle is conning you:

Earth's Coordinate System | Intergovernmental Committee on Surveying and Mapping

www.icsm.gov.au

"Very early maps (which usually showed small local or regional areas) used a grid technique which relied on simply measuring the distance and direction between points of interest and then plotting these onto the ‘piece of paper’. This method assumed that the Earth was flat.


With the general agreement that the Earth was, in fact, round, a different methodology needed to be developed. The system that has been developed over many centuries is called latitude and longitude.


The location and measurement of latitude and longitude essentially involves complex mathematics (especially geometry) and a series of international agreements ⁄ conventions for recording locations on the surface of the Earth."

How would they know this by just observing the stars ?

For starters, my brother can testify that Polaris is NOT visible in the southern hemisphere and the night sky has different constellations to the northern hemisphere.

Also the sun & moon remain at the same visual size throughout their movements across the sky which would not happen if they were as close as 3 to 4 thousands miles. Their speed across the sky is also constant which would not happen if they were as close as that either.

These are just a few of the very simple observations which are well known and would instantly be called out if not true by amateur astronomers because they can track the movements of the sun & moon across the sky using constant speed equatorial mounts.

 

[d taylor]

Of course, post another meaningless YouTube video instead of answering questions.

How about all the amateur astronomers with absolutely no connection to any military or government organisations & who will tell you emphatically that the earth is a rotating globe based on their observations of the night sky. Are they all liars too?

And bear in mind my brother is an avid amateur astronomer who has travelled the world & observed the night sky in both hemispheres. He is also a Christian who believes Genesis 1 & the literal six days of creation.

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They are simply, like you are, believing the lies they have been told since kindergarten. Christianity is full of people believing lies the most harming one is the ones connected to false gospels, but there are plenty. The person who identifies as a christian but who believes the lie of evolution. And if they defend their beliefs, they are defending a lie.