FLAT EARTH.

[pgp_protector]

All CGI.

The Mars photo has the image of a man's face, meaning that it is mockery.

None of these were shot by telescopes, in my opinion, but were created on a computer with some type of software.

I can't believe that you can look at those images and think that they look real.

Given I've look through a telescope & Saturn & Jupiter & have seen the same thing, yes they are real.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

This website will help you understand the process. It's a bit long, but I'm sure you want to know the answer. Here is just one small paragraph of it:

A star is a nuclear fusion furnace that creates elements. The Sun will burn out its Hydrogen in 4-5 billion years. By using the method of spectroscopy we can know how much of each element is in a star because the chemical elements present in the atmosphere of the star create absorption lines.​

https://waxingapocalyptic.com/2011/04/11/how-do-we-know-what-the-stars-are-made-of/

The scientific method can't confirm that since you can't get to the sun to test it. It is nothing but speculation. I know what the science says, as I used to teach it.

 

[AdamSK]

How are you coming on the math? Have you chosen a particular distance for the sun yet, and have you confirmed that no distance that you choose will actually match the positions of the sun in the sky over the course of the day?

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

What size is the sun at noon and at 3 pm? How close to the horizon is the sun at 3 pm? Do these fit the model that the sun is 20 times as far away?

Again, please do the math.

You're under the idea that math will always explain what we see. I'm merely pointing out the observable evidence for a flat Earth. Mathematics may not be able to solve everyone of the explanations since God works in the supernatural. Meaning, the size of the sun may not exactly match what your math says, but the observable visuals that we see indicate that the sun gets bigger in the sky at high noon and gets smaller as you move toward dusk. This cannot happen on a globe because the sun would not get smaller simply by the Earth rotating away from the direction of the sun, especially so if the sun were 93,000,000 miles away. What little difference of several thousands miles moved away from the sun due to the Earth's supposed rotation is it going to make in comparison to he distance of 93,000,000 miles. None. You wouldn't even see a difference.

Thus, the only possibility is the sun is close to account for the changes in the size of the sun, and that it must be moving away from us.

Remember, according to the Bible, the sun is in a circuit, moving around above us. God cannot tell a lie. Therefore, what he says is true.

Think about when Joshua prayed to the Lord to have the sun stand still and it stayed still. If the Earth were really rotating, a stoppage of the sun would still have the sun moving across the sky from our perspective.

This is more evidence to the Earth not spinning and the sun moving across the Earth.

 

[AdamSK]

You're under the idea that math will always explain what we see.

I'm under the impression that if you see something and give an explanation for it, then the explanation needs to add up to what you see.

Meaning, the size of the sun may not exactly match what your math says, but the observable visuals that we see indicate that the sun gets bigger in the sky at high noon and gets smaller as you move toward dusk.

I already asked you to measure the apparent size of the sun at noon and at 3 pm. How different is the sun at those two times?

If the sun were barely 200 miles away at noon but over 3000 miles away at 3 pm, as you claim, then why isn't the sun much much smaller at 3 pm than at noon?

All I am asking is for you to match up your own model with what you, yourself, can see. The model doesn't work, for reasons you yourself can look at.

Can you acknowledge that if the sun really is only 200 miles up but 3000 away at 3 pm, it should not be anywhere near where you yourself can see that it is in the sky?

 

[AdamSK]

Here, let's make this super easy. Just agree or disagree with each of these. Just say "agree" or "disagree."

Height from the horizon, in arc degrees, of the sun at noon today: 75 degrees. Agree or disagree?

Height from the horizon, in arc degrees, of the sun at 3pm today: 57 degrees. Agree or disagree?

Distance of the sun above the Earth: 150 miles. Agree or disagree?

If the sun is 150 miles up, horizontal distance away when the sun is 75 arc degrees above the plane: 40 miles. Agree or disagree?

If the sun is 150 miles up, horizontal distance away when the sun is 57 arc degrees above the plane: 97 miles. Agree or disagree?

If the sun is 150 miles up, total distance that the sun travels in three hours according to its change in position: 37 miles. Agree or disagree?

Actual distance the sun should travel in three hours according to the flat Earth model: over 3000 miles. Agree or disagree?

 

[The Portuguese Baptist]

If you don't want to watch the videos, then you can choose to do that. However, I have provided these links and images as learning tools. You don't have to watch it all in one sitting. It'll probably take months for you to get the entire picture.

No, thanks. I am not interested in studying your nonsensical and contradictory flat Earth model and I shall not waste such precious minutes of my life in such a way. You're still wrong.

 

[AdamSK]

Looking forward to your answers, Guy. BTW, if you need me to update the angles and calculations to reflect the current date, just ask.

 

[AdamSK]

Disappointed that we haven't heard from Guy in a couple of days.

Any other flat Earth supporters want to present a model and see whether we can get visual observations to fit it?

 

[Meowzltov]

The scientific method can't confirm that since you can't get to the sun to test it. It is nothing but speculation. I know what the science says, as I used to teach it.

Let's try again:
By using the method of spectroscopy we can know how much of each element is in a star because the chemical elements present in the atmosphere of the star create absorption lines.

That's the test part of scientific method. I'm sure you remember what the Scientific Method is.

 

[AdamSK]

Guy came to the forum yesterday but didn't respond yet. I hope he answers soon.

 

[AdamSK]

Hmmm. Guy hasn't posted on the forum since he last posted on this thread. I hope he is doing okay.

If anyone else would like to discuss a flat Earth model, I have questions for you.

 

[The Portuguese Baptist]

Hmmm. Guy hasn't posted on the forum since he last posted on this thread. I hope he is doing okay.

If anyone else would like to discuss a flat Earth model, I have questions for you.

Seems you like to have fun with flat-earthers!

 

[Pierre]

what are you thoughts on the biblical explanation of the flat earth?

The scriptures say the earth is round, hence,

He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. (Isaiah 40:22 [NIV])

 

[Pierre]

How is this even a topic of conversation? Do not planes fly all over the earth and it is proven by observation that the earth is round? Are there not satellites in orbit that have photographed the roundness of the earth? Common people, use some common sense. Certainly there is much lie and deceit about many things, but this is not one of them.

 

[pgp_protector]

How is this even a topic of conversation? Do not planes fly all over the earth and it is proven by observation that the earth is round? Are there not satellites in orbit that have photographed the roundness of the earth? Common people, use some common sense. Certainly there is much lie and deceit about many things, but this is not one of them.

They claim that NASA (Or anyone else that provides photos) is in on the conspiracy and that all the photos are CGI.

 

[Pierre]

They claim that NASA (Or anyone else that provides photos) is in on the conspiracy and that all the photos are CGI.

What does it matter what NASA says? Fly a commercial plane from Miami to Tokyo, then Tokyo to California, then California back to Miami and you would have found yourself having gone in one giant circle. It doesn't take NASA or high ground photography to observe the obvious spherical shape of the earth just by mere travel around the world.

 

[pgp_protector]

What does it matter what NASA says? Fly a commercial plane from Miami to Tokyo, then Tokyo to California, then California back to Miami and you would have found yourself having gone in one giant circle. It doesn't take NASA or high ground photography to observe the obvious spherical shape of the earth just by mere travel around the world.

I know that, You know that, they won't accept that though.
Nor do they accept the shadow of the earth on the moon.
Nor do they accept amateur astronomy photos of the planets, satellites , ect..

Now some you must remember are just POEs or Peeps having fun ribbing others, I hope (and pray) that the actual subset that truly believes it is quite small.

 

[mmksparbud]

I know that, You know that, they won't accept that though.
Nor do they accept the shadow of the earth on the moon.
Nor do they accept amateur astronomy photos of the planets, satellites , ect..

Now some you must remember are just POEs or Peeps having fun ribbing others, I hope (and pray) that the actual subset that truly believes it is quite small.

One can only hope---however, my girlfriend has several in her church and they're considered pretty freaky. You don't even have to circle the earth by plane---good grief, I've seen the curvature just from flying between Las Vegas and LA! Look out the window folks!! They sent up a balloon specifically to prove it was flat, but guess what---there was some sort of malfunction----right. Never heard if they got it fixed and tried again. If one of them was sent up and orbited the earth, they would say they had been drugged and hypnotized!!

 

[MWood]

What saith the scripture? ....as far as the east is from the west... If the earth is not flat how can you measure the east from the west? If it is round, then the east is joined to the west at any point around the circumference of the earth. If it is flat you can actually measure the distance. So tell me if you know.