FLAT EARTH.

[AdamSK]

Less than 4,000 miles away according to Trigonometry projections. It may be much closer than that.

How close, in degrees of arc, does the sun get to the horizon at night time (when it would be closest to China)? Less than 1 degree?

 

[AdamSK]

And just to clarify - how far away is China, and is the sun still 4,000 miles above the Earth when it is over China?

 

[The Portuguese Baptist]

I find it sad that you can't look at the facts I have presented and you still want to believe man over what God has said in His word.

I have read God's Word entirely, and never found anything which said that the Earth is flat. That said, though, let us look at these ‘facts’.

Even after I've shown you the masonic connection,

Like it proves anything.

the faking of just about everything,

Yeah, right. An astronaut in front of a blue board with white stripes means that the Earth is flat. A video with on-screen text pointing at alleged ‘bubbles’ means the same thing. And let us not forget the guys whose faces look a lot like those of the dead Challenger crew, even though you forgot to find one guy.

as well as the videos of the real Earth

The balloon which did not fly high enough to allow you to see the curvature of the Earth.

and how things work,

The 50-minute long videos which I do not have the time to watch, which are probably just filled with nonsense anyway. Also, the sentence, ‘God is supernatural. He can light which sections he wants to light’, which attempts to ‘explain’ how the Sun — which is allegedly located always on the same side of the flat Earth — does not illuminate the entire Earth.

you still support the deceivers.

The intelligent and honest guys who do their job and study the Universe.

As I've said before, people centuries ago didn't have the technology to fully know. They at least had an excuse, not people today if they truly look into it.

And yet, they were more intelligent than you, who, even with all our modern technology, cannot see what is blatantly evident: that the Earth is round.

That said, they should just trust God.

Like God cares so much to tell us the shape of the Earth.

Do you honestly believe that Galileo's telescope is more powerful that high zoom cameras of today? Definitely not.

We can see that these so-called "planets" are not terra firma.

Wait. That freaky camera in that video, which the cameraman can't make steady and shows only a weird circle of light (which is claimed to be Mars) do some weird stuff? Yes, I believe that Galileo's telescope was better than that.

 

[Jadis40]

Less than 4,000 miles away according to Trigonometry projections. It may be much closer than that.

You're off by quite a bit. Try more like 92.96 million miles away. The definition of one astronomical unit. (1 AU). If the sun was only 4,000 miles away, we wouldn't even be here.

And there are the gaseous planets, like Jupiter, but Mars, Venus, Mercury are not. Again, this is elementary school level science. Planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto) are *not* stars. The sun, however, is a star.

And your dismissal of the picture of the Andromeda galaxy as being "mere CGI" is just another reason why I can't take your position seriously or think it holds any validity. The earth is *not* flat but spheroid, outer space exists, and yes, it is expanding.

Anyone can go outside when the constellation of Andromeda/Pegasus is up in the sky and look for the Andromeda Galaxy. It appears as a fuzzy blur. Why? Because the Andromeda Galaxy is 2.5 million light-years from earth.

For another example as to how vast the universe is, the Whirlpool galaxy is 23 plus/minus 4 million light-years away.

So, are you saying Charles Messier was in on this "so called conspiracy" back in 1773 when he discovered the whirlpool galaxy? Not to mention all of these other objects that are also in the Messier catalogue:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Messier_objects

 

[ewq1938]

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As said, there are some in the know and some who are not. People at "mission control" are likely being fed fake recording footage once the spacecraft has entered "space". Most of the rest at NASA don't have to see space, as they are engineers, construction workers, tour guides, etc.

As far as observatories are concerned, I believe that these receive funding from a governmental agency, as well as donations. More than enough to provide funding for salaries and to keep the charade going, as long as these observatories continue putting out fake footage. Many of them are believed to work with NASA.



There is plenty of reason to hide a flat Earth.

The exposure of a flat Earth will allow many people to discard the satanic system that we are a mere speck in the universe in favor of the truth that we are the center of what it actually is.

Understand that the Big Bang, Universe expansionism, creation of "planets", and evolution are all connected with the Earth not being flat. A flat Earth with a dome shows how close we are to the creator and that we are special. Do you think satan wants people to know the truth, or does he want people to be deceived, trusting in "science".



Richard Bronson of Virgin already did so, and all of the unmanned spacecraft made either exploded or ceased upward flight at a certain point (possibly hit the firmament).

Rockets that have been sent up get to a certain place in the stratosphere and they suddenly stop at about the same height.

Balloons seem to "pop" at about this same altitude. It likely either has to do with the firmament or lack of atmosphere. Either way, space travel is not possible beyond the stratosphere, and that isn't really space but rather a higher level of Earth's atmosphere.

None of that is true though. Balloons are hardly space craft and space crafts have gone far into space and it has nothing to do with protecting satanic beliefs.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

Really?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...lar-taken-astronomer-Damian-Peach-garden.html
http://www.space.com/23720-jupiter-moons-shadow-photo.html
https://www.facebook.com/OsservatorioVesta/?fref=ts
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/online-gallery/mars-5-june-2016
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/online-gallery/saturno-planet-may2016/
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/online-gallery/three-planets-1-webcam/

Even with the 4.5 Reflector I've got I can resolve the Spots on Jupiter, the Moons, and the Rings on Saturn.

Then again, I know how to Focus.

All CGI.

The Mars photo has the image of a man's face, meaning that it is mockery.

None of these were shot by telescopes, in my opinion, but were created on a computer with some type of software.

I can't believe that you can look at those images and think that they look real.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

I found this on Answers In Genesis.

Reasons We Know That the Earth Is Spherical

Earth’s Shadow

So how did people in the ancient world know that the earth is spherical? The earliest recorded discussion of a spherical earth is from Pythagoras in the sixth century BC. Pythagoras correctly understood that the cause of lunar eclipses is the shadow of the earth falling on the moon. This can happen only when the moon is opposite the sun in our sky, which coincides with full moon. The earth’s shadow is larger than the moon, so we cannot see the entire shadow at once. However, during a lunar eclipse we see the earth’s shadow creep across the moon. Because the edge of the earth’s shadow always is a portion of a circle, the earth’s shadow must be a circle. If the earth were flat and round, similar to a disk, it could cast a circular shadow, but only for lunar eclipses that occur at midnight. For a lunar eclipse at sunrise or sunset, the earth’s shadow would be an ellipse, a line, or a rectangle, depending upon how thick the disk was compared to its diameter. However, the earth’s shadow during a lunar eclipse is always a circle, regardless of the time of night when the eclipse occurs. The only shape that consistently has a circular shadow, regardless of its orientation, is a sphere.

The only shape that consistently has a circular shadow, regardless of its orientation, is a sphere.

Visibility of the Stars

Another argument involves the stars that are visible in the northern and southern parts of the sky. The North Star lies within a degree of the north celestial pole, the direction in space that the earth’s rotation points at. As the earth rotates each day, the stars, the sun, and the moon appear to spin around the north celestial pole, so the north celestial pole remains fixed in the sky. In the ancient world, many people thought that the celestial sphere rotated each day around a non-spinning earth. For our purposes here, it doesn’t matter which is the case. The north celestial pole makes an angle with the northern horizon. We call this angle the altitude of the north celestial pole. Since the North Star is so close to the north celestial pole, we can approximate the altitude of the north celestial pole with the North Star’s altitude.

Vela and Surrounding Constellations

The altitude of the North Star is noticeably higher in the sky at northern locations than it is at southern locations. For example, the North Star is much higher in the sky in the northern United States and Canada than it is in Florida, as anyone who pays attention on a trip, such as a vacation, can attest. This can happen only if north-south motion is along an arc. This is further underscored by other considerations. There is a region around the North Star in which the stars do not rise or set but instead are continually up and appear to go in circles around the north celestial pole. We call these circumpolar stars, meaning “around the pole.” The region of circumpolar stars is larger at northern locations than in southern locations. Likewise, there is a circumpolar region below the southern horizon whose stars are always below the horizon. The northern circumpolar region, where stars are always visible, is very large, and the southern circumpolar region, whose stars are never visible, is also large. Closer to the earth’s equator, the two circumpolar regions are smaller. For example, for many years I lived in South Carolina, about four degrees farther south latitude from where I now live in Northern Kentucky. I can see that the North Star is slightly higher in Northern Kentucky than it was in South Carolina. Furthermore, during winter in South Carolina, the bright star Canopus barely rose above the southern horizon each night; but in Kentucky I can never see Canopus. This is because in Northern Kentucky, Canopus is in the southern circumpolar region where stars are never visible, while in South Carolina it is not. This too shows that the earth is curved in the north-south direction.

Curvature of the Earth

Not only is the earth curved in the north-south direction, it also is curved in the east-west direction. There is a time difference of three hours between the east and west coasts of the United States. That is, the sun rises and sets approximately three hours earlier on the east coast than it does on the west coast. This is easily verified by anyone who has flown between the east and west coasts of the United States. Not only will your watch show that there is a time difference of three hours, but your body will notice the difference in time as well. If one drives from one coast to the other, the trip will take several days, so our bodies will not notice the time difference as much. However, our watches reveal that the time has changed. Such rapid transportation was not possible in ancient times, but the ancients could see this time difference a different way. A lunar eclipse obviously must happen simultaneously for everyone on earth, but it will be different times at different locations. For instance, a lunar eclipse may start shortly after sunset in the eastern Mediterranean, such as in Greece. However, in the western Mediterranean, such as in Spain, the moon would already be in eclipse when the moon rose that night. This means that the lunar eclipse began before sunset/moonrise in Spain, but after sunset/moonrise in Greece. Communication was such in the ancient world that people were aware of this effect. This shows that the earth is curved in the east-west direction. If the earth is curved in both the north-south and east-west direction, the most likely shape of the earth is a sphere.

Ancient Sources

Ancient sources, such as Aristotle, also mentioned that the hulls of ships disappeared before their masts did as ships sailed away. This would happen only if the earth is spherical. Without optical aid, this is difficult to see. However, one easily can see a related effect. If one is perched atop the mast of the ship, one can spot land or other ships before people on the deck can. This is why spotters often were placed in a crow’s nest high above a ship’s deck. If the earth were flat, there would be no advantage to being above the deck. A similar thing can be observed on land. The Door Peninsula in Wisconsin forms the eastern shore of Green Bay. The distance across Green Bay from the northern portion of the Door Peninsula to Northern Michigan is more than twenty miles. Looking across Green Bay from the beach on the west side of the Door Peninsula, one cannot see Northern Michigan. However, if one ascends the bluffs above the beach, one can see the shoreline of Northern Michigan. This is possible only if the earth is spherical.

Not only did ancient people know that the earth was spherical, one of them accurately measured the size of the earth around 200 BC. Eratosthenes worked at the Great Library in Alexandria, Egypt. Eratosthenes is the father of geography because he coined the term and commissioned the creation of many maps. One particular year on the summer solstice, Eratosthenes was in southern Egypt near modern-day Aswan. Being on the northern limit of the tropics, the sun was directly overhead at noon on the summer solstice. Eratosthenes realized this, because he could look down into a deep well and see the bottom.

Normally, the bottom of a well is not visible because the sun’s light does not shine directly on the bottom, but it did at noon on the summer solstice because the sun was directly overhead. The sun never was directly overhead in Alexandria, because it is not in the tropics. Back in Alexandria the following year, Eratosthenes measured the altitude of the sun at noon on the summer solstice. He did this by constructing a vertical pole of known height and measuring the pole’s shadow at noon. Trigonometry allowed Eratosthenes to compute the sun’s altitude. The difference between ninety degrees and the altitude was how far the sun was from being vertical. Eratosthenes found that the angle was about one-fiftieth of a circle. This meant that Alexandria and Aswan were separated by one-fiftieth of the earth’s circumference. Eratosthenes knew the distance between those two locations, so multiplying that distance by fifty gave him the earth’s circumference.

Why do so many people today assume that everyone thought that the earth was flat until the time of Columbus? The argument at the time of Columbus was not over the earth’s shape, but over the earth’s size. Muslims had closed to Europeans the overland trade routes to the Far East. Everyone realized that travel to Asia by sailing west from Europe was possible, but why would you want to? There was a vast ocean (they didn’t know about the two American continents in between) separating Europe and Asia. It was much shorter to sail eastward from Europe, perhaps around Africa, to reach Asia. In the small ships used at the time, it was not advisable to sail more than a few days out of sight of land. Columbus was proposing a voyage of a few months over open, uncharted waters. That was very dangerous. To make his proposed voyage more palatable, Columbus overestimated the eastward distance from Europe, and at the same time he decreased Eratosthenes’ measurement of the earth’s circumference. The difference in these two was Columbus’ expected distance to Asia by sailing westward from Europe. In Columbus’ estimation, it was shorter to reach Asia by sailing westward than eastward. A glance at a modern globe or map of the world reveals that this is false. In other words, Columbus was wrong, and his critics were right!

Accusation of Christianity

In the late nineteenth century, two atheistic skeptics, Andrew Dickson White and John Draper, created the conflict thesis that Christianity held back the progress of science. One of their major arguments was that throughout the Middle Ages the church had taught that the earth was flat. In creating this myth, Draper and White suggested that the church could redeem itself for this supposed error on the earth’s shape by getting in on the ground floor of Darwinism. This ploy was very successful in that much of the church capitulated on evolution. It also falsely altered history. It is this false version of history that most people have learned.

Answers in Genesis does good work against Evolution, but they're simply repeating the scientific nonsense when it comes to the shape of the Earth. Choosing man's views instead of what the Bible says. If I felt like it, which I don't right now, considering the amount of information, I could explain many of the arguments brought up.

 

[AdamSK]

Do you agree that the sun is about half an arc degree in the sky? Can you confirm that the sun is less than a sun's diameter from the horizon at night? That would put it less than an arc degree away.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

You're off by quite a bit. Try more like 92.96 million miles away. The definition of one astronomical unit. (1 AU). If the sun was only 4,000 miles away, we wouldn't even be here.

And there are the gaseous planets, like Jupiter, but Mars, Venus, Mercury are not. Again, this is elementary school level science. Planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto) are *not* stars. The sun, however, is a star.

And your dismissal of the picture of the Andromeda galaxy as being "mere CGI" is just another reason why I can't take your position seriously or think it holds any validity. The earth is *not* flat but spheroid, outer space exists, and yes, it is expanding.

Anyone can go outside when the constellation of Andromeda/Pegasus is up in the sky and look for the Andromeda Galaxy. It appears as a fuzzy blur. Why? Because the Andromeda Galaxy is 2.5 million light-years from earth.

For another example as to how vast the universe is, the Whirlpool galaxy is 23 plus/minus 4 million light-years away.

So, are you saying Charles Messier was in on this "so called conspiracy" back in 1773 when he discovered the whirlpool galaxy? Not to mention all of these other objects that are also in the Messier catalogue:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Messier_objects

Isn't it just too convenient that the figure of 93,000,000 million miles coincides with the only alternative to see the sun at the size we see it at? What were the probabilities of that. Using math, we can determine the relative distance of the sun from Earth. It is in the thousands of miles, maximum.

Lies, all lies. There is no such thing as a light year, as it has no real application to the Biblical Earth. This is made-up deception, people.

The sun is not a star. Read God's Word. Stars are stars, and so-called "planets" are the largest, brightest stars. They are the wandering stars, considering they move in different pathways instead of a fixed rotation like the smaller stars. Look up at the sky at night and you can actually see them move if you have the patience to stay there for a couple hours. That said, you can see them move across the sky at times. The solid-like pictures you see are straight up trickery from a computer. Do you ever wonder why we now get these so-called photos, when all we got were artist recreations prior to the last couple decades? It's because the technology or software wasn't advanced enough to make such images. In fact, some of the earlier "pictures" of the Earth were nothing but paintings.

Andromeda is out of an artist's imagination.

Galaxies don't exist. The Jesuits and Masons have been involved in astronomy, or fooling the masses, whether intended or not, for many centuries.

You need to do your research.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

None of that is true though. Balloons are hardly space craft and space crafts have gone far into space and it has nothing to do with protecting satanic beliefs.

How do you know that space crafts have gone fare into space? Are you willing to trust those who have already been proven to be liars? Especially so when it goes against God's word?

 

[AdamSK]

Distance to China.

Sun's distance above the Earth in China.

Confirm that the sun gets within 1 arc degree of the horizon here when it is directly above China.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

Do you agree that the sun is about half an arc degree in the sky? Can you confirm that the sun is less than a sun's diameter from the horizon at night? That would put it less than an arc degree away.

The sun move around the circular flat Earth. Once the sun moves beyond what the eye can see, the focal point, that being where objects converge, it is unable to be seen beyond this horizon, even though light can be seen for about thirty minutes to an hour later (twilight). Once the sun is an appreciable distance away, I suppose you could say that the distance of the sun from the horizon is well beyond the size of the diameter of the sun.

 

[ewq1938]

How do you know that space crafts have gone fare into space? Are you willing to trust those who have already been proven to be liars? Especially so when it goes against God's word?

It doesn't go against God's word. I knew a man that worked for NASA and I trust him to know what was true or not. All these conspiracies you believe in are just false.

 

[AdamSK]

The sun move around the circular flat Earth. Once the sun moves beyond what the eye can see, the focal point, that being where objects converge, it is unable to be seen beyond this horizon, even though light can be seen for about thirty minutes to an hour later (twilight). Once the sun is an appreciable distance away, I suppose you could say that the distance of the sun from the horizon is well beyond the size of the diameter of the sun.

Thank you for confirming that. How far away is China?

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

Distance to China.

Sun's distance above the Earth in China.

Confirm that the sun gets within 1 arc degree of the horizon here when it is directly above China.

I apologize, for what specifically are you mentioning when you say "arc degree"? That is not a term I am familiar with, unless you're applying mathematics to this discussion.

Sun angles change throughout the year, considering that the sun moves in a circuit around the circular flat Earth. In North America, or what people would think of as being in the "Northern Hemisphere", the circuit of the sun is closest and in a tighter circumference in summer than it is in winter when it is farther away. Therefore, how the sun appears in the sky will be different degrees at different times of the year. Highest in the summer, lowest in the winter. This is because the sun is closer to you during the summer in North America than it is to you in the winter.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

pressed reply to my message instead of edit.

 

[AdamSK]

I apologize, for what specifically are you mentioning when you say "arc degree"? That is not a term I am familiar with, unless you're applying mathematics to this discussion.

Arc degree is a measurement of size in your visual range. Without knowing how far away something is, you can measure what part of the 360 degree circle of your vision it takes up. The sun and moon are both around one half arc degree when viewed from Earth. Even flat earth proponents usually agree with this.

If the sun is far enough away that it is indistinguishable from the flat earth then it is clearly less than one arc degree above the land. I just wanted to make sure you didn't disagree with this.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

Thank you for confirming that. How far away is China?

A little over seven thousand miles away.

 

[Meowzltov]

The Mars photo has the image of a man's face, meaning that it is mockery.

I pretty much lurk in this thread (laughing most of the time) because really it is best for those skilled in math and science to answer the ignorant. However, I know psychology, and here I can answer this particular item.

Human beings are hardwired neurologically to see faces. We are not only drawn to faces, but we see faces from even just the mere hints of faces. And that means we often see faces when no real faces are there. It's why we see faces in cartoon drawings of faces, or just the two dots and curve of a happy face. It is part of our ability to see patterns, even when no pattern exists, but when it comes to faces, its patterns on hyper drive.

The so-called face on Mars is simply a random, naturally occurring geological formation. The closer up to it we get, the more obvious it becomes that it is not a face at all. But from far away, our imaginations turn it into a face the same way we see bunnies and castles in the clouds or the Virgin Mary on a piece of toast.

 

[AdamSK]

A little over seven thousand miles away.

Trigonometry now. If a right triangle has a leg that is 4000 opposite a 1 degree angle, how long is the other leg?