FLAT EARTH.

[AdamSK]

How far away is the Sun?

 

[AdamSK]

Why is it like pulling teeth to get a flat earthier to provide the most basic information about their model of the world?

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

Wait, what? The Greeks?! Well, they too were involved in a massive conspiracy theory which is today perpetuated by NASA while they and Illuminati know the truth. Every single culture that believed in a round Earth was creating a huge conspiracy theory! LOL

I find it sad that you can't look at the facts I have presented and you still want to believe man over what God has said in His word.

Even after I've shown you the masonic connection, the faking of just about everything, as well as the videos of the real Earth and how things work, you still support the deceivers.

As I've said before, people centuries ago didn't have the technology to fully know. They at least had an excuse, not people today if they truly look into it. That said, they should just trust God.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

Why is it like pulling teeth to get a flat earthier to provide the most basic information about their model of the world?

What more do you want?

I've provided explanations on everything that has been asked.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

How far away is the Sun?

Less than 4,000 miles away according to Trigonometry projections. It may be much closer than that.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

What treaty? Someone better tell all these people;

http://www.statravel.com.au/antarct...QbVLfC06rD-ynJMp5gUZhKHkZhJz9qJChUaApKM8P8HAQ

http://www.antarctica.gov.au/living-and-working/stations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System

Yes, there are scientists working in Antarctica, part of the group of nations who have bases on the landmass. That was part of the stipulation of the treaty, that it would be devoted to research.

Yes, there are a couple travel agencies who will take you to the peninsula of Antarctica or the edge of the continent by the "southern" ocean, if you want to pay about a year's salary. Furthermore, these places are nowhere near what would be the edge of flat Earth.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

Mm-hmm. Galileo's telescope was also a CGI-faking machine. LOL

Do you honestly believe that Galileo's telescope is more powerful that high zoom cameras of today? Definitely not.

We can see that these so-called "planets" are not terra firma.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

So mars is a star not a planet? Lol Yes there are other moons besides ours and they are all spheres as are all other planets we have detected.

You are painfully and humorously wrong but I do encourage you to continue defending this belief of yours.

Planets and moons (beyond our own moon) don't exist. They are all stars. Viewing them at high zoom reveals them to be only stars. Only NASA and so-called space agencies produce pictures that should a solid surface. Just like Pluto the dog, fake Jupiter imaging, etc., all the planets' pictures produced by NASA are fake. Civilian pictures show them to be only lights, even with high powered telescopes and cameras, much more powerful than any Galileo had.

 

[ewq1938]

Planets and moons (beyond our own moon) don't exist. They are all stars.

That doesn't make sense and there are many telescopes around the world that can confirm there are planets and moons besides ours. Perhaps you should visit one of these places and see for yourself?

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

That doesn't make sense and there are many telescopes around the world that can confirm there are planets and moons besides ours. Perhaps you should visit one of these places and see for yourself?

I'm of the opinion that most of these places are corrupted, are either corresponding with NASA, or want to push a "rapidly expanding universe" because it gives life to the evolution fallacy, etc.

Think about it. If they admitted that there was no outer space, they'd not have a job left. There's a lot of money to be made in new "discoveries".

 

[ewq1938]

Think about it. If they admitted that there was no outer space, they'd not have a job left. There's a lot of money to be made in new "discoveries".

Or if there was no outer space then none of those jobs would exist...

There is no logical reason to hide a flat Earth if it's true. No one would care because it would have always been that way.

Gofundme.com

Try to raise enough money to get sent into space then you will know the truth.

 

[Armoured]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System

Yes, there are scientists working in Antarctica, part of the group of nations who have bases on the landmass. That was part of the stipulation of the treaty, that it would be devoted to research.

Yes, there are a couple travel agencies who will take you to the peninsula of Antarctica or the edge of the continent by the "southern" ocean, if you want to pay about a year's salary. Furthermore, these places are nowhere near what would be the edge of flat Earth.

Shift those goal posts!

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

Shift those goal posts!

There's no shifting of anything. I never said that there wasn't Antarctica, or that there aren't any people who go there.

The people who go there are scientists, government personnel, as well as a couple approved travel agencies and the people who can pay a yearly wage.

The general public or civilian is not allowed even near the coast of Antarctica for any reason.

You also need to understand that the location of where those travel agency camps are stationed is either on the Antarctic Peninsula, the part that juts out from the bulk of the "continent", or near the edge bordering the "southern" ocean near Antarctica. They are far enough away from the edge (at the dome), but they're relatively close to it as well.

 

[Armoured]

There's no shifting of anything. I never said that there wasn't Antarctica, or that there aren't any people who go there.

The people who go there are scientists, government personnel, as well as a couple approved travel agencies and the people who can pay a yearly wage.

The general public or civilian is not allowed even near the coast of Antarctica for any reason.

You also need to understand that the location of where those travel agency camps are stationed is either on the Antarctic Peninsula, the part that juts out from the bulk of the "continent", or near the edge bordering the "southern" ocean near Antarctica. They are far enough away from the edge (at the dome), but they're relatively close to it as well.

You said civilians can't go there. In fact, civilians go there all the time. Now you're shifting the goal posts. It's really pretty simple.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

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Or if there was no outer space then none of those jobs would exist…

As said, there are some in the know and some who are not. People at "mission control" are likely being fed fake recording footage once the spacecraft has entered "space". Most of the rest at NASA don't have to see space, as they are engineers, construction workers, tour guides, etc.

As far as observatories are concerned, I believe that these receive funding from a governmental agency, as well as donations. More than enough to provide funding for salaries and to keep the charade going, as long as these observatories continue putting out fake footage. Many of them are believed to work with NASA.

There is no logical reason to hide a flat Earth if it's true. No one would care because it would have always been that way.

There is plenty of reason to hide a flat Earth.

The exposure of a flat Earth will allow many people to discard the satanic system that we are a mere speck in the universe in favor of the truth that we are the center of what it actually is.

Understand that the Big Bang, Universe expansionism, creation of "planets", and evolution are all connected with the Earth not being flat. A flat Earth with a dome shows how close we are to the creator and that we are special. Do you think satan wants people to know the truth, or does he want people to be deceived, trusting in "science".

Gofundme.com

Try to raise enough money to get sent into space then you will know the truth.

Richard Bronson of Virgin already did so, and all of the unmanned spacecraft made either exploded or ceased upward flight at a certain point (possibly hit the firmament).

Rockets that have been sent up get to a certain place in the stratosphere and they suddenly stop at about the same height.

Balloons seem to "pop" at about this same altitude. It likely either has to do with the firmament or lack of atmosphere. Either way, space travel is not possible beyond the stratosphere, and that isn't really space but rather a higher level of Earth's atmosphere.

 

[GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta]

You said civilians can't go there. In fact, civilians go there all the time. Now you're shifting the goal posts. It's really pretty simple.

No. You're focusing on the fact that I did not mention an exception when making that statement, instead of what I meant to convey. Sorry if I was not clear. Yes, a civilian can go to Antarctica if they are wealthy, and if they go along with one of the CONTROLLED, MANAGED, APPROVED travel agencies. On their own, they cannot. Fisherman cannot even sail their boats anywhere near the Antarctic coast.

 

[Armoured]

No. You're focusing on the fact that I did not mention an exception when making that statement, instead of what I meant to convey. Sorry if I was not clear. Yes, a civilian can go to Antarctica if they are wealthy, and if they go along with one of the CONTROLLED, MANAGED, APPROVED travel agencies. On their own, they cannot. Fisherman cannot even sail their boats anywhere near the Antarctic coast.

They do it all the time, actually, but whatever.

Look, learn from your mustake. Don't make generic declarative statements like "civilians aren't allowed to go to Antarctica" if that isn't true. Or, if you DO make such a stateme t, only to have it demonstrated false, don't packpedal and try to tell people "oh, but i REALLY meant..."

Better luck next time, anyway. I think this has run its course though. There were moments I almost believed you were serious.

 

[pgp_protector]

Planets and moons (beyond our own moon) don't exist. They are all stars. Viewing them at high zoom reveals them to be only stars. Only NASA and so-called space agencies produce pictures that should a solid surface. Just like Pluto the dog, fake Jupiter imaging, etc., all the planets' pictures produced by NASA are fake. Civilian pictures show them to be only lights, even with high powered telescopes and cameras, much more powerful than any Galileo had.

Really?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...lar-taken-astronomer-Damian-Peach-garden.html
http://www.space.com/23720-jupiter-moons-shadow-photo.html
https://www.facebook.com/OsservatorioVesta/?fref=ts
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/online-gallery/mars-5-june-2016
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/online-gallery/saturno-planet-may2016/
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/online-gallery/three-planets-1-webcam/

Even with the 4.5 Reflector I've got I can resolve the Spots on Jupiter, the Moons, and the Rings on Saturn.

Then again, I know how to Focus.

 

[Armoured]

Really?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...lar-taken-astronomer-Damian-Peach-garden.html
http://www.space.com/23720-jupiter-moons-shadow-photo.html
https://www.facebook.com/OsservatorioVesta/?fref=ts
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/online-gallery/mars-5-june-2016
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/online-gallery/saturno-planet-may2016/
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/online-gallery/three-planets-1-webcam/

Even with the 4.5 Reflector I've got I can resolve the Spots on Jupiter, the Moons, and the Rings on Saturn.

Then again, I know how to Focus.

CGI realtime feed into every telescope. Obviously. Wake up sheeple!

 

[FredVB]

I found this on Answers In Genesis.

Reasons We Know That the Earth Is Spherical

Earth’s Shadow

So how did people in the ancient world know that the earth is spherical? The earliest recorded discussion of a spherical earth is from Pythagoras in the sixth century BC. Pythagoras correctly understood that the cause of lunar eclipses is the shadow of the earth falling on the moon. This can happen only when the moon is opposite the sun in our sky, which coincides with full moon. The earth’s shadow is larger than the moon, so we cannot see the entire shadow at once. However, during a lunar eclipse we see the earth’s shadow creep across the moon. Because the edge of the earth’s shadow always is a portion of a circle, the earth’s shadow must be a circle. If the earth were flat and round, similar to a disk, it could cast a circular shadow, but only for lunar eclipses that occur at midnight. For a lunar eclipse at sunrise or sunset, the earth’s shadow would be an ellipse, a line, or a rectangle, depending upon how thick the disk was compared to its diameter. However, the earth’s shadow during a lunar eclipse is always a circle, regardless of the time of night when the eclipse occurs. The only shape that consistently has a circular shadow, regardless of its orientation, is a sphere.

The only shape that consistently has a circular shadow, regardless of its orientation, is a sphere.

Visibility of the Stars

Another argument involves the stars that are visible in the northern and southern parts of the sky. The North Star lies within a degree of the north celestial pole, the direction in space that the earth’s rotation points at. As the earth rotates each day, the stars, the sun, and the moon appear to spin around the north celestial pole, so the north celestial pole remains fixed in the sky. In the ancient world, many people thought that the celestial sphere rotated each day around a non-spinning earth. For our purposes here, it doesn’t matter which is the case. The north celestial pole makes an angle with the northern horizon. We call this angle the altitude of the north celestial pole. Since the North Star is so close to the north celestial pole, we can approximate the altitude of the north celestial pole with the North Star’s altitude.

Vela and Surrounding Constellations

The altitude of the North Star is noticeably higher in the sky at northern locations than it is at southern locations. For example, the North Star is much higher in the sky in the northern United States and Canada than it is in Florida, as anyone who pays attention on a trip, such as a vacation, can attest. This can happen only if north-south motion is along an arc. This is further underscored by other considerations. There is a region around the North Star in which the stars do not rise or set but instead are continually up and appear to go in circles around the north celestial pole. We call these circumpolar stars, meaning “around the pole.” The region of circumpolar stars is larger at northern locations than in southern locations. Likewise, there is a circumpolar region below the southern horizon whose stars are always below the horizon. The northern circumpolar region, where stars are always visible, is very large, and the southern circumpolar region, whose stars are never visible, is also large. Closer to the earth’s equator, the two circumpolar regions are smaller. For example, for many years I lived in South Carolina, about four degrees farther south latitude from where I now live in Northern Kentucky. I can see that the North Star is slightly higher in Northern Kentucky than it was in South Carolina. Furthermore, during winter in South Carolina, the bright star Canopus barely rose above the southern horizon each night; but in Kentucky I can never see Canopus. This is because in Northern Kentucky, Canopus is in the southern circumpolar region where stars are never visible, while in South Carolina it is not. This too shows that the earth is curved in the north-south direction.

Curvature of the Earth

Not only is the earth curved in the north-south direction, it also is curved in the east-west direction. There is a time difference of three hours between the east and west coasts of the United States. That is, the sun rises and sets approximately three hours earlier on the east coast than it does on the west coast. This is easily verified by anyone who has flown between the east and west coasts of the United States. Not only will your watch show that there is a time difference of three hours, but your body will notice the difference in time as well. If one drives from one coast to the other, the trip will take several days, so our bodies will not notice the time difference as much. However, our watches reveal that the time has changed. Such rapid transportation was not possible in ancient times, but the ancients could see this time difference a different way. A lunar eclipse obviously must happen simultaneously for everyone on earth, but it will be different times at different locations. For instance, a lunar eclipse may start shortly after sunset in the eastern Mediterranean, such as in Greece. However, in the western Mediterranean, such as in Spain, the moon would already be in eclipse when the moon rose that night. This means that the lunar eclipse began before sunset/moonrise in Spain, but after sunset/moonrise in Greece. Communication was such in the ancient world that people were aware of this effect. This shows that the earth is curved in the east-west direction. If the earth is curved in both the north-south and east-west direction, the most likely shape of the earth is a sphere.

Ancient Sources

Ancient sources, such as Aristotle, also mentioned that the hulls of ships disappeared before their masts did as ships sailed away. This would happen only if the earth is spherical. Without optical aid, this is difficult to see. However, one easily can see a related effect. If one is perched atop the mast of the ship, one can spot land or other ships before people on the deck can. This is why spotters often were placed in a crow’s nest high above a ship’s deck. If the earth were flat, there would be no advantage to being above the deck. A similar thing can be observed on land. The Door Peninsula in Wisconsin forms the eastern shore of Green Bay. The distance across Green Bay from the northern portion of the Door Peninsula to Northern Michigan is more than twenty miles. Looking across Green Bay from the beach on the west side of the Door Peninsula, one cannot see Northern Michigan. However, if one ascends the bluffs above the beach, one can see the shoreline of Northern Michigan. This is possible only if the earth is spherical.

Not only did ancient people know that the earth was spherical, one of them accurately measured the size of the earth around 200 BC. Eratosthenes worked at the Great Library in Alexandria, Egypt. Eratosthenes is the father of geography because he coined the term and commissioned the creation of many maps. One particular year on the summer solstice, Eratosthenes was in southern Egypt near modern-day Aswan. Being on the northern limit of the tropics, the sun was directly overhead at noon on the summer solstice. Eratosthenes realized this, because he could look down into a deep well and see the bottom.

Normally, the bottom of a well is not visible because the sun’s light does not shine directly on the bottom, but it did at noon on the summer solstice because the sun was directly overhead. The sun never was directly overhead in Alexandria, because it is not in the tropics. Back in Alexandria the following year, Eratosthenes measured the altitude of the sun at noon on the summer solstice. He did this by constructing a vertical pole of known height and measuring the pole’s shadow at noon. Trigonometry allowed Eratosthenes to compute the sun’s altitude. The difference between ninety degrees and the altitude was how far the sun was from being vertical. Eratosthenes found that the angle was about one-fiftieth of a circle. This meant that Alexandria and Aswan were separated by one-fiftieth of the earth’s circumference. Eratosthenes knew the distance between those two locations, so multiplying that distance by fifty gave him the earth’s circumference.

Why do so many people today assume that everyone thought that the earth was flat until the time of Columbus? The argument at the time of Columbus was not over the earth’s shape, but over the earth’s size. Muslims had closed to Europeans the overland trade routes to the Far East. Everyone realized that travel to Asia by sailing west from Europe was possible, but why would you want to? There was a vast ocean (they didn’t know about the two American continents in between) separating Europe and Asia. It was much shorter to sail eastward from Europe, perhaps around Africa, to reach Asia. In the small ships used at the time, it was not advisable to sail more than a few days out of sight of land. Columbus was proposing a voyage of a few months over open, uncharted waters. That was very dangerous. To make his proposed voyage more palatable, Columbus overestimated the eastward distance from Europe, and at the same time he decreased Eratosthenes’ measurement of the earth’s circumference. The difference in these two was Columbus’ expected distance to Asia by sailing westward from Europe. In Columbus’ estimation, it was shorter to reach Asia by sailing westward than eastward. A glance at a modern globe or map of the world reveals that this is false. In other words, Columbus was wrong, and his critics were right!

Accusation of Christianity

In the late nineteenth century, two atheistic skeptics, Andrew Dickson White and John Draper, created the conflict thesis that Christianity held back the progress of science. One of their major arguments was that throughout the Middle Ages the church had taught that the earth was flat. In creating this myth, Draper and White suggested that the church could redeem itself for this supposed error on the earth’s shape by getting in on the ground floor of Darwinism. This ploy was very successful in that much of the church capitulated on evolution. It also falsely altered history. It is this false version of history that most people have learned.