Flat Earth: Why doesn't a Plane's altitude meter (gyroscope) pitch up and down if it's a round earth

[Rygaku]

Let's look at that one part of your response more closely - "God just didn't want them to be like Him."

That's understandable. But it raises some concerns.
Here are facts:

• god created the heavens and the earth
• god created adam
• god created eve
• god commanded them to not eat from the tree
• god knew they would eat from the tree
• they ate from the tree

god knew, beforehand, that they would eat from the tree. It wasn't even a fair test. It was just part of god's "plan". To make it worse, he chastises A&E and curses the serpent for doing things exactly as he had planned.

And that is what i call a incompetent creator, it's more or less a child knowingly making a mistake.

 

[ecco]

...It is believed that the original Nephelim could have been 150 feet tall. I don't have proof of this other than this size is taken from the book of Enoch. The giants faced by the Israelite's, the first time the were to enter the promised land, saw them to be like grasshoppers and were as tall as cedar trees. That is from the Bible. It could be that the first Nephelim were much larger and as the genetics were diluted the giants grew progressively smaller. Who knows.

RE:

According to this site:
http://mirrorspectrum.com/behind-th...nts-lived-in-communities-in-ecuador-and-peru#

Ever since the first discovery happened in 2013, half a dozen human skeletons were discovered. It is believed that these remains date back to early 1400s and the mid-1500s.
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Not exactly "the original Nephelim "

According to...
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/c...s-from-1400-1500-ce-found-near-cuenca-ecuador

If this seems to have a ring of familiarity to it, it would be because the area where this supposedly happened is the famous Tayos Cave of Ecuador, where Erich von Däniken alleged that space aliens had constructed laser-carved caves filled with golden statues and texts.
​

... they are more likely the remains of aliens.

 

[ecco]

If I could comment on this one point. God was forced to sacrifice his only begotten son right from the moment of the first sin in the garden. It was not a "things didn't go well again" scenario. It was "man messed up at the very beginning"

Satan's first plan was to destroy the relationship with God and humans, which he did. After that, he was trying to destroy the bloodline of humans in such a way that Christ would not be able to be totally human and therefore couldn't be a savior. Then he tried to make us believe he didn't exist and even more powerful, that God doesn't exist.

RE: "Satan's first plan was to destroy the relationship with God and humans, which he did."

However, Satan's plan was just a small part of god's plan. god knew, long before creation, that the serpent would tempt A&E. god knew, long before creation, that A&E would succumb to the temptation.


RE: "God was forced to sacrifice his only begotten son right from the moment of the first sin in the garden"

No, god knew, long before creation, that he would sacrifice his only begotten son.

 

[JacksBratt]

Let's look at that one part of your response more closely - "God just didn't want them to be like Him."

That's understandable. But it raises some concerns.
Here are facts:

• god created the heavens and the earth
• god created adam
• god created eve
• god commanded them to not eat from the tree
• god knew they would eat from the tree
• they ate from the tree

god knew, beforehand, that they would eat from the tree. It wasn't even a fair test. It was just part of god's "plan". To make it worse, he chastises A&E and curses the serpent for doing things exactly as he had planned.

god knew, beforehand, that they would eat from the tree.

Did He?

What other incites into what God is thinking can you provide?
Did He know Lucifer would rebel?
Cain would kill Abel?
Abraham would sleep with Hagar?
David would sleep with Bathsheba?

And, at what point should He have controlled the situation?

If humans were never tempted or tested our purity would be fake. Only Christ lived a human life of all the trials and temptations without sin. This is why He could be our replacement

We have free will. Free will with no choice but righteousness is not free will of anything.

All God said was don't eat this one thing. Not that hard, really. Considering all the options they had in the garden.

It wasn't the lure of another tasty fruit, it was the desire to have knowledge and be like God that got them.

 

[pgp_protector]

RE:

According to this site:
http://mirrorspectrum.com/behind-th...nts-lived-in-communities-in-ecuador-and-peru#

Ever since the first discovery happened in 2013, half a dozen human skeletons were discovered. It is believed that these remains date back to early 1400s and the mid-1500s.
​

Not exactly "the original Nephelim "

According to...
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/c...s-from-1400-1500-ce-found-near-cuenca-ecuador

If this seems to have a ring of familiarity to it, it would be because the area where this supposedly happened is the famous Tayos Cave of Ecuador, where Erich von Däniken alleged that space aliens had constructed laser-carved caves filled with golden statues and texts.
​

... they are more likely the remains of aliens.

Except if you look at my above link, you'll see that these are an ART Project. and 100% FAKE.

 

[JacksBratt]

RE:

According to this site:
http://mirrorspectrum.com/behind-th...nts-lived-in-communities-in-ecuador-and-peru#

Ever since the first discovery happened in 2013, half a dozen human skeletons were discovered. It is believed that these remains date back to early 1400s and the mid-1500s.
​

Not exactly "the original Nephelim "

According to...
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/c...s-from-1400-1500-ce-found-near-cuenca-ecuador

If this seems to have a ring of familiarity to it, it would be because the area where this supposedly happened is the famous Tayos Cave of Ecuador, where Erich von Däniken alleged that space aliens had constructed laser-carved caves filled with golden statues and texts.
​

... they are more likely the remains of aliens.

Do you believe in aliens? Or are the "aliens" from the spiritual dimension not other planets?

There is evidence of technology long lost but remember, the angels that created the Nephilem by mating with human women also gave humans the knowledge of warfare, astrology, genetics, metallurgy, make up, sorcery and a number of other things.

I don't believe there is any skeletal evidence of the original Nephelim, However there is evidence in what they left behind and their bloodline.

 

[ecco]

ecco said: ↑

Let's look at that one part of your response more closely - "God just didn't want them to be like Him."​

That's understandable. But it raises some concerns.
Here are facts:

• god created the heavens and the earth
• god created adam
• god created eve
• god commanded them to not eat from the tree
• god knew they would eat from the tree
• they ate from the tree

god knew, beforehand, that they would eat from the tree. It wasn't even a fair test. It was just part of god's "plan". To make it worse, he chastises A&E and curses the serpent for doing things exactly as he had planned.​

And that is what i call a incompetent creator, it's more or less a child knowingly making a mistake.

I must disagree somewhat. It's more like a child dousing a kitten with lighter fluid, setting it afire and watching it scramble.

However, you post brings to mind a theory I have had for a long time.

The god of our universe is not The God. The god of our universe is the young child of The God. One of many children. When the child gods attain a certain age, The God gives them the ability to create a universe as they see fit. Much like a human parent in this universe gives a child a set of Leggos or an ant farm. Except that the child god is omniscient, omnipotent, etc.

 

[ecco]

Except if you look at my above link, you'll see that these are an ART Project. and 100% FAKE.

Which makes it all the more interesting that they are featured in this news story from...

Mirrorspectrum
Your daily source of news

http://mirrorspectrum.com/behind-th...nts-lived-in-communities-in-ecuador-and-peru#

Giant skeletons prove that giants lived in communities in Ecuador and Peru
October 12, 2015

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Remains of giant skeletons unearthed in the Ecuador and Peru Amazon are currently being examined in Germany. These giant skeletons are seven and eight feet tall.
According to British anthropologist Russell Dement, the researchers still have to work a lot on this discovery. Such a discovery is of great anthropological and medical importance.

Ever since the first discovery happened in 2013, half a dozen human skeletons were discovered. It is believed that these remains date back to early 1400s and the mid-1500s.
​

But, I'll go along with 100% fake.

 

[florida2]

Which makes it all the more interesting that they are featured in this news story from...

Mirrorspectrum
Your daily source of news

http://mirrorspectrum.com/behind-th...nts-lived-in-communities-in-ecuador-and-peru#

Giant skeletons prove that giants lived in communities in Ecuador and Peru
October 12, 2015

​

Remains of giant skeletons unearthed in the Ecuador and Peru Amazon are currently being examined in Germany. These giant skeletons are seven and eight feet tall.
According to British anthropologist Russell Dement, the researchers still have to work a lot on this discovery. Such a discovery is of great anthropological and medical importance.

Ever since the first discovery happened in 2013, half a dozen human skeletons were discovered. It is believed that these remains date back to early 1400s and the mid-1500s.​

But, I'll go along with 100% fake.

As far as I can tell this 'Russell Dement' doesn't even exist. It's just yet another poor fake.

 

[JacksBratt]

Then why'd he take so long to do it if he knew he had to?

I have no claim to know why God did things the way He did.

Which makes it even stranger that God waited so long to do it.

Again, if you assume to know why God did things the way He did.

He didn't do a very good job, since most humans believe they both exist.

Do they, really? or are the numbers dwindling?

RE: "Satan's first plan was to destroy the relationship with God and humans, which he did."

However, Satan's plan was just a small part of god's plan. god knew, long before creation, that the serpent would tempt A&E. god knew, long before creation, that A&E would succumb to the temptation.


RE: "God was forced to sacrifice his only begotten son right from the moment of the first sin in the garden"

No, god knew, long before creation, that he would sacrifice his only begotten son.

If He did.... It's all going to work out just fine then, isn't it? And every human has had free will to chose what their fate is.

 

[JacksBratt]

Which makes it all the more interesting that they are featured in this news story from...

Mirrorspectrum
Your daily source of news

http://mirrorspectrum.com/behind-th...nts-lived-in-communities-in-ecuador-and-peru#

Giant skeletons prove that giants lived in communities in Ecuador and Peru
October 12, 2015

​

Remains of giant skeletons unearthed in the Ecuador and Peru Amazon are currently being examined in Germany. These giant skeletons are seven and eight feet tall.
According to British anthropologist Russell Dement, the researchers still have to work a lot on this discovery. Such a discovery is of great anthropological and medical importance.

Ever since the first discovery happened in 2013, half a dozen human skeletons were discovered. It is believed that these remains date back to early 1400s and the mid-1500s.​

But, I'll go along with 100% fake.

Of course they are. As are all the other skeletal remains found throughout North and south America, Australia, Europe and the middle east. All the huge skulls found all over this planet, all the Mesolithic structures and explainable archaeological finds and discoveries. Every newspaper article and native American legend and a quote from honest Abe himself:

“The eyes of that species of extinct giant, whose bones fill the mounds of America, have gazed on Niagara as our eyes do now.” Abraham Lincoln, 1848

Of course, if all this was as true as you believe "Lucy" and Emst Haekel's drawings, Piltdown, Java and Nebraska Man, Archaeorapter, and Orce Man....to be you, would be walking down the road kicking your lunchbox full of previous reality.

Therefore "it can't be true or my beliefs would be wrong" NOT because it's false.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Of course they are. As are all the other skeletal remains found throughout North and south America, Australia, Europe and the middle east. All the huge skulls found all over this planet, all the Mesolithic structures and explainable archaeological finds and discoveries. Every newspaper article and native American legend and a quote from honest Abe himself:

“The eyes of that species of extinct giant, whose bones fill the mounds of America, have gazed on Niagara as our eyes do now.” Abraham Lincoln, 1848

Of course, if all this was as true as you believe "Lucy" and Emst Haekel's drawings, Piltdown, Java and Nebraska Man, Archaeorapter, and Orce Man....to be you, would be walking down the road kicking your lunchbox full of previous reality.

Therefore "it can't be true or my beliefs would be wrong" NOT because it's false.

I have to ask: do you have a source for that Lincoln quote?

 

[pgp_protector]

I have to ask: do you have a source for that Lincoln quote?

Appears to of been talking about the Mammoth & Mastodon.
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln2/1:6?rgn=div1;view=fulltext

"But still there is more. It calls up the indefinite past.
When Columbus first sought this continent — when Christ
suffered on the cross — when Moses led Israel through the
Red Sea — nay, even when Adam first came from the hand
of the Maker: then, as now, Niagara was roaring here.
The eyes of that species of extinct giants whose bones
fill the mounds of America have gazed on Niagara, as
ours do now. Contemporary with the first race of men,
and older than the first man, Niagara is strong and
fresh today as ten thousand years ago. The Mammoth
and Mastodon, so long dead that fragments of their mon-
strous bones alone testify that they ever lived, have
gazed on Niagara — in that long, long time never still for
a single moment (never dried) , never froze, never slept,
never rested."

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Appears to of been talking about the Mammoth & Mastodon.
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln2/1:6?rgn=div1;view=fulltext

Okay. Seems like a misunderstanding of a then-contemporary view of the Bible.

 

[JacksBratt]

Appears to of been talking about the Mammoth & Mastodon.
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln2/1:6?rgn=div1;view=fulltext

This would make sense if the bones of Mammoth's were in the mounds of North America.

However, it is well documented and, of course, gets a good nose thumbing by evolutionists, that the serpent mounds and other mounds and caves of North America and South America contained bones of very large human like beings. Not Mammoths.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

This would make sense if the bones of Mammoth's were in the mounds of North America.

However, it is well documented and, of course, gets a good nose thumbing by evolutionists, that the serpent mounds and other mounds and caves of North America and South America contained bones of very large human like beings. Not Mammoths.

Do you have evidence (I will have to admit that American history is not a topic I am very well versed on outside of military history)?

 

[ecco]

god knew, beforehand, that they would eat from the tree.

Did He?

What other incites into what God is thinking can you provide?
Did He know Lucifer would rebel?
Cain would kill Abel?
Abraham would sleep with Hagar?
David would sleep with Bathsheba?

And, at what point should He have controlled the situation?

If humans were never tempted or tested our purity would be fake. Only Christ lived a human life of all the trials and temptations without sin. This is why He could be our replacement

We have free will. Free will with no choice but righteousness is not free will of anything.

All God said was don't eat this one thing. Not that hard, really. Considering all the options they had in the garden.

It wasn't the lure of another tasty fruit, it was the desire to have knowledge and be like God that got them.

Don't you believe god is omniscient?

 

[JacksBratt]

Do you have evidence (I will have to admit that American history is not a topic I am very well versed on outside of military history)?

I checked a map and I was wrong, Mammoths were found in the continental US. However, the mounds are where the giant humanoids were found that Abe was talking about. Take it what ever way you will. There are still mounds of documents of giant human like beings with cone shaped heads, six fingers, double rows of teeth, red hair, cannibalistic habits and great strength, in 19th century papers and documents as well as Indian lore all over the Americas.

 

[JacksBratt]

Don't you believe god is omniscient?

Of Course I do. But I don't believe He set them up to fail. It was, as it always is, up to the person to make the choice to conciously disobey a parent, boss, superior officer, or creator.

I think you are right, that He knew. But I don't think it was His plan or wish. I believe He had to give free will in order to know who loved and honored Him and not just gave lip service.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I checked a map and I was wrong, Mammoths were found in the continental US. However, the mounds are where the giant humanoids were found that Abe was talking about. Take it what ever way you will. There are still mounds of documents of giant human like beings with cone shaped heads, six fingers, double rows of teeth, red hair, cannibalistic habits and great strength, in 19th century papers and documents as well as Indian lore all over the Americas.

Again: what mounds? Show ACTUAL, HISTORICAL evidence of their being giants with 'cone shaped heads, six fingers, double rows of teeth, red hair, cannibalistic habits and great strength.'
Not from tabloids, not from spoken-word lore. But actual, historical evidence.

And as an aside, red hair is not too big a deal. Gingers exist. And cannibalism (regretfully) does also happen, and is not just unique to 'giants'.