Flat Earth: Why doesn't a Plane's altitude meter (gyroscope) pitch up and down if it's a round earth

[mmksparbud]

• God makes A&E in the manner he chose.
• A&E the most intelligent people how ever lived, people with perfect brains (your words), disobey his one command.
• Things go downhill "till God had to wipe them out" and essentially start over.
• Things don't go well again, so he has to sacrifice his only begotten son.
• Things keep going downhill and now we are headed toward the rapture and the second coming.

Did my limited intelligence and lack of common sense get that right?



One of us has.

• God makes A&E in the manner he chose.
• A&E the most intelligent people how ever lived, people with perfect brains (your words), disobey his one command.
• Things go downhill "till God had to wipe them out" and essentially start over.
• Things don't go well again, so he has to sacrifice his only begotten son.
• Things keep going downhill and now we are headed toward the rapture and the second coming.

This is what your perfect god planned, designed and executed. All that planning and designing, with absolute knowledge beforehand, results in a world filled with suffering, that lasts less than 10,000 years. All so a few people (like yourself?) will spend eternity in his glorious heaven.

This is what your intelligence and common sense tells you.

LOL!!---Spoken as expected. God may know what is going to be, but He doesn't force anyone to do what He wants. Lucifer chose to rebel and he took 1/3 of the angels with him. God did not wipe them out---there was a whole universe watching. We are not the only ones. Had He destroyed them, they, the remaining, would have obeyed Him out of fear. He choose to let the universe see what choosing to go against His love brings. He provided a way to bring back those who would want to come back to Him through His Son--He paid the penalty for all--it's a done deal, all anyone has to do is accept it, that was planned before Adam and Eve fell. There are billions and billions of beings out there, galaxies, we are the only ones that fell. Satan is the accuser--that is what his name means. He accused God of all sorts of things, being unfair and so forth. He didn't win over the 1/3 by declaring how wonderful He is. The remaining ones are watching the outcome--and they have seen now, by the death of God's Son and the sorrow and misery that this world has gone through, the end result of sin. There is no more wondering who is right.
And now, we all await His return and the end of sin. It can never come back--everyone has seen now---except for those like you who refuse to see.

 

[JacksBratt]

Again: what mounds? Show ACTUAL, HISTORICAL evidence of their being giants with 'cone shaped heads, six fingers, double rows of teeth, red hair, cannibalistic habits and great strength.'
Not from tabloids, not from spoken-word lore. But actual, historical evidence.

Let's start here:

2 Samuel 21:20King James Version (KJV)
20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

1 Chronicles 20:6King James Version (KJV)
6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot and he also was the son of the giant.

Then:

http://www.sott.net/article/256712-...-found-in-Wisconsin-Sons-of-god-Men-of-renown

http://www.beforeus.com/email/article/article6_The_Lost_World_of_Giants.html

http://www.sott.net/article/281093-...an-Indian-mounds-and-the-Smithsonian-cover-up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Giant_(mythology)

http://humansarefree.com/2015/08/the-ancient-giants-with-six-fingers-and.html

http://beforeitsnews.com/strange/20...g-war-against-the-cannibal-giants-566764.html

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news...uman-skeleton-unearthed-varna-bulgaria-002787

http://themindunleashed.org/2014/01/ancient-elongated-skulls-found-peru-human.html


Of course, people will say they are all hoaxes.... and that is enough to make it all go away?

And as an aside, red hair is not too big a deal. Gingers exist. And cannibalism (regretfully) does also happen, and is not just unique to 'giants'.

"Gingers" honestly, is that not politically incorrect? Anyway, I know that there are people with red hair. The thing is, many of the giants, oddly enough, had red hair. It seems to be a common detail.

 

[[serious]]

This would make sense if the bones of Mammoth's were in the mounds of North America.

Yes, it would.

However, it is well documented and, of course, gets a good nose thumbing by evolutionists, that the serpent mounds and other mounds and caves of North America and South America contained bones of very large human like beings. Not Mammoths.

Source?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Let's start here:

2 Samuel 21:20King James Version (KJV)
20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

1 Chronicles 20:6King James Version (KJV)
6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot and he also was the son of the giant.

The Bible is a claim, not evidence. And 'great stature' is an ambiguous term. Henry VIII was a man of great stature for his time period (6 foot when the average height was on the low end of 5 foot). I have a Korean guy in my high school who was 6 foot at 17, and one of my friends in high school was 6 foot at 19. Both of those people could constitute as being of 'great stature'.

Then:

I'm only quoting this word because ALL of the articles you gave me show NOTHING. They give no citations for their claims. They merely repeat hearsay, Chinese whispers and bad science.

I will ask again: show me ACTUAL EVIDENCE for their being actual giants, as you claim there were. Because that is all you have given me: claims. No actual, historical evidence of their being giants.

 

[[serious]]

Again: what mounds? Show ACTUAL, HISTORICAL evidence of their being giants with 'cone shaped heads, six fingers, double rows of teeth, red hair, cannibalistic habits and great strength.'
Not from tabloids, not from spoken-word lore. But actual, historical evidence.

And as an aside, red hair is not too big a deal. Gingers exist. And cannibalism (regretfully) does also happen, and is not just unique to 'giants'.

I've got a photo:

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I've got a photo:

Wow. I'm feeling my age because I am drawing a blank on this show.
Plus, I think that a bit of historical context needs to be used with this. What would the average height be for the people of the Middle East during (just taking a stab here) 200BC? I'm sure that if we travelled back in time to that period and region, a modern day human would be considered as being 'giants'.

 

[pgp_protector]

Wow. I'm feeling my age because I am drawing a blank on this show.
Plus, I think that a bit of historical context needs to be used with this. What would the average height be for the people of the Middle East during (just taking a stab here) 200BC? I'm sure that if we travelled back in time to that period and region, a modern day human would be considered as being 'giants'.

Coneheads, Saturday Night Live

 

[JacksBratt]

Wow. I'm feeling my age because I am drawing a blank on this show.
Plus, I think that a bit of historical context needs to be used with this. What would the average height be for the people of the Middle East during (just taking a stab here) 200BC? I'm sure that if we travelled back in time to that period and region, a modern day human would be considered as being 'giants'.

On what would you base this assumption?

 

[ecco]

Coneheads, Saturday Night Live

And more recently in State Farm commercials...

 

[ecco]

Previously...
ecco said: ↑

Let's look at that one part of your response more closely - "God just didn't want them to be like Him."
That's understandable. But it raises some concerns.
Here are facts:

• god created the heavens and the earth
• god created adam
• god created eve
• god commanded them to not eat from the tree
• god knew they would eat from the tree
• they ate from the tree

god knew, beforehand, that they would eat from the tree. It wasn't even a fair test. It was just part of god's "plan". To make it worse, he chastises A&E and curses the serpent for doing things exactly as he had planned.

god knew, beforehand, that they would eat from the tree.
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JacksBratt:

Did He?
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ecco:

Don't you believe god is omniscient?​

Of Course I do. But I don't believe He set them up to fail. It was, as it always is, up to the person to make the choice to conciously disobey a parent, boss, superior officer, or creator.

I think you are right, that He knew. But I don't think it was His plan or wish. I believe He had to give free will in order to know who loved and honored Him and not just gave lip service.

You have stated that you believe...

• People have free will. People can choose.
• God is omniscient. God will know their choices from before creation.

So, how can you state..."I don't think it was His plan"?

He created A&E with the knowledge of speech. He created in A&E an ability to understand. He created A&E with a level of morals to the exact degree wanted. If he knew they would fail (and you agree he did), then, obviously, that was his plan.

 

[ecco]

ecco previously:

• God makes A&E in the manner he chose.
• A&E the most intelligent people who ever lived, people with perfect brains (your words), disobey his one command.
• Things go downhill "till God had to wipe them out" and essentially start over.
• Things don't go well again, so he has to sacrifice his only begotten son.
• Things keep going downhill and now we are headed toward the rapture and the second coming.

This is what your perfect god planned, designed and executed. All that planning and designing, with absolute knowledge beforehand, results in a world filled with suffering, that lasts less than 10,000 years. All so a few people (like yourself?) will spend eternity in his glorious heaven.

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God may know what is going to be, but He doesn't force anyone to do what He wants.

I said nothing about forcing anyone.

However, when you state -god may know-, you are making an ambiguous statement. Either:

• god does know what is going to be - god is omniscient

-or-

• god does not know what is going to be - god is not omniscient

Let's clarify your viewpoint before going any further.

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[mmksparbud]

ecco previously:

• God makes A&E in the manner he chose.
• A&E the most intelligent people who ever lived, people with perfect brains (your words), disobey his one command.
• Things go downhill "till God had to wipe them out" and essentially start over.
• Things don't go well again, so he has to sacrifice his only begotten son.
• Things keep going downhill and now we are headed toward the rapture and the second coming.

This is what your perfect god planned, designed and executed. All that planning and designing, with absolute knowledge beforehand, results in a world filled with suffering, that lasts less than 10,000 years. All so a few people (like yourself?) will spend eternity in his glorious heaven.

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I said nothing about forcing anyone.

However, when you state -god may know-, you are making an ambiguous statement. Either:

• god does know what is going to be - god is omniscient

-or-

• god does not know what is going to be - god is not omniscient

Let's clarify your viewpoint before going any further.

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You didn't get past the first sentence?!---OK--Sorry if that sounds wishy washy---Yes--He knows---no He won't force you to do His will. You can choose to disobey. He has a plan for you--you can go against it. He then puts plan B into motion--you can ignore that plan, too--He then sets plan C in motion--so on. At some point, you run out of time. He gives you all the chances to choose Him, so that come judgement time, no one can say "Not fair!" Now go back and read the rest of what I wrote before we go any further! 'cause I already know what your next statement is going to be--so read it all first.

 

[mmksparbud]

Ecco---You do realize that this has gone totally off topic and the mods are going to come in and close this down pretty soon?! Perhaps this discussion should go to another thread??

 

[AceHero]

I've always been of the opinion that we most definitely have lost a great deal of knowledge from the pre flood peoples. Adam and Eve were created perfect--with perfectly functioning brains, I don' think we can comprehend what that means. There are what are called idiot-savants--don't like that word. But they are capable of astounding mental feats. Can memorize whole phone books and such. Just try to imagine a brain that is totally savant--no idiot part--(except that even the most intelligent may have no common sense!) Their descendants were not some dull witted, grunting, low lives sitting around gnawing on bones. These were remarkable intelligent humans with a very long life span--we only have around 60 years to hone our talents and learn our crafts--they had hundreds of years and pooled their knowledge--there was only one language after the flood, and more than likely only one language before the flood.
With their kind of brain power, I doubt very much they were running around in primitive animal skins--I know what I have learned about working with materials since I started sewing at the age of 9--I am almost 65 and my mental powers are dwindling---theirs were just getting started. Every area of knowledge would have been examined, explored, added to, expanded on by others also. By the time of the flood, I doubt there was anything we do know now, that they hadn't done, including flying and even genetic tinkering. Noah and his family may have carried on some of that knowledge, but could not have carried on all of it and life was dramatically shortened after that, and then the confounding of the languages. There were probably pockets of knowledge that the most elite probably hoarded (that's human nature) and when they died so did that knowledge. Of course, the bible doesn't say anything about this, just my opinion.

Or the Book of Genesis is just one giant allegory. That's how I see it.

 

[TrannasapiensRex]

Moon could be 2-d for all we care. No one has proved it is spherical.

People have landed on moon and when they looked backed at the earth they said "earth could be 2-d for all we care. No one has proved it is spherical."

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

On what would you base this assumption?

Because the average human height has increased throughout history (4 inches in Western Europe over the last 100 years). And people who lived around the time of the Bible being written would probably not have exceeded past the 5 foot mark.
Therefore, if a modern Human went back in time to the Middle East during that time period, we would be combined with our increased musculature and girth (to use the words of the Bible), 'men of great stature'.
Personally I could use that ego trip because I'm constantly annoyed I'm running in to people who are younger than me but are also taller than I am.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Coneheads, Saturday Night Live

And more recently in State Farm commercials...

Ah. We don't get SNL over here in the UK.

 

[ecco]

You didn't get past the first sentence?!---OK--Sorry if that sounds wishy washy---Yes--He knows---no He won't force you to do His will. You can choose to disobey. He has a plan for you--you can go against it. He then puts plan B into motion--you can ignore that plan, too--He then sets plan C in motion--so on. At some point, you run out of time. He gives you all the chances to choose Him, so that come judgement time, no one can say "Not fair!" Now go back and read the rest of what I wrote before we go any further! 'cause I already know what your next statement is going to be--so read it all first.

I said nothing about forcing anyone.

However, when you state -god may know-, you are making an ambiguous statement. Either:

• god does know what is going to be - god is omniscient

-or-

• god does not know what is going to be - god is not omniscient

Let's clarify your viewpoint before going any further.

It's really a simple either/or question. Why do you avoid answering it directly?

However, a careful reading of your above response indicates you do not believe god is omniscient.
You state he develops plans on the fly depending on my choices.
If god is omniscient, he wouldn't be making decisions on the fly based on my choices.
If god is omniscient he knew long before creation what my choices are going to be.

 

[JacksBratt]

Because the average human height has increased throughout history (4 inches in Western Europe over the last 100 years). And people who lived around the time of the Bible being written would probably not have exceeded past the 5 foot mark.
Therefore, if a modern Human went back in time to the Middle East during that time period, we would be combined with our increased musculature and girth (to use the words of the Bible), 'men of great stature'.
Personally I could use that ego trip because I'm constantly annoyed I'm running in to people who are younger than me but are also taller than I am.

That's quite a stretch, no pun intended. However, There are people who have claimed to have found the grave of Noah and it was 18 feed long.

Anyway, this thread is way off the OP so I won't be continuing with this topic on this thread. Most posters are done here, I believe.

 

[ecco]

Ecco---You do realize that this has gone totally off topic and the mods are going to come in and close this down pretty soon?! Perhaps this discussion should go to another thread??

Your post #543...

I've always been of the opinion that we most definitely have lost a great deal of knowledge from the pre flood peoples. Adam and Eve were created perfect--with perfectly functioning brains
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...Was not on the topic of...

Flat Earth: Why doesn't a Plane's altitude meter (gyroscope) pitch up and down if it's a round earth
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But, point taken.