Flat Earth: Why doesn't a Plane's altitude meter (gyroscope) pitch up and down if it's a round earth

[lasthero]

Or, maybe we are for swallowing NASA koolaid. Saying "we have known X for centuries" is not a good foundation for argument.

BUT WE HAVE. Even longer than that, really.

And, again, NASA is not the only space agency in the world. Even if NASA was lying, why would all the other ones be lying, too?

Heck, why would NASA be lying in the first place? What reasn would anyone have to cover up the world being flat?

 

[Xalith]

On Cruising:

A Car's Cruise Control adjusts engine power and fuel consumption to maintain a specific speed. Let's say you set your car at 55MPH Cruise Control. When the car goes uphill, you will see the speedometer fall a little and then hear the engine rev a bit as the car's computer knows it must put forth extra power to maintain 55MPH going uphill.

An airplane does the same thing.

If you set the Cruise Control to, say, 10,000 feet, the airplane's computer knows that it must adjust the elevators periodically to maintain 10,000 feet, as well as adjust engine power depending on several factors like wind, heading, etc. Just because the airplane maintains at 10,000 feet because you got it on "Cruise" doesn't mean it isn't constantly adjusting the wingflaps to make sure you stay at 10,000 feet, lol.

That's a ludicrous assumption to make. Setting Cruise Control doesn't mean you put a brick on the gas pedal and leave it there.

EDIT: I get this idea that @morse86 is picturing "Cruise" as something like typing rope on the flight yoke and leaving it there. The whole point of Cruise is so that you tell the computer what heading you want to maintain and what altitude and airspeed you want to maintain and the computer does all of the calculations. Once you get up to 10,050 feet, then the computer pitches down just slightly for a few seconds until you get to 9,950 feet, and then the computer pitches back up until you're 10,050 etc etc etc.

 

[TheQuietRiot]

Or, maybe we are for swallowing NASA koolaid. Saying "we have known X for centuries" is not a good foundation for argument.

As I said in the previous post which you completely ignored NASA is not the world's only space program.

It is beyond belief that we are having thia debate in 2015.

 

[AceHero]

However, if there is a great hoax here, all I can say is.....there goes the big bang and evolution. There goes all of NASA's trillions of dollars of spending. This would be the biggest scam of mankind.

Minor note, but NASA isn't spending trillions of dollars. They take up a very small percentage of the annual budget.

I could barely speak as I read that. Trillions? No wonder the country's in debt—most of our budget goes to NASA!

You cannot prove a globe earth without NASA data

Baloney. People figured out the world was round thousands of years ago, using simple math.

Which makes the flat earth argument even sadder.

Seriously, people.

America is not the only country in the world.

Seriously, NASA was started by German science. Everything, space related, is governed by NASA

There are a lot of space agencies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government_space_agencies

Most of history is manipulated. Who can really be sure that the greek philosphers even existed. Maybe they are "written" as part of history. People 500 years did think the earth was flat, even the catholic church believed it.

The USGS puts a lot of confidence in the flat earth map, they still use it, and they make the worlds maps.

Then what's the point of arguing if you're just going to pull the "history is a lies so you're wrong" card?

If history is wrong, and the earth isn't spherical, what makes you think it's flat? Why can't it be neither, if everything is a deception?

I think a large factor is that we have known the earth is a globe for several centuries and people who insist the world is flat are clearly deluded.

Or, maybe we are for swallowing NASA koolaid. Saying "we have known X for centuries" is not a good foundation for argument.

There are many scientific things we've known to be true for centuries. Why should this be any different?

 

[JacksBratt]

BUT WE HAVE. Even longer than that, really.

And, again, NASA is not the only space agency in the world. Even if NASA was lying, why would all the other ones be lying, too?

Heck, why would NASA be lying in the first place? What reasn would anyone have to cover up the world being flat?

I like this post....

First, if we new something really really long... doesn't convince me. Who would you believe more, scientists with quills and hourglasses or with modern technology? Scientists and clergy told the whole world that the earth was a globe. You think that if they found out that they were wrong, in 1957, they would just announce it to the world? Can you imagine????


Second, NASA and All the countries in the Antarctica treaty are united on this. They found out something in 1957 and shut the continent down to the rest of the world. A lot of weird stuff happened, in many countries, after Admiral Byrd came back from his expedition. What did they learn??? If NASA is lying , the rest would follow the code.

Third, if they found the world to be flat.....a big if....BUT think about it.....Big Bang, gone. Evolution totally re written if it could take the hit, Bible, supported on many levels, Solar system, reassessed and explained. Theory of gravity, the list goes on,,, If we are in God's snow globe there would be endless explanations needed from all institutions of science and education and research.

What reason for a cover up? Indeed.

 

[JacksBratt]

I could barely speak as I read that. Trillions? No wonder the country's in debt—most of our budget goes to NASA!

Ya , Guess that was an exaggeration. Lets just say a lot of money.

Which makes the flat earth argument even sadder.

Simple math that even you can try if you dare. This from a guy who is not a flat earther but trying to wrap his head around some weird facts, just like me.

• How can a person, standing at sea level, clearly view an object only 6 to 7 feet tall that is roughly 5 miles away if that object, according to the inverse square law should be approximately 200 inches below the horizon following the curvature of the Earth? (I have personally experienced this)

There are a lot of space agencies.

Yup and all belong to nations who are part of the Antarctic treaty.

Then what's the point of arguing if you're just going to pull the "history is a lies so you're wrong" card?

Not my post but,,,, ever notice, the longer you perpetuate a lie the the more lies you tell to hide it.

If history is wrong, and the earth isn't spherical, what makes you think it's flat? Why can't it be neither, if everything is a deception?

It may not be flat. it may not be a ball. We just want to know what it actually is. Someone knows and the public cannot probably handle the real facts.

There are many scientific things we've known to be true for centuries. Why should this be any different?

I don't know. But if it's false it's false. Who gets to decide what are age old errors and what are sound truths? Who has the right to keep truth from the rest of the world.

 

[JacksBratt]

The things that make me question the flat earth are:
Satellite TV, just what am I pointing my dish at?
Orbiting man made objects, can we still do low altitude orbits within the firmament?
Falling Stars.

The rest works with a globe or flat earth.

 

[JacksBratt]

This is one thing that intrigues me about a globe model.

 

[AceHero]

I could barely speak as I read that. Trillions? No wonder the country's in debt—most of our budget goes to NASA!

Ya , Guess that was an exaggeration. Lets just say a lot of money.

About $17.6 billion, which is only about 0.5% of the national budget, and they do far more than just shoot things into space.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA

There are a lot of space agencies.

Yup and all belong to nations who are part of the Antarctic treaty.

Can you explain what you're talking about?

If history is wrong, and the earth isn't spherical, what makes you think it's flat? Why can't it be neither, if everything is a deception?

It may not be flat. it may not be a ball. We just want to know what it actually is. Someone knows and the public cannot probably handle the real facts.

Why? If the earth is flat, that would've been settled long ago before the space age even began. What did someone 2,000 years ago have to gain from lying about whether the earth was spherical or not?

 

[AceHero]

Satellite TV, just what am I pointing my dish at?

A special case of geosynchronous orbit is the geostationary orbit, which is a circular geosynchronous orbit at zero inclination (that is, directly above the equator). A satellite in a geostationary orbit appears stationary, always at the same point in the sky, to ground observers. Popularly or loosely, the term "geosynchronous" may be used to mean geostationary. Specifically, geosynchronous Earth orbit (GEO) may be a synonym for geosynchronous equatorial orbit, or geostationary Earth orbit. Communications satellites are often given geostationary orbits, or close to geostationary, so that the satellite antennas that communicate with them do not have to move, but can be pointed permanently at the fixed location in the sky where the satellite appears.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit

 

[JacksBratt]

About $17.6 billion, which is only about 0.5% of the national budget, and they do far more than just shoot things into space.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA
Still a boat load of money if it's a load of bull.

Can you explain what you're talking about?

Best if you google it. Too much for me to type. Look up Admiral Byrd too.

Why? If the earth is flat, that would've been settled long ago before the space age even began. What did someone 2,000 years ago have to gain from lying about whether the earth was spherical or not?

2000 years ago? was that the correct period of time?

Anyway, they probably thought they were totally on the level and maybe they are. I'm just asking questions and searching for truth.

 

[morse86]

How exactly do you know the feed you're getting is from a satellite instead of ground based communications or a telecommunications ballon? How have you verified other than reading NASA garbage? There is research to show that we can bounce signals off the atomsphere.

All of the space agencies are the same.

Before GPS, there was LORAN. If you use Android smartphone, it constantly asks if you want to use WIFI/Cell Towers to improve the GPS accuracy. This is a very subtle trickery....it is actually using Cell Towers only to triangulate the position, of course, entirely managed by the GPS. It is controlled by military.

GPS is nothing more than a new name and some improvements of LORAN. It is ground based.

 

[JacksBratt]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit

Oh for goodness sake.................................

I know what geosynchronous orbit is. I was saying "how can they do this in a flat earth model"?

Get it, that means I'm on your side here?

 

[JacksBratt]

How exactly do you know the feed you're getting is from a satellite instead of ground based communications or a telecommunications ballon? How have you verified other than reading NASA garbage? There is research to show that we can bounce signals off the atomsphere.

All of the space agencies are the same.

Before GPS, there was LORAN. If you use Android smartphone, it constantly asks if you want to use WIFI/Cell Towers to improve the GPS accuracy. This is a very subtle trickery....it is actually using Cell Towers only to triangulate the position, of course, entirely managed by the GPS. It is controlled by military.

GPS is nothing more than a new name and some improvements of LORAN. It is ground based.

I know they can bounce signals , but I have to aim my dish at a very small spot. my buddy aims his at a very similar spot and he is 15 km away. Can they keep a balloon that motionless?

 

[JacksBratt]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit

Any answers for the lack of flights in the southern hemisphere?

 

[morse86]

I know they can bounce signals , but I have to aim my dish at a very small spot. my buddy aims his at a very similar spot and he is 15 km away. Can they keep a balloon that motionless?

Maybe they are using unidirectionnal comm towers located in one area of the earth. No idea.

One thing we can be for sure is that it isn't a satellite (or anything orbitting in the firmament). Nothing can get past the firmament as made evident by operation fishbowl. Every NASA rocket eventually leans sideways like it's about to fall off. At that point, the video feed is quickly cutoff and a CGI rendering is shown.

 

[morse86]

Any answers for the lack of flights in the southern hemisphere?

He will probably find phantom flights....ones that are already sold out, canceled at the last minute, or too expensive for the average person to "confirm".

 

[AceHero]

About $17.6 billion, which is only about 0.5% of the national budget, and they do far more than just shoot things into space.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA

Still a boat load of money if it's a load of bull.

Why are you so intent on assuming the scientists at NASA (and all other space agencies) are wrong? Think of all the astronomers and astrophysicists and engineers who have dedicated their lives to furthering the exploration of the solar system and the universe. Are they all just pawns in some elaborate scheme?

Can you explain what you're talking about?

Best if you google it. Too much for me to type. Look up Admiral Byrd too.

A quick Google search does bring up some stuff, though I've always associated him more with the Hollow Earth conspiracy theory, which of course would necessitate a spherical earth.

Why? If the earth is flat, that would've been settled long ago before the space age even began. What did someone 2,000 years ago have to gain from lying about whether the earth was spherical or not?

2000 years ago? was that the correct period of time?

The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to around the 6th century BC, when it was mentioned in ancient Greek philosophy, but remained a matter of philosophical speculation until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given. The paradigm was gradually adopted throughout the Old World during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages. A practical demonstration of Earth's sphericity was achieved by Ferdinand Magellan and Juan Sebastián Elcano's expedition's circumnavigation (1519−1522).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit

Oh for goodness sake.................................

I know what geosynchronous orbit is. I was saying "how can they do this in a flat earth model"?

Get it, that means I'm on your side here?

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[AceHero]

How exactly do you know the feed you're getting is from a satellite instead of ground based communications or a telecommunications ballon? How have you verified other than reading NASA garbage? There is research to show that we can bounce signals off the atomsphere.

All of the space agencies are the same.

Before GPS, there was LORAN. If you use Android smartphone, it constantly asks if you want to use WIFI/Cell Towers to improve the GPS accuracy. This is a very subtle trickery....it is actually using Cell Towers only to triangulate the position, of course, entirely managed by the GPS. It is controlled by military.

GPS is nothing more than a new name and some improvements of LORAN. It is ground based.

Any answers for the lack of flights in the southern hemisphere?

He will probably find phantom flights....ones that are already sold out, canceled at the last minute, or too expensive for the average person to "confirm".

Again, what would be the purpose of all this deceit?

 

[morse86]

Purpose? Does that even need an explanation, I thought it was obvious?

It is ultimately to turn people away from God. To show there is no God. To show that we are alone in an infinitely expanding universe and that there might be "other lifeforms".

Hollywood prepped the masses using garbage like Star Trek and the various space movies during the 40/50s etc. When the actual studio production of Apollo was shown, the masses naturally accepted it as truth.

Occultists love to contradict the word of God. What better way to contradict than a spherical earth. God says flat, occultists say spherical. God says earth is not movable, occultists say it is. By the way, NASA was started by occultists, actual satanists.


Have you also not heard about compartmentalization? Not everybodythat works at NASA realizes the deception. They wouldn't have to keep a secret, because their role is limited. If you think this is IMPOSSIBLE, then check out Project Manhattan. How come more than 100K employees were able to keep a secret. You cannot have it both ways.