Flat Earth: Why doesn't a Plane's altitude meter (gyroscope) pitch up and down if it's a round earth

[ecco]

Before GPS, there was LORAN. If you use Android smartphone,

Since you are now discussing GPS and LORAN and smartphones, I guess you now understand and accept why a plane flying horizontally doesn't go into orbit. Good.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Before GPS, there was LORAN.

Loran was for ships. Pilots used Omni. They have Omni signal stations every 50 miles. So the pilot could get an idea of where they are on the map. You need a more advanced instrument license if you want to fly with limited visibility. Even the commercial pilots still use visual to some degree to verify that their instruments are calibrated properly. We have a tower here that the pilots fly over it all day long. They do not like to give up their visual checkpoints.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Since you are now discussing GPS and LORAN and smartphones, I guess you now understand and accept why a plane flying horizontally doesn't go into orbit. Good.

The ATTITUDE INDICATOR shows the aircraft's position in relation to the earth's horizon. The altimeter tells you the distance from the ground. So for what your talking about there are two installments involved. The other instruments are for speed and direction. You do not want to climb to fast or you could stall out. Also there is an instrument so you do not turn to sharp. It is not that difficult, they even have an autopilot that can fly the plane. So the intelligence is just to plug all the coordinates into the system. Once you get the math figured out the auto pilot can take over. An artificial intelligence to program the auto pilot is most likely not possible according to science.

 

[joshua 1 9]

It is ultimately to turn people away from God. To show there is no God. To show that we are alone in an infinitely expanding universe and that there might be "other lifeforms".

They say if the universe is infinite then you do not need God. If there are an infinite number of universes, each with their own lifeforms, then God maintains the unity between the universes. Some more advanced than our universe, some not as advanced.

 

[lasthero]

I like this post....

First, if we new something really really long... doesn't convince me. Who would you believe more, scientists with quills and hourglasses or with modern technology? Scientists and clergy told the whole world that the earth was a globe.

Erotothesnes figured it out over two millenia ago.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

You can do what he did today and come back with the same results.

You think that if they found out that they wer wrong, in 1957, they would just announce it to the world? Can you imagine????

Imagine what? What damage would that do to them?

Second, NASA and All the countries in the Antarctica treaty are united on this.

And the ones that AREN'T a part of the treaty, but still have space programs? Like North Korea?

Third, if they found the world to be flat.....a big if....BUT think about it.....Big Bang, gone.

The Earth being round or flat has nothing to do with the Big Bang.

Evolution totally re written if it could take the hit

Evolution has nothing to do with the Earth being round.

Bible, supported on many levels

So you're telling me that NASA, an agency in a country that's predominately Christian, wouldn't want to see the Bible supported?

But at any rate, if the Earth was flat, it would be one more thing the Bible was right about, but not a big deal about itself. Even the most staunch atheist doesn't think the Bible is completely fictional - for instance, the Bible talks about Jericho, and there was an actual city called Jericho. It mentions real people like the Pontus Pilate. Acknowledging that it is right on some things doesn't mean it's right on ALL things. Pretty much all myths have at least some element of reality to them.

, Solar system, reassessed and explained. Theory of gravity, the list goes on[/color]

It would hardly be the first time scientists were wrong about something and admitted it.

If we are in God's snow globe there would be endless explanations needed from all institutions of science and education and research.

What reason for a cover up? Indeed.

Because, as we all know, scientists hate learning new things and doing research and figuring out how the world works.

 

[JacksBratt]

Because there's little-to-no reason to?

What is in the southern ends of the world except for Australia? Let's see, there's South America... and how many cities big/developed enough to have a major international airport, again, are found in the lower half of SA?

Right. Pretty much none.

Okay, how about the southern tip of Africa? Right, not many International Airports down there, either. The only area that is developed enough to have an IA is Australia. Where exactly would an Australian want to fly that he would want to pass over the South Pole? Meanwhile, the North Pole has a ton of different places, like Canada, England, Iceland, Greenland, Russia, Alaska, etc that people commonly fly to and from.

RE: @morse86 , @JacksBratt : I know fully that Hebrew has words for sphere and circle. What I'm saying is that the people who wrote these things were given visions, and in these visions, they saw what appeared to be a circular object, so they used the word "circle".

Just like John in the Book of Revelation probably didn't know what an ICBM is (just to use one quick example), which is why a lot of the things he saw in Revelation are referred to with metaphors and similes, because he simply didn't know what exactly he was seeing.

Just like if you give a kid a telescope and he looks into it and sees other planets, he might at first think they are all little shining discs up in space, even if we know by observations that they are actually balls or spheres.

I understand the reasons behind your belief here. Yet, the US and Europe are not the only places people use jetliners. South America, Australia, Africa, India and the Philippines all have major international air travel. I know, who knew? They also have thriving countries, corporations and businesses. Many people actually go to school there .

All sarcasm aside, a flight from Melbourne Aus to Santiago Chili Should be shorter and more logical if it went over the pole, Not up to Asia for a stop then to Morocco for another, then on to Chili.

And , yes, there are many many flights in theses areas. Just like the big kids in the US.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Erotothesnes figured it out over two millenia ago.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

Erotothesnes was a Greek, the Bible was written mostly by Hebrews. The Hebrews Science was based on the Chaldean, Babylon and Egyptian schools. Abraham was Chaldean, Daniel was Babylon and Moses was trained in the Egyptian school system. The Hebrews NEVER had a flat earth theory, that was based on a Greek Science that was proven to be wrong. Paul was a Hebrew of Hebrews and he was a Greek. So he was able to reconcile some of the difference between the Greek and the Hebrew way of looking at the world we live in.

 

[lasthero]

Yup and all belong to nations who are part of the Antarctic treaty.

Untrue.

First, not all countries signed at the same time. When the Russian's signed, they had already sent Sputnik into space, so you can't say they were part of any conspiracy at that point.

North Korea has a space program, but it's not a party on the treaty.

Same with Iran.

Bolivia.

Croatia.

Egypt.

I could list more, but I think the point is served.

 

[pgp_protector]

Untrue.

First, not all countries signed at the same time. When the Russian's signed, they had already sent Sputnik into space, so you can't say they were part of any conspiracy at that point.

North Korea has a space program, but it's not a party on the treaty.

Same with Iran.

Bolivia.

Croatia.

Egypt.

I could list more, but I think the point is served.

Yes, but by them not "Being in on it" only proves that they really are in on it !!!

 

[joshua 1 9]

I understand the reasons behind your belief here. Yet, the US and Europe are not the only places people use jetliners. South America, Australia, Africa, India and the Philippines all have major international air travel.

They do not build airplanes they buy them from us. They have money because they have raw resources to sell the developed nations.

The pilots do not fly over the poles and they avoid to fly over the ocean if they can. From here to Hong Kong is 17 hours. It could be 4 or 5 hours less if they took a more direct route. Last time my wife flew to Asia they landed in Anchorage Alaska for some sort of a medical emergency. The next major city would have been Beijing then Hong Kong. If they were to get in trouble over the North Pole there really is not even anyone that would rescue them. The countries fight over the Oil deposits but no one is eager to provide rescue services for anyone up there. If Russia knew how much oil there was in Alaska, I am sure they would not have sold it to us as cheap as they did.

 

[morse86]

Erotothesnes had to make 2 assumptions....the sun is millions of miles away and the earth was spherical. That's not science.

Isaiah differentiates between circle and spherical:

Isaiah 40:22:
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Isaiah 22:18:
He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.

Plus the countless other verses regarding the four corners and everybody seeing Jesus when he comes in the clouds. How can everyone see unless it was flat in the first place! A circular earth can have four corners (just like the flat earth map in the 1800s), a spherical earth cannot.

 

[JacksBratt]

Erotothesnes figured it out over two millenia ago.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

You can do what he did today and come back with the same results.

Yep, no doubt.

Imagine what? What damage would that do to them?

So, if the governments , out of the blue, said "folks we were wrong and the earth is flat". This wouldn't cause mass confusion, loss of trust, denial, questioning of government right to rule, govern, the educational systems, military integrity....

It would cause massive hysteria, disconnection and upset the civilized world.

And the ones that AREN'T a part of the treaty, but still have space programs? Like North Korea?

good point.

The Earth being round or flat has nothing to do with the Big Bang.

So they would just say that the big bang formed a platter with a dome over it?

Evolution has nothing to do with the Earth being round.

It has nothing to do with life being formed from nothing either. But a globe earth in a solar system in a galaxy leaves room for life and elements for it to come from elsewhere, A flat earth, enclosed in a dome leans toward a created model.

So you're telling me that NASA, an agency in a country that's predominately Christian, wouldn't want to see the Bible supported?

NASA, formed with the help of Nazi engineers, with the scrambled letters of SATAN (the "t" being a red forked tongue through the logo), made up of high level Masons.......Christian? I highly doubt that.

But at any rate, if the Earth was flat, it would be one more thing the Bible was right about, but not a big deal about itself. Even the most staunch atheist doesn't think the Bible is completely fictional - for instance, the Bible talks about Jericho, and there was an actual city called Jericho. It mentions real people like the Pontus Pilate. Acknowledging that it is right on some things doesn't mean it's right on ALL things. Pretty much all myths have at least some element of reality to them.

But a flat earth is exactly what the Bible describes when taken totally literally. The church bent to the globe model to avoid embarrassment and ridicule.

 

[lasthero]

So, if the governments , out of the blue, said "folks we were wrong and the earth is flat". This wouldn't cause mass confusion, loss of trust, denial, questioning of government right to rule, govern, the educational systems, military integrity....

You, yourself, stated that it doesn't matter much to you were the world is flat or round. Why do you imagine it would be such a big deal for everyone else? What actually changes?

good point.

Yeah, it kinda pokes a rather large hole in your conspriracy.

Sothey would just say that the big bang formed a platter with a dome over it?

The Big Bang has nothing to do with what shape planets form into. Gravity does.

It has nothing to do with life being formed from nothing either. But a globe earth in a solar system in a galaxy leaves room for life and elements for it to come from elsewhere, A flat earth, enclosed in a dome leans toward a created model.

The theory evolution deals with the diversification of life, not the creation of it.

NASA, formed with the help of Nazi engineers,

Names? Like who?

with the scrambled letters of SATAN (the "t" being a red forked tongue through the logo),

NASA didn't have that symbol when it was first formed, and it's changed over the years.

made up of high level Masons.......Christian? I highly doubt that.

Would love to see some hard evidence on this. And, once again, the fact that there are other space agencies cannot be stressed enough.

So they would just say that the big bang formed a platter with a dome over it?

Produce anything in any paper about the big bang ever that says anything about the shape planets should form in.

But a flat earth is exactly what the Bible describes when taken totally literally.

And it's not the only ancient religion to do so.

 

[JacksBratt]

You, yourself, stated that it doesn't matter much to you were the world is flat or round. Why do you imagine it would be such a big deal for everyone else? What actually changes?

This would be due to the fact that I already know that the education systems, governments, military and scientific community are all corrupt. A flat earth revealing would not shatter my faith in the reality we have been taught or the Bible that I believe. The reality that we have been taught is ONLY what they want us to believe in order to perpetuate Satan's agenda. The Bible, in the end, will prove to be the only rock solid truth to stand on.

Yeah, it kinda pokes a rather large hole in your conspriracy.

I would say a tiny blemish. North Korea may have its own reasons.

The Big Bang has nothing to do with what shape planets form into. Gravity does.

From what I remember, the big bang has everything to do with the globe shape and rotation of all celestial bodies. Incorporating gravity in the mix .

The theory evolution deals with the diversification of life, not the creation of it.

If we are living in a snow globe it begs a lot of answers that creation can easily answer. Spontaneous life and diversification would be left with unanswered problems.

Names? Like who?

http://www.businessinsider.com/nazi-scientists-space-program-2014-2

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/spacemason/

NASA didn't have that symbol when it was first formed, and it's changed over the years.

That's not what I see in its history. Always Satan's forked tongue

Would love to see some hard evidence on this. And, once again, the fact that there are other space agencies cannot be stressed enough.

Google is your friend here.

And it's not the only ancient religion to do so.

Exactly.

 

[ecco]

Erotothesnes had to make 2 assumptions....the sun is millions of miles away and the earth was spherical. That's not science.

A circular earth can have four corners (just like the flat earth map in the 1800s), a spherical earth cannot.

It seems you have now given up discussing why planes don't go into orbit.
It seems you have now given up discussing why GPS is not satellite based.

But, you have provided the reason for your total disregard for science. You believe what a bunch of goat herders believed 3500 years ago, rather than what mankind has discovered over the intervening years. I guess there is nothing in the bible that tells people to think and use their brains.

 

[ecco]

This would be due to the fact that I already know that the education systems, governments, military and scientific community are all corrupt. A flat earth revealing would not shatter my faith in the reality we have been taught or the Bible that I believe. The reality that we have been taught is ONLY what they want us to believe in order to perpetuate Satan's agenda. The Bible, in the end, will prove to be the only rock solid truth to stand on.

I'll just post to you the same thing I posted to morse86:

But, you have provided the reason for your total disregard for science. You believe what a bunch of goat herders believed 3500 years ago, rather than what mankind has discovered over the intervening years. I guess there is nothing in the bible that tells people to think and use their brains.

 

[katerinah1947]

I'll just post to you the same thing I posted to morse86:

But, you have provided the reason for your total disregard for science. You believe what a bunch of goat herders believed 3500 years ago, rather than what mankind has discovered over the intervening years. I guess there is nothing in the bible that tells people to think and use their brains.

Hi,

Yet, the Bible does not say to not do science. Rather the Bible commands us to do science. Thus the Bible does say to think and to use your brain.

morse86, by not listening to science is in direct violation of a command by God. Only he claims to not be able to understand, and if true he is forgiven and not held to that Command of God.

If anything is true, for morse86, not to be able to handle a globular earth, is really a lack of willingness to listen to what God says, or the inability to know what God says.

The other possibility is morse86 is a debater or has an agenda, he or she, is not sharing.

His, position is not what a bunch of goat herders believed 3500 years ago. It is not.

LOVE,

 

[ecco]

Yet, the Bible does not say to not do science. Rather the Bible commands us to do science.

Where?

His, position is not what a bunch of goat herders believed 3500 years ago. It is not.

Show the difference.

 

[katerinah1947]

Where?

Show the difference.

Hi,

Although I am not prepared to give a lecture on this at this time, and I do not know your background, so I really don't know where to start to not bore you to tears in the process, I will start as though, you are not in the Spirit, a trade term and esoteric, and also as though you are not that familiar with how to make sense out of the Bible, yet.

1.) Biblically the Bible is real, but one has to know what is actually said and meant by God.

2.) A blessing by God, as in Genesis 1:28 and in Genesis 9:1 (I may have 9:1 wrong. I am not prepared.), is also seen to be a Command by God, and that is amply demonstrated in The Babylon incident.

3.) Since a Blessing by God is also a Command by God, in Genesis 1:28, that part about subdue the earth by us, requires sciene to do that. Science to subdue the earth is amply demonstrated in things like electricity in America from water projects in the last century. It is also amply demonstrated by removing more than 90% of the world wide farmers by science.

LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,

The short answer is Genesis 1:28, subdue the earth. That is a blessing by God to all of us. It is our Command also by God to do science.

LOVE,