Flat Earth: Why doesn't a Plane's altitude meter (gyroscope) pitch up and down if it's a round earth

[katerinah1947]

Let's do a simple simple thought exercise:

2 Facts:
- When a plane takes off, it must pitch up
- At cruising altitude, planes DO NOT adjust the pitch

At cruising altitude, the plane CANNOT be following the curvature/atomsphere because then why is it pitching up during the take off? If it has to adjust during take off, then it must adjust at cruising altitude...otherwise it would go beyond the atomsphere past the curvature. You cannot have it both ways!

Hi,

Power is Altitude, and Altitude is Power in Flying.

Attitude (tilt) is horzontal Speed and horizontal Speed is Attitude.


Planes sacrifice speed to climb faster. They tilt up more for awhile.

Planes then sacrifice climbing to go faster, when they are at the height they want to be at. They then tilt to their normal positions for high speed flight. They tilt the nose down a little.



LOVE,

 

[morse86]

Most of history is manipulated. Who can really be sure that the greek philosphers even existed. Maybe they are "written" as part of history. People 500 years did think the earth was flat, even the catholic church believed it.

The USGS puts a lot of confidence in the flat earth map, they still use it, and they make the worlds maps.

 

[JacksBratt]

My post had nothing to do with whether the ISS was populated or not. You can see for yourself that the ISS moves across the sky. Do you agree that it does?

Yes, a large object is trackable and visible. So are other smaller ones, at least in summer.

Do you think it is populated or are all the vids done in the vomit comet or with green screen technology and women with perms and hair spray?

None are provable. If NASA is lying we have nothing to go on.

Some facts (you will probably disagree with them, but you asked) All numbers in miles.
Approximate (Rounded for ease of math) Diameter of earth's orbit around the sun : 100,000,000
Distance light travels in one year: (6 trillion) 6,000,000,000,000
Distance to star in Orions Belt : 1, 000 Light years or (6 quadrillion) 6,000,000,000,000,000 miles.
Approximate ratio of earth's diameter to Orion Belt star: 60,000,000 : 1

Experiment for you to try:
Go to a bowling alley. The lanes are 60 feet long
Have them set up the 1 and 10 pins. Stand at the foul line. Carefully look at the two pins, especially the apparent relationship of one to the other. Take a picture. Now, move to the left just .000001 of a foot. Take another picture. Compare the pictures. No difference.

The reason the stars apparently "... do not budge, move oscillate, migrate, slide, shift or deform." is that the diameter of the earth's rotation around the sun is tiny compared to the distance to the stars.

That's one theory. The other is that we don't move. How do we know for sure?

 

[morse86]

Look at the womens hair onboard the ISS. It's a perm!

Hair should be all "wavy-like" in zero gravity. Instead, they all have perms.

Typical zero-g flight, cables, and green screen.

 

[ecco]

Let's do a simple simple thought exercise:

2 Facts:
- When a plane takes off, it must pitch up

Yes, to get off the ground. Or, in the case of a helicopter or a commercial drone, it just goes up.

- At cruising altitude, planes DO NOT adjust the pitch

Wrong. Pilots constantly adjust the attitude of the plane to keep a constant altitude as measured by altimeters. Most planes now have autopilots that constantly measure altitude and constantly adjust the plane's pitch.

The curvature is logarithmic..when landing, it must adjust for more than 12 miles in curvature....but the pilot never does that!

Wrong again, because the pilot has kept the plane at a desired altitude the entire flight.

Don't take my word for it. Everywhere in the country you can go up in a small sightseeing plane. You should do this. You can sit next to the pilot and ask him about it while witnessing it for yourself.

 

[katerinah1947]

Most of history is manipulated. Who can really be sure that the greek philosphers even existed. Maybe they are "written" as part of history. People 500 years did think the earth was flat, even the catholic church believed it.

The USGS puts a lot of confidence in the flat earth map, they still use it, and they make the worlds maps.

Hi,

I am no historian. So that is wasted on me, if you are able to be proved wrong on your point of "Most of history is manipulated or not."

In 1616, the words published by the Pope in Galileo's sentence have been apologized for by The Roman Catholic Church in 1995 or so. That is now called the Galileo Affair, and the actual words they used are not only unfortunate, they are also made public in the year 2014.

You are not right in the fact that the Catholic church believed the earth was flat. You could be right if you said that they told Galileo he must recant, and not hold to that idea. Some within the church had looked through Galileo's telescope.

After really disagreeing vehemently it sounds like, in what Galileo was saying at the time, those priests and maybe monks who looked through that telescope, it is said, believed in what Galileo was saying.

However, the top brass so to speak, said otherwise, invoked the Council of Trent in the inerrancy of faith and morals by the Catholic Church and thier interpretation of Scriptures back then, and then dealt with Galileo accordingly.

To look at the words only, it is a very unfortunate set of words the church used back then, and remember they have since that time in 1616 or so, apologized for their actions in that whole thing, called the Galileo Affair.

So no. The church did not believe the earth was flat, contrary to science back then, rather they posted a sentence on Galileo contrary to science, back then.

Not being a cartographer, but a pilot, there are corrections on my maps to fly with, to make up for the fact that it is easier to print flat maps than to print globe maps, for me and others to fly with.

Nicely, maps are now in Satellites, with me using GPS now, and Airliners actually able to take off and land even, all by computers.

LOVE,

 

[JacksBratt]

Hi Jack,

Imagine a time in your life when you can't be wrong, or else terrible things happen to people you work for or people you know.

Once upon a time, that was my life for years. I was not allowed to be wrong, so I had to do whatever was necessary to not be wrong, even if my response was: I don't know.

The reason I have told you this, is I am not and was not allowed by my postion to not know if the earth was flat or not. I was not allowed to not engage in every arena scientifically that I was capable of handling.

So, not everyone can walk away not caring what the answers are on flat earth versus non flat earth and I wanted you to know that.

Next:
You mentioned the good attitude of the person in that article. This next point, made by a person in one article or another seems right also:


Truth will never be found where care and compassion are lacking.

“The age old saying ‘ignorance is bliss’ withholds a mighty truth. This is not to say that a continued state of ignorance is blissful, it is rather to say that when one recognizes that one is ignorant of a subject it immediately puts them in the position to explore, with a childlike wonder, all the gems waiting to be found within the investigation.” — Claudia Pavonis

It is not for me, that I need you or want you to believe in anything. I would just hope that you would want to know. To know what is true and what is not true, for yourself, first. I see people here offering ways to check on the accuracy and veracity of flat earth versus a non flat earth concept, but I see all those efforts being totally dismissed by morse86, but I am hoping that is not your position also.

One experiment/test is worth a thousand expert opinions is said. Flat earther's and you say you are not one, only work with opinions it seems. None, of them has done, nor accknowledged the evidence, when they cannot find an objection to the evidence. And, I do mean that the Mars Atomospheric Probe launch, was criticized by morse86, but as soon as his criticizm was shown to be wrong, he then went silent.

I don't know why ignoring what is before him, is done by him. What he is showing is a lack of caring. It has the technical Pyschological description of the silent form of verbal abuse, as it is an important topic to me and others, and he refuses to talk about it, when it doesn't go his way.

LOVE,

I have yet to see one repeatable, solid , undeniable proof of either model. I am still searching

 

[morse86]

Google is putting communications ballons in the stratosphere to provide better 3G service (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...rnet-hap-satellite-stratosphere-loon-project/)

This is nothing new, telecommunication companies have been putting telecommunication balloons in the stratosphere for decades. What if the satellite you actually saw was a telecommunications balloon?


Heck, they even have UAV's (Unmanned aerospace vehicles) providing telecommunications!

http://www.intercomms.net/AUG03/content/struzak1.php

The HAPS, known also as HALE (High Altitude Long Endurance) stations or SPR (Stratospheric Platform Radio) are reusable unmanned aeronautical vehicles (UAV) at stratospheric altitudes that offer an alternative to the terrestrial and satellite telecommunication systems.

 

[morse86]

Wrong. Pilots constantly adjust the attitude of the plane to keep a constant altitude as measured by altimeters. Most planes now have autopilots that constantly measure altitude and constantly adjust the plane's pitch.

Do you know what the word "cruising altitude" means? Do you constantly change the speed when you drive your car on cruise control? It stays constant!

Pilots/Autopilots DO NOT change the cruising altitude. The cruising altitude is assigned by several factors (control tower, conditions, type of plane).

http://traveltips.usatoday.com/altitude-plane-flight-100359.html

By keeping these planes at assigned altitudes, air traffic control creates invisible stacked highways in the sky, keeping enough air space between the flights

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_(aeronautics)

For most commercial passenger aircraft, the cruise phase of flight consumes the majority of fuel. As this lightens the aircraft considerably, higher altitudes are more efficient for additional fuel economy. However, for operational and air traffic control reasons it is necessary to stay at the cleared flight level. On long haul flights, the pilot may climb from one flight level to a higher one as clearance is requested and given from air traffic control. This maneuver is called a step climb.

 

[katerinah1947]

Yes, to get off the ground. Or, in the case of a helicopter or a commercial drone, it just goes up.




Wrong. Pilots constantly adjust the attitude of the plane to keep a constant altitude as measured by altimeters. Most planes now have autopilots that constantly measure altitude and constantly adjust the plane's pitch.



Wrong again, because the pilot has kept the plane at a desired altitude the entire flight.

Don't take my word for it. Everywhere in the country you can go up in a small sightseeing plane. You should do this. You can sit next to the pilot and ask him about it while witnessing it for yourself.

Hi,

Dear Ecco,

You are totally correct in principle. Here is your first flight lesson, and you can use this on simulators and planes. I love to fly.

Pitch primarily controls speed. And to show you this, I am lazy when it comes to landing. So, I start adjusting my pitch until my plane is at the correct speed for landing.

From that point on, only power determines my altitude, but power always determines altitude for a given tilt of the aircraft, including the Space Shuttle Lauch.

Other than, pitch is speed and power is altitude, yes I am constantly adjusting power to keep at an altitude, except when I am recreationally flying at low altitudes.

In recreational flying, at say 2000 feet or so above the terrain. I never adjust power, and I actually steer with my rudder pedals, which is off point.

When I was taught to fly at a constant power and not adjust it, I noticed my plane would climb for awhile, then descend for awhile, the fly and altitude for awhile, but he times in between changes were really really slow. On average I stayed at what ever altitude my throttle power was set at.

LOVE,

 

[ecco]

Most of history is manipulated. Who can really be sure that the greek philosphers even existed. Maybe they are "written" as part of history.

Maybe LastThusdayism is fact. If I'm not mistaken, you have denied it.

But, "Who can really be sure that the greek philosphers even existed. Maybe they are "written" as part of history." Maybe god did it. Maybe god did it last Thursday.

People 500 years did think the earth was flat, even the catholic church believed it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".[5]

Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell says the flat-earth error flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution.​

Perhaps you are confusing the argument of sphericity with the argument of geocentricty.

The USGS puts a lot of confidence in the flat earth map, they still use it, and they make the worlds maps.

No. They use a lot of different methodologies to depict a spheroidal earth on a two dimensional map.

 

[morse86]

Therefore, at cruising altitude, the average speed is 590 miles per hour. At that rate, the curvature is almost 200 miles. The plane should've gone into space!

 

[katerinah1947]

Do you know what the word "cruising altitude" means? Do you constantly change the speed when you drive your car on cruise control? It stays constant!

Pilots/Autopilots DO NOT change the cruising altitude. The cruising altitude is assigned by several factors (control tower, conditions, type of plane).

http://traveltips.usatoday.com/altitude-plane-flight-100359.html


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_(aeronautics)

Hi,

And cruising altitude was always a pressure altitude, for things above FL 10 or so. FL just merely means to mulitiply by 1000. FL 35 is Thirty Five Thousand feet.

The altitude when using pressure devices to stay at altitude, called altimeters, which are modified Barometric Pressure gauges, are set to a fixed Barometric Pressure, of 29.92 Inches of Mercury. Thus the altitude above the ground is not a true altitude, it is a true pressure altitude.

The reason that is done is so everyone is doing the same thing at high altitudes and high speeds, thus the standard separations of planed fly east and those flying west are maintained, when they fly through low pressure air zones and high pressure air zones.

However, when flying at low alititudes, of less than 10,000 feet, the pressure for the altimiter is always set to the local barometric pressure, before takeoff.

LOVE,

 

[JacksBratt]

I think a large factor is that we have known the earth is a globe for several centuries and people who insist the world is flat are clearly deluded.

Or, maybe we are for swallowing NASA koolaid. Saying "we have known X for centuries" is not a good foundation for argument.

 

[katerinah1947]

Therefore, at cruising altitude, the average speed is 590 miles per hour. At that rate, the curvature is almost 200 miles. The plane should've gone into space!

Hi,

A plane's lift is the same as long as the speed of the air over the wing, and the density of the air over the wing remains the same.

The higher the altitude the thinner the air, and the lower the lift. That is the reason you cannot fly into outer space, or even higer without more power than you were using. It is because planes fly in air and as the air dispears, so does the plane's lift.

Rockets don't have that problem, as the velocity and the weight/mass of the fuel ejected is what causes them to work.

Airplanes also don't carry oxygen, they use the oxygen in the air, that is already there. At high altitudes that is less, so the power of the engine is lessened by that also.

LOVE,

 

[ecco]

morse86:

At cruising altitude, planes DO NOT adjust the pitch​

ecco:

Wrong. Pilots constantly adjust the attitude of the plane to keep a constant altitude as measured by altimeters. Most planes now have autopilots that constantly measure altitude and constantly adjust the plane's pitch.​

Do you know what the word "cruising altitude" means?
Pilots/Autopilots DO NOT change the cruising altitude.

Do try to read carefully. Attitude is not altitude. Attitude includes Roll, Pitch and Yaw.

I said pilots constantly changed pitch to maintain what you call "cruising altitude".


You really do need to take a flight in a small sightseeing plane and discuss this with the pilot while you are flying. Even if you come away disbelieving him, it would still be fun.

 

[Xalith]

Let's do a simple simple thought exercise:

2 Facts:
- When a plane takes off, it must pitch up
- At cruising altitude, planes DO NOT adjust the pitch

At cruising altitude, the plane CANNOT be following the curvature/atomsphere because then why is it pitching up during the take off? If it has to adjust during take off, then it must adjust at cruising altitude...otherwise it would go beyond the atomsphere past the curvature. You cannot have it both ways!

The curvature is logarithmic..when descenting during landing, it must adjust for more than 12 miles in curvature....but the pilot never does that!

It's called Gravity and Centrifugal Force.

Gravity keeps you on the ground. Centrifugal Force pushes you away from the center of a circle. Both are at work simultaneously on you every second of every day. A plane's wings provide lift by manipulating air pressure, and as you do that, the plane can adjust whether it climbs or dives.

If you're in a plane and you don't notice the plane diving, that doesn't mean that it isn't.

Picture for a second, a car driving down a straight highway with winds coming from the left at 20 MPH. That's some pretty good strong wind, right? The driver feels the pressure on the steering wheel but keeps a tight grip, but the passenger doesn't notice anything. Let's assume for a second that there's nothing in the immediate environment for the wind to visibly blow.

The Passenger goes "What? There's no wind! I don't see you turning the car towards the left!"

Where the passenger is wrong, is that the driver IS turning the car to the left, it just doesn't look like it to the passenger.

So, unless you yourself are a pilot (if you were, you'd know about the various things one needs to know about a spherical earth to even fly a plane in the first place), you wouldn't know what sorts of things pilots must do to fly a plane.

 

[katerinah1947]

Therefore, at cruising altitude, the average speed is 590 miles per hour. At that rate, the curvature is almost 200 miles. The plane should've gone into space!

Hi,

If we saved up enough money, or got a donation, would you take a MIG trip or a balloon flight to see for yourself is the earth is curved or not??????????

LOVE,

 

[ecco]

Therefore, at cruising altitude, the average speed is 590 miles per hour. At that rate, the curvature is almost 200 miles. The plane should've gone into space!

Not if the pilot kept a "cruising altitude" of say 10,000 feet (or 30,000 feet, or 200 feet).

 

[lasthero]

Yes, a large object is trackable and visible. So are other smaller ones, at least in summer.

Do you think it is populated or are all the vids done in the vomit comet or with green screen technology and women with perms and hair spray?

None are provable. If NASA is lying we have nothing to go on.

We could with the OTHER space agencies that use the ISS besides NASA.

That's one theory. The other is that we don't move. How do we know for sure?

We could see which one is consistent the most with the data.

And, by the way, I found the thirty part source with picture of the moon landing. Do you at least believe that, now?