Flat Earth Theory.

[trophy33]

On shigionoth?

If it will help you to formulate more sensible posts, why not.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I posted the video for you to understand the Genesis better (because you had some questions about it). For some reason, you made it your quest to "debunk" the expert, instead of learning something new. I am not interested in being his advocate, take the information or leave it, your choice.

Genesis was not written in our era, with our concepts. The cultural rivers' part you did not like, is actually the most useful part, because its the basic realization you must make before approaching Genesis (or any text from a different culture). The overall culture, concepts, genre and purpose is much more important to understand than to know what a specific sentence was supposed to mean.

He did not go sentence after sentence, but mentioned some examples, for example that God resting is not God not working, but God being inaugurated in the temple of the created cosmos (Greek term, sorry).

I’m sorry I have to test anything someone says against scripture, I can’t just blindly follow along with what someone says just because they have a PhD. There are seminaries for every denomination out there, just because they’re all scholars doesn’t mean they’re all correct since they often don’t agree with each other.

 

[trophy33]

I’m sorry I have to test anything someone says against scripture, I can’t just blindly follow along with what someone says just because they have a PhD. There are seminaries for every denomination out there, just because they’re all scholars doesn’t mean they’re all correct since they often don’t agree with each other.

The culture and origin of Genesis is not a denominational issue. Its a historical issue and you need people specializing in this kind of literature to learn from. Bible is not its own dictionary.

 

[Jipsah]

In the beginning there was light causing day & night as God is the light, therefore no sun was needed, this is the same light that we will experience in the new earth to come.

It was on the forth day that God created the sun placing it in the firmament, which is the same sun that will go dark on that final day.

Interesting idea. Not in the Bible, though, is it?

 

[Jipsah]

Well you’ve proven my point enough. His says there was day and night, evening and morning

"Take, eat, this is My Body". But you say He didn't really mean it.

 

[Apple Sky]

Interesting idea. Not in the Bible, though, is it?

The forth day is & the sun being darkened in the last days is too.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The culture and origin of Genesis is not a denominational issue. Its a historical issue and you need people specializing in this kind of literature to learn from. Bible is not its own dictionary.

Well I strongly disagree because I don’t believe that the origin of Genesis derived from Hebrew culture, it derived from God who was the only One present at the creation of the world. Genesis gives us too much information that man couldn’t possibly know about.

”Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

If information that man couldn’t possibly have known about didn’t come from God then it’s purely fictional, made up from the imagination of men and if that’s how we’re going to view God’s word then it’s completely useless because we have no solid foundation of truth for it to stand on.

 

[trophy33]

Well I strongly disagree because I don’t believe that the origin of Genesis derived from Hebrew culture, it derived from God who was the only One present at the creation of the world. Genesis gives us too much information that man couldn’t possibly know about.

”Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

If information that man couldn’t possibly have known about didn’t come from God then it’s purely fictional, made up from the imagination of men and if that’s how we’re going to view God’s word then it’s completely useless because we have no solid foundation of truth for it to stand on.

Its not a matter of agreement or of belief.

The ANE concepts are throughout Genesis (and the whole Old Testament), so its not a valid opinion to claim the ANE culture did not play a significant role. Thats why you do not understand Genesis, because do not accept it has its background, its the same for you as if it fell from heaven yesterday - no human author and no human concepts involved.

There is no scientific information in the Bible that men of those time could not possibly have known, its just your concordism.

 

[Jipsah]

One rotation of the earth on its axis.
No sun needed.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. So how'd you get evenings and mornings without a sun?

Are you against creativity?

Whrn it's of the 2+2=14.236 variety, yeah, I find it annoying

 

[Jipsah]

They're called "pastors."

I've seen more than a few pastors who didn't appear to be expert in anything at all. I had one cite "me myself and I" and "grandfather father son" as ways to illustrate the Trinity. When I cautiously suggested that those didn't illustrate the Trinity very well at all, and that the Creeds explained it better than just about anything else, he gave me the standard Baptist shutdown line that "well Brother Jipsah, we have to follow God's truth rather than man's", with a suggestion that being foreign (my mom was Korean; I was born and raised in Tennessee amongst my white kinfolk) that my English might not be up to the challenge of understanding subtle analogies like the ones he'd offered. I suppressed the urge to knock him unconscious, out of brotherly charity, of course.

 

[Jipsah]

No, I meant it.

I 'spect he meant his, as well.

 

[Jipsah]

Well I'm bound to when you think most of the passages in the Bible are metaphors, which you seem to be picking & choosing.

Speaking of which, you never have given us a citation where the Bible says the earth is flat.

 

[Jipsah]

No, it would never work on a spinning ball.

It wouldn't work on anything else.

I'll say it again, yes it is.

And you'd still be wrong.

Wanna try explaining long path propagation?

 

[AV1611VET]

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.

God created the light, before He created the source of the light.

And if that sounds odd to you, it should.

It's a miracle.

2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

 

[AV1611VET]

I've seen more than a few pastors who didn't appear to be expert in anything at all.

Would you ask a shepherd to explain to you the Godhead to your satisfaction?

I had one cite "me myself and I" and "grandfather father son" as ways to illustrate the Trinity.

I think all attempts to illustrate the Godhead with earthly examples are futile, myself.

Some use water's three states: solid, gas, and liquid to illustrate the Godhead.

That doesn't quite explain it, either.

When I cautiously suggested that those didn't illustrate the Trinity very well at all, and that the Creeds explained it better than just about anything else, he gave me the standard Baptist shutdown line that "well Brother Jipsah, we have to follow God's truth rather than man's", with a suggestion that being foreign (my mom was Korean; I was born and raised in Tennessee amongst my white kinfolk) that my English might not be up to the challenge of understanding subtle analogies like the ones he'd offered. I suppressed the urge to knock him unconscious, out of brotherly charity, of course.

I think his remark was uncalled for.

He should have just said that the Godhead is one of the (seven?) mysteries of the Bible and let it go at that.

I like the math example, myself ...

Godhead: not 1+1+1=1, but 1x1x1=1.

... but it too has flaws.

 

[Apple Sky]

Speaking of which, you never have given us a citation where the Bible says the earth is flat.

I've given many pointers towards the Bible insinuating towards a level earth, more than anyone else here has, in regards to the earth being a spinning ball, that's b/c it isn't.

The Bible does not in anyway mention a spinning ball orbiting the sun, but it does mention the earth being unmovable.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Bible does not in anyway mention a spinning ball orbiting the sun, but it does mention the earth being unmovable.

1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

How can we be both "unmoveable" and "always abounding" at the same time?

 

[Apple Sky]

1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

How can we be both "unmoveable" and "always abounding" at the same time?

What is the abounding grace of God?


Abounding grace is grace in overflow and abundance. It is God's love and provision beyond our daily needs. In 2 Corinthians 9:8, the Apostle Paul provides the readers instruction on how God wants us to give. Paul begins in 2 Corinthians 9:1-2 instructing us to always be ready to give.

 

[AV1611VET]

What is the abounding grace of God?


Abounding grace is grace in overflow and abundance. It is God's love and provision beyond our daily needs. In 2 Corinthians 9:8, the Apostle Paul provides the readers instruction on how God wants us to give. Paul begins in 2 Corinthians 9:1-2 instructing us to always be ready to give.

And the "unmoveable"?

 

[Jipsah]

On shigionoth?

Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!