Flat Earth Theory.

[Apple Sky]

It's odd that you go to science to provide the information.

I'ts nice to find science that supports scripture.

 

[prodromos]

Yes I could but I wouldn't use a fish eyed lens.

Even with a fish eye lens, there is no distortion of lines passing across the centre of the view of the lens, so when the horizon is in the centre of the view you can accurately determine if it is flat or not.

 

[trophy33]

Yes I could but I wouldn't use a fish eyed lens.

Sure, use whatever lens you like. Just do it. You do not need to speculate and source your worldview from weird youtubers.

 

[Phil G]

I've tried to understand the Globe, but I can't get my head around it, there is so much that just doesn't add up.

You're not understanding the globe because you're not grasping basic physics or math. Flat earth conspiracy theorists love to play on a person's poor grasp of these subjects and ridicule a globe earth, but their claims make no sense to people who do have at least some grasp of them.

My advice is to get in touch with a local amateur astronomy club and go on outings with them to view the night sky. They are not on NASA's payroll but are eager hobbyists who observe and photograph the sky. You might even find a true Christian believer or two among them. They won't be fooled into false explanations of what they see and photograph if it makes no sense to them. Their knowledge of the sun, moon, stars, planets (wanderers), and all their movements including video and photographic evidence such as star trails, along with their knowledge of what is seen in both northern and southern hemispheres are all clear evidence of a rotating globe earth.

 

[Apple Sky]

Even with a fish eye lens, there is no distortion of lines passing across the centre of the view of the lens, so when the horizon is in the centre of the view you can accurately determine if it is flat or not.

You mean something like these;

 

[trophy33]

You mean something like these;

Gopro (which is frequently used) looks more like this (space is in the end, but watch also the other parts to get the gist of the real distortion):

It will not make a globe from a flat earth.

 

[Apple Sky]

Gopro (which is frequently used) looks more like this (space is in the end, but watch also the other parts to get the gist of the real distortion):

A fish eyed lens will always distort an image to look round or curved - Sorry.

 

[pgp_protector]

A fish eyed lens will always distort an image to look round or curved - Sorry.

Learn how they distort an image first - Sorry.

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[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

I'ts nice to find science that supports scripture.

That science is according to a spherical earth.

 

[trophy33]

A fish eyed lens will always distort an image to look round or curved - Sorry.

Not to the level you imagine. Thats why you should watch the video. It will not make a flat surface to be a ball. Sorry. It would make ball of everything, people, buildings, the rocket you see in front of the Earth...

 

[Strong in Him]

I've tried to understand the Globe, but I can't get my head around it,

Kudos to you for being willing to try - I mean that.

there is so much that just doesn't add up.

I can't even begin to try to explain it; I'm not a scientist.

But to be honest, there's much about your theory that doesn't add up either.
1. I've been taught, along with the vast majority of people, that the earth is a sphere. I've seen photos in books - from children's books and comics through to encyclopaedias. I've had models of globes, bought from a shop. I had very little interest in the moon landings but I remember seeing them on tv. And there have been photographs from that, interviews given etc etc. All of these have shown the earth to be a globe/sphere. There are probably thousands of them in our country, never mind others.
For the earth to be flat, all of those would have to be a lie or faked. Which means that authors, scientists, photographers, tv programme makers - not to mention the people who went to the moon and saw the earth - would have to be lying; part of some giant hoax/fib. Do you know how difficult it would be to get thousands of people from different countries and cultures to come up with the same lie and maintain it for so long? Pretty impossible I'd say. Someone somewhere - particularly in this age of the internet/fact checking/whistle blowing/suing people for libel - would have admitted the "truth" before now. Buzz Aldrin, and others, would have had to withdraw their testimonies/books and return any money that was paid out. It would be headline news in every paper; "pictures of the earth faked for more than 50 years." And if any journalist ran a headline like that and IT was proved to be false, they'd lose all credibility and/or be run out of court.

2. I know of, and have read about, people who've been to Antarctica. Not only have I seen pictures, David Attenborough has done a whole series on it. I've never seen, read or been told that any of them saw a military presence nor were they prevented from going past a certain point. Nor that they came up against heavily guarded ice walls which "the elite" didn't want them to smash through to be able to get to "other lands". Which doesn't make sense anyway because if you penetrated the circumference of the earth you would be in outer space, not another country.
This is something which is easy enough to prove. Either go there yourself and take photos. Or simply ask a travel agent or an airline pilot if this claim is true. If you were to go there yourself and take photos which prove your claim, I am quite sure you would be very keen to post them on FB as an eyewitness account - "there you are; told you so."
It was the same with the claim that a direct flight between 2 places is impossible on a globe earth. The person I was debating with couldn't even answer the question "have you written to any airline pilots and been told this?"

3. If you DID decide to go to Antarctica or book a trip to the moon, came back with photos/videos which showed that the earth was flat/Antarctica was as you described and we all said "fake - you've just been in a basement for a week and been using CGI"; how would you feel? What would it be like to have other Christians saying to you, "you're lying; you'll do anything to prove your point"? If you'd gone to all that trouble and expense to do as we asked and we dismissed your findings as made up, would you say "fair enough" and be happy with that?
Which takes us back to the first point. We're not even talking about one photo of the earth or testimony of walking on the moon, but many.

 

[Apple Sky]

@Strong in Him - Your post has certainly given me food for thought - Thanks.

 

[Strong in Him]

@Strong in Him - Your post has certainly given me food for thought - Thanks.

Bless you.

 

[Apple Sky]

I've been taught, along with the vast majority of people, that the earth is a sphere. I've seen photos in books - from children's books and comics through to encyclopaedias.

To be honest, I don't remember ever been taught about the earth and the planets at school, it was either this or I weren't paying attention

 

[prodromos]

To be honest, I don't remember ever been taught about the earth and the planets at school, it was either this or I weren't paying attention

Well at least this will shut up the people who claim "flat earth" is a product of home schooling.

 

[Apple Sky]

A funny thing happened to me on my way to Spain, on my suitcase I'd stuck these small round stickers of all the planets when this guy came up to me in the airport and said, 'blimey you've been travelling a lot' not to mention the funny looks I got.

 

[Apple Sky]

I cannot seem to distance myself from my belief in Flat Earth;


Why would they lie and hide the FLAT EARTH?

A few comments from about 200, for this video;


@sierrashere6957
3 weeks ago
Thank you Jesus for this man exposing the truth


@hulkgreen6786
3 weeks ago
When the bible says God has let Satan rule this world for a limited time Satan is the government


@miloaaron8388
3 weeks ago (edited)
everyone wants to explore antarctica, but i believe the northern polar vortex is hiding something equally fascinating. but both areas hold the proof to our flat realm.


@mattbyman
3 weeks ago (edited)
We are without a doubt living on His firm non-rotating foundation. Many verses point us to the truth of the creation and true shape of earth but many Christians think the concept of the true shape of earth will undermine their believe in Jesus. They are afraid it came on their path to be a substitute rather to be acknowledged and seen as His living altar and completion of His creation. Many Christians are still waiting for a moment in time at which a strong delusion will be presented but I say to you that whomever believes in the lie, which contradicts creation, is living in that strong delusion 24/7. What would set you free? Yes, the truth will set you free! The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you GOD

 

[Strong in Him]

I cannot seem to distance myself from my belief in Flat Earth;

If you've believed it for a long time it may take you a while to "unlearn" it. But if you hang out with/post only YouTube clips from people who share your belief, you won't be doing yourself any favours.

Why would they lie and hide the FLAT EARTH?

Why would billions of people lie about a globe earth?

@miloaaron8388
3 weeks ago (edited)
everyone wants to explore antarctica, but i believe the northern polar vortex is hiding something equally fascinating. but both areas hold the proof to our flat realm.

Well go to Antarctica, find out what it is hiding and prove us all wrong, then.
If this is your/his/her belief, or faith - put your faith into practice.

but many Christians think the concept of the true shape of earth will undermine their believe in Jesus.

The shape of the earth has nothing at all to do with believing in Jesus.
A person either believes that Jesus was both man and God, offered his life as a ransom (Mark 10:45), shed his blood for their sins (Matthew 26:28), died, rose again and ascended - or they don't.
They either come to him to have eternal life and be reconciled to God - or they don't.
They are either in Christ and have every spiritual blessing - or they aren't and haven't.

They are afraid it came on their path to be a substitute rather to be acknowledged and seen as His living altar and completion of His creation.

Whatever that means.

Many Christians are still waiting for a moment in time at which a strong delusion will be presented

Speak for yourself.

but I say to you that whomever believes in the lie, which contradicts creation, is living in that strong delusion 24/7.

"I say to you" - like this person is a prophet.

What would set you free? Yes, the truth will set you free! The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you GOD

Jesus IS Truth.
Salvation is to be found in Jesus - nothing and no one else. A person can have complete faith in a flat earth; if they don't know, or haven't accepted Jesus, they are still dead in your sin and do not have eternal life.

I suggest this person needs to read the Bible and learn the Gospel.

 

[Apple Sky]

If you've believed it for a long time it may take you a while to "unlearn" it. But if you hang out with/post only YouTube clips from people who share your belief, you won't be doing yourself any favours.

I do believe the earth to be level & unmovable only b/c it states it in scripture, if it didn't there is no way I would have believed the earth to be flat.

 

[trophy33]

I do believe the earth to be level & unmovable only b/c it states it in scripture, if it didn't there is no way I would have believed the earth to be flat.

Heaven, heavens.

The OT shared the general ancient opinion about the construction of the universe [collectively »the heavens and the earth« Gn 1:1] and combined the primitive ideas of Egypt and Babylon, but did not accept their mythology and cosmogony [the doctrine of the creation of the universe from divine elements].

The universe was three-part [heaven above, earth below, waters under the earth Ex 20.4 sr. Psalm 115:15-17].

The earth formed the center of the universe in the world sea [Ps 24:2], which was touched by the "ends of the earth" [Dt 33:17; 1S 2.10; Jer 16:19; Mi 5,4 et seq.], had the form of a circular mass [Kral. "enclosure" Is 40:22], supported by rocky pillars [Ps 104:5] so that it does not move. But God also has these foundations in his power [Jb 9:6], and just his glance is enough to make the earth shake [Ps 104:32].

According to Job 26.7, however, the earth rests on nothing.

Beneath it, if not beneath the sea on which the earth floats, was the underworld, Sheol. Above it was stretched the hemispherical sky [heavens Př 8,27n] like a tent canvas [Ps 104,2; Isaiah 40:22]. It rests on the highest mountains [2S 22.8 »foundations of the heavens«; Jb 26,11 "heavenly pillars"], has gates [Gn 28,17] and vents through which the rain falls [Gn 7,11; 2 Kings 7:2; Ps 78,23n], kept according to Jb 38,37 in sacks, while hail, snow, wind and manna are stored in special chambers [Jb 37,8; 38.22n; Ps 135,7n]. On the inside were fixed the stars, the sun and the moon [Gn 1,14-18; Eze 32.7n].

Clouds float under the heavens [Ps 147:8], which the Lord uses as chariots [Ps 104:3], and the birds of the sky fly by [Gn 1:26, 28, 30; 2.19n; 6.7; 7,3 and j.]. On the outer side of the heavens, the heavenly waters are gathered [Gn 1,6n; Ps 148.4; Jer 10:13; 51.16]. From the expression "heavens of heavens" [Dt 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; 2 Peter 2:6; 6.18; Neh 9:6; Psalm 148,4], some researchers conclude that Israel, like the Babylonians, believed in several layers of heaven, but others consider this to be only poetic hyperbole. In no case is this an attempt to create some "natural science" opinion, but poetic-religious illustrative interpretations of daily knowledge, the basic idea of which was the majesty of God.

Therefore, it is also not possible to introduce the biblical opinion about the universe into a comprehensive system like the surrounding nations. Israel lacked the mythologizing ability to transform the universe into a system of interdependent or warring deities. He used the expressions of surrounding religions, but only to express his basic concept of God as the Creator of heaven and earth [Gn 1,1; 2.4; 14, 19, 22; Psalm 33:6; Proverbs 3:19; 8.27; Isaiah 42:5; 45.18]. That is why the Bible can simultaneously speak of the universe as an unrolled papyrus scroll, described by constellations as signs of the wisdom of God [Is 34:4], or of a palace [Am 9:6; Psalm 104:3].
(Adolf Novotný, Biblický slovník, p. 480, google translation)

Do you also believe it is supported by both rocky pillars and nothing (?), that the sky has gates, rests on the highest mountains (Mount Everest?), that rain is kept in sacks and snow in chambers? That God uses clouds as chariots?