Flat earth beliefs are totally in error.

[JacksBratt]

So how did the mirrors get on the moon, which are used for various measurements?
Lunar Laser Ranging experiment - Wikipedia

They were firing lasers at the moon in 1962.. which was before the faked moon landing.

 

[trophy33]

They were firing lasers at the moon in 1962.. which was before the faked moon landing.

But without mirrors.

 

[_Dave_]

Please see my response to brother MartyF in post #175 of this thread.

In the documentary I mentioned in my first post in this topic I talked about an experiment where some flat earthers tried to prove there was no curvature to the earth.

They found a canal that went straight as an arrow for several miles. They understood the principle that water seeks its own level and the water level at one end of the canal would be exactly the same as the water level at the other end of the canal.

They bought an expensive laser that they knew could be visible and register light at several miles distance.

They then devised some tall poles, I think about 12 feet or so, with foot and inch markings along the length, placed one at the beginning, one at the middle and one at the end of this long, straight canal. They positioned the poles so their bottom ends were exactly the same height as the water level.

They did the experiment at night. When they shot the laser at one end, perfectly level, and about at the 6-foot mark of the first pole, it was so diffused and weak by the time it got to the last pole they couldn't tell where it landed on the pole at the end.

So they came up with a big piece of cardboard with a hole in the middle to help center the big, diffused, weak light against the cardboard; and the hole in the center should be the center of the light source.

When they shot the laser again, they still couldn't see where it was hitting the cardboard. Then somebody came up with the bright idea of lifting the whole cardboard and pole contraption high enough until the laser registered on the cardboard, through the hole in the center and onto the pole.

What they just discovered, and proved beyond a doubt, was the curvature of the earth. Probably, if they had applied the formula mentioned here in previous posts they could have calculated beforehand how much they needed to lift the pole in order to "see" the laser.

Completely undaunted by their failure, they said they believe they just need to rework the experiment and keep trying until they get their proof that the earth is flat.

YWU, what do you suppose we learn from this experience?

What it tells me is what I say often: If a verse in Scripture appears to be a contradiction, then we need to examine our misunderstanding of that verse. God, who is the creator of everything including the planets, which are spheres, the sun, which is a sphere, and the stars, which are spheres, and who is the author of the Bible would not put passages in Scripture declaring that all of that is flat.

 

[Lost4words]

It should be noted brother that Norman70 in his OP is not separating science from God, nor have I. Furthermore I am showing with my proofs how the Bible indeed teaches us many scientific principles which we may observe in nature.

Your argument that we in modern times have surpassed the knowledge and understanding of our ancestors contradicts the truth shed by history. Our modern science is built on the foundation of the science from ancient peoples such as the Romans, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, and the Babylonians. Unfortunately many people stop with the Babylonians as the source of wisdom but, we know this is to ignore the fact that the Babylonians descended from Nimrod who is descended from Ham the youngest son of Noah (Genesis 10:6-12) who built the Tower of Babel where ancient Babylon is located (Genesis 11) who is ultimately descended from Adam who was created by God: therefore God is the source of all science and things.

As for one's views differing based on 'interpretation' let us remember the the words of Peter:

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."
- 2 Peter 1:20

And this is consistent with what we read in the stories of the Moses and the prophets who all received the meaning of their visions and scripture from God. Now what I believe you are arguing is giving the sense of a word or passage which was already commonly done during the time of Ezra the scribe and Nehemiah the governor:

"Also Jeshua, and Bani, and Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodijah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, and the Levites, caused the people to understand the law: and the people stood in their place. So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading."
- Nehemiah 8:7-8

And we see Jesus doing this as well:

"And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, 'Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?' He said unto him, 'What is written in the law? how readest thou?' And he answering said, 'Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.' And He said unto him, 'Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.'"
- Luke 10:25-28

"Then He said unto them, 'O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into His glory?' And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself[...]And He said unto them, 'These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.'"
- Luke 24:25-27, 44-48

We see then that it is possible to understand the Word of God by a correct distinct reading and understanding of the sense of God's Word. Furthermore we may use the Word of God to help us understand nature and the scientific and natural principles which exist. This does not mean that all science and mathematical principles are true, for God is Truth (Deuteronomy 32:4) and a God of Knowledge (1 Samuel 2:3) therefore man must by necessity seek to check our understanding to see that it aligns with scripture.

Science has moved on VASTLY since the Romans etc!

You read a bit of scripture and then interpret it the way YOU see it. Give that same bit of scripture to someone else and they will interpret it differently to you.

People read scripture with modern glasses on. Just like Revelation. We have tons of end times experts on these forums all saying that only THEY know the truth of Revelation!

The earth is a sphere. Science has proved it. Astronomy has proved it. Space travel has proved it. Governments have proved it. Etc etc. God gave us science. Science has not stood still.

 

[Lost4words]

One other point which I forgot to address that you brought up concerning God not being able to explain to our ancient ancestors what He would want them to know. Are you truly limiting God with your limited understanding? God had no problem explaining Himself to mankind at anytime, we on the other hand have proven repeatedly that we wish to disobey or not understand Him. We see this through the prophets and different men and women who asked God for understanding when they did not understand certain things.

God had to explain it in a simple way due to the fact that the ancients were just that. Ancient! Imagine God trying to explain to an ancient a jet airliner!?

 

[Oldmantook]

What it tells me is what I say often: If a verse in Scripture appears to be a contradiction, then we need to examine our misunderstanding of that verse. God, who is the creator of everything including the planets, which are spheres, the sun, which is a sphere, and the stars, which are spheres, and who is the author of the Bible would not put passages in Scripture declaring that all of that is flat.

I can't remember the last time I observed a planet but I do see the sun and it does not appear spherical to me. It looks like a flat disc. So why would I assume that it is a sphere when my own observation indicates otherwise? If that is the case, why would I assume the earth is a sphere, particularly when Scripture does not describe it as such?

 

[JacksBratt]

But without mirrors.

So, why is it necessary for mirrors? If they can reflect without mirrors.. they just say "well we put mirrors up there" and it's never provable.

 

[JacksBratt]

In the documentary I mentioned in my first post in this topic I talked about an experiment where some flat earthers tried to prove there was no curvature to the earth.

They found a canal that went straight as an arrow for several miles. They understood the principle that water seeks its own level and the water level at one end of the canal would be exactly the same as the water level at the other end of the canal.

They bought an expensive laser that they knew could be visible and register light at several miles distance.

They then devised some tall poles, I think about 12 feet or so, with foot and inch markings along the length, placed one at the beginning, one at the middle and one at the end of this long, straight canal. They positioned the poles so their bottom ends were exactly the same height as the water level.

They did the experiment at night. When they shot the laser at one end, perfectly level, and about at the 6-foot mark of the first pole, it was so diffused and weak by the time it got to the last pole they couldn't tell where it landed on the pole at the end.

So they came up with a big piece of cardboard with a hole in the middle to help center the big, diffused, weak light against the cardboard; and the hole in the center should be the center of the light source.

When they shot the laser again, they still couldn't see where it was hitting the cardboard. Then somebody came up with the bright idea of lifting the whole cardboard and pole contraption high enough until the laser registered on the cardboard, through the hole in the center and onto the pole.

What they just discovered, and proved beyond a doubt, was the curvature of the earth. Probably, if they had applied the formula mentioned here in previous posts they could have calculated beforehand how much they needed to lift the pole in order to "see" the laser.

Completely undaunted by their failure, they said they believe they just need to rework the experiment and keep trying until they get their proof that the earth is flat.

YWU, what do you suppose we learn from this experience?

What it tells me is what I say often: If a verse in Scripture appears to be a contradiction, then we need to examine our misunderstanding of that verse. God, who is the creator of everything including the planets, which are spheres, the sun, which is a sphere, and the stars, which are spheres, and who is the author of the Bible would not put passages in Scripture declaring that all of that is flat.

The fact that lasers have been used to prove, over water, frozen or calm... that there is no curve... or no evidence of a curve at a rate necessary for the diameter of the globe....is evident on several youtube video sites.

There is even one done by Discovery Network, where they try to debunk it.. but.. needed multi editing and camera effects to get around the simple fact that there laser did not climb away from the surface, as would be necessary on a curved surface.

The Discovery Network production is a failure and huge win for those stating that there is no proof of a curve.

 

[JacksBratt]

I can't remember the last time I observed a planet but I do see the sun and it does not appear spherical to me. It looks like a flat disc. So why would I assume that it is a sphere when my own observation indicates otherwise? If that is the case, why would I assume the earth is a sphere, particularly when Scripture does not describe it as such?

Here is a better question...

The sun spends longer above the horizon, in the north, in the summer, than it does in the winter. The days get longer and longer.. then shorter and shorter.

All of this due to the idea that the earth is on a tilt and as it orbits the sun, the sun shines on the more northern hemisphere in the summer and then more on the southern hemisphere in the winter..

THEN... WHY... if the moon orbits us... WHY does the moon do the same thing as the sun... it spends more time in the sky in the summer and less in the winter.. it almost follows the same path as the sun...
But, we don't orbit the moon.. it orbits us...

WHY does it do this then?

This makes no sense..

The sun and moon, hugely different in size... but are identical in size in our sky.
The sun and moon ... one we orbit.. the other orbits us... yet follow the exact same path across the sky as the year goes by.....

This would make much more sense if they were both close to us and orbited us....

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

In the documentary I mentioned in my first post in this topic I talked about an experiment where some flat earthers tried to prove there was no curvature to the earth.

They found a canal that went straight as an arrow for several miles. They understood the principle that water seeks its own level and the water level at one end of the canal would be exactly the same as the water level at the other end of the canal.

They bought an expensive laser that they knew could be visible and register light at several miles distance.

They then devised some tall poles, I think about 12 feet or so, with foot and inch markings along the length, placed one at the beginning, one at the middle and one at the end of this long, straight canal. They positioned the poles so their bottom ends were exactly the same height as the water level.

They did the experiment at night. When they shot the laser at one end, perfectly level, and about at the 6-foot mark of the first pole, it was so diffused and weak by the time it got to the last pole they couldn't tell where it landed on the pole at the end.

So they came up with a big piece of cardboard with a hole in the middle to help center the big, diffused, weak light against the cardboard; and the hole in the center should be the center of the light source.

When they shot the laser again, they still couldn't see where it was hitting the cardboard. Then somebody came up with the bright idea of lifting the whole cardboard and pole contraption high enough until the laser registered on the cardboard, through the hole in the center and onto the pole.

What they just discovered, and proved beyond a doubt, was the curvature of the earth. Probably, if they had applied the formula mentioned here in previous posts they could have calculated beforehand how much they needed to lift the pole in order to "see" the laser.

Completely undaunted by their failure, they said they believe they just need to rework the experiment and keep trying until they get their proof that the earth is flat.

YWU, what do you suppose we learn from this experience?

What it tells me is what I say often: If a verse in Scripture appears to be a contradiction, then we need to examine our misunderstanding of that verse. God, who is the creator of everything including the planets, which are spheres, the sun, which is a sphere, and the stars, which are spheres, and who is the author of the Bible would not put passages in Scripture declaring that all of that is flat.

Hmmm...I argued from the experiments or math of others did I? I soly argued from scripture. I never saw that experiment so, what I can say is that this experiment shows the faultiness of the theories of those experimenters who gave their views of what the flat earth is and how it operates. The fault of the experimenters does not mean scripture is wrong with its clear descriptions of the earth: it shows that those who sought to understand are short in their understanding of the world God has created. I did not do that, I simply took what scripture plainly says and based my reasoning on that alone. Posts #25, #62, #132, and #162 will show this. Man's failure to understand the Word of God does not invalidate God's wisdom: therefore God does not need to change but, man must change. Still this lengthy rhetoric of yours has not addressed the plain evidence I provided in the aforementioned posts.

Science has moved on VASTLY since the Romans etc!

You read a bit of scripture and then interpret it the way YOU see it. Give that same bit of scripture to someone else and they will interpret it differently to you.

People read scripture with modern glasses on. Just like Revelation. We have tons of end times experts on these forums all saying that only THEY know the truth of Revelation!

The earth is a sphere. Science has proved it. Astronomy has proved it. Space travel has proved it. Governments have proved it. Etc etc. God gave us science. Science has not stood still.

Again you show your failure to comprehend the passages I kindly quoted for you which show no scripture is given of private interpretation. With your silly reasoning it's okay for anyone to interpret scripture the way they see fit...until you're interpretation does not agree with theirs. If we have come "so far from the time of the Romans" then, you have failed to see that the US Government's Constitution states that our form of government is a republic: the republic is a Roman idea. The same goes with democracy which is an idea from the Greeks so, how far have we really come? Not that far...

God had to explain it in a simple way due to the fact that the ancients were just that. Ancient! Imagine God trying to explain to an ancient a jet airliner!?

Ancient does not equal illiterate or possessing little to no understanding. God did not have problems communicating things to our ancestors in a way they would understand. Moses speaks of life being in the blood: and we in modern times balked at that statement until we found out blood letting was a bad idea; the washing of hands and the handling of leprosy in the body, clothing, ones house or household items were the most advanced medical practices of hygiene and quarantine way ahead of its time; the instruction to not eat unclean animals makes sense as most if not all of those forbidden animals are bottom feeders or eat dead things: who wants to consume trash or death?! The elaborate blueprints for the tabernacle of meeting, the Temple of God, and the Temple in the vision of Ezekiel show that the ancients had mastered advanced mathematics and were able to apply it long before we wrapped our heads around it; Job talks about the seas having paths which we discovered were true as the seas have underwater currents and pathways; Ezekiel's vision of the wheels within wheels showed that God possess much more advanced technology than we can comprehend; Zechariah and John the Apostle describe modern warfare for us in their visions in a way that they would be able to understand. That being said I look at the Bible for what it is, not what it was, nor what I would like it to be.

 

[_Dave_]

The fact that lasers have been used to prove, over water, frozen or calm... that there is no curve... or no evidence of a curve at a rate necessary for the diameter of the globe....is evident on several youtube video sites.

There is even one done by Discovery Network, where they try to debunk it.. but.. needed multi editing and camera effects to get around the simple fact that there laser did not climb away from the surface, as would be necessary on a curved surface.

The Discovery Network production is a failure and huge win for those stating that there is no proof of a curve.

Jack, it took me some time to find a YouTube video that did an experiment and actually claimed to prove the earth is flat. It is the one titled, "Flat Earth | Laser Test Proves The Flat Earth - Part 2"

If that one doesn't represent the ones you were talking about, please redirect me to a different one.

What's notable about this one is they went into a great deal of detail about how they adjusted the level of the laser at the firing end in order to compensate for the curvature of the earth, which put their laser right on the mark at the other end as they expected. However, their experiment suddenly failed as they lost sight of the laser as their target boat sank out of sight beyond the horizon.

I can't imagine how that happened, when they were so careful to make adjustments to stay on the target.

 

[_Dave_]

Hmmm...I argued from the experiments or math of others did I? I soly argued from scripture. I never saw that experiment so, what I can say is that this experiment shows the faultiness of the theories of those experimenters who gave their views of what the flat earth is and how it operates. The fault of the experimenters does not mean scripture is wrong with its clear descriptions of the earth: it shows that those who sought to understand are short in their understanding of the world God has created. I did not do that, I simply took what scripture plainly says and based my reasoning on that alone. Posts #25, #62, #132, and #162 will show this. Man's failure to understand the Word of God does not invalidate God's wisdom: therefore God does not need to change but, man must change. Still this lengthy rhetoric of yours has not addressed the plain evidence I provided in the aforementioned posts.


Again you show your failure to comprehend the passages I kindly quoted for you which show no scripture is given of private interpretation. With your silly reasoning it's okay for anyone to interpret scripture the way they see fit...until you're interpretation does not agree with theirs. If we have come "so far from the time of the Romans" then, you have failed to see that the US Government's Constitution states that our form of government is a republic: the republic is a Roman idea. The same goes with democracy which is an idea from the Greeks so, how far have we really come? Not that far...


Ancient does not equal illiterate or possessing little to no understanding. God did not have problems communicating things to our ancestors in a way they would understand. Moses speaks of life being in the blood: and we in modern times balked at that statement until we found out blood letting was a bad idea; the washing of hands and the handling of leprosy in the body, clothing, ones house or household items were the most advanced medical practices of hygiene and quarantine way ahead of its time; the instruction to not eat unclean animals makes sense as most if not all of those forbidden animals are bottom feeders or eat dead things: who wants to consume trash or death?! The elaborate blueprints for the tabernacle of meeting, the Temple of God, and the Temple in the vision of Ezekiel show that the ancients had mastered advanced mathematics and were able to apply it long before we wrapped our heads around it; Job talks about the seas having paths which we discovered were true as the seas have underwater currents and pathways; Ezekiel's vision of the wheels within wheels showed that God possess much more advanced technology than we can comprehend; Zechariah and John the Apostle describe modern warfare for us in their visions in a way that they would be able to understand. That being said I look at the Bible for what it is, not what it was, nor what I would like it to be.

YWU, I certainly admire your tenacity. Hang in there brother. This is the most fun I've had in awhile.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

YWU, I certainly admire your tenacity. Hang in there brother. This is the most fun I've had in awhile.

Oh I am hanging in there for your response brother on the aforementioned posts where I give my reasons for why I believe in a flat earth. Our discussion is rooted in you wanting to know why I believe earth to be flat...not why I believe earth is flat based on the reason of others.

 

[_Dave_]

Oh I am hanging in there for your response brother on the aforementioned posts where I give my reasons for why I believe in a flat earth. Our discussion is rooted in you wanting to know why I believe earth to be flat...not why I believe earth is flat based on the reason of others.

I didn't realize you were still waiting for a response from me. I thought I had covered that several times already.

My response is that you are misunderstanding the Scripture that you claim makes it look like God believes the earth is flat. Beyond that I can't say anything more.

I'm just hanging around here out of curiosity to see how it plays out.

 

[Lost4words]

Hmmm...I argued from the experiments or math of others did I? I soly argued from scripture. I never saw that experiment so, what I can say is that this experiment shows the faultiness of the theories of those experimenters who gave their views of what the flat earth is and how it operates. The fault of the experimenters does not mean scripture is wrong with its clear descriptions of the earth: it shows that those who sought to understand are short in their understanding of the world God has created. I did not do that, I simply took what scripture plainly says and based my reasoning on that alone. Posts #25, #62, #132, and #162 will show this. Man's failure to understand the Word of God does not invalidate God's wisdom: therefore God does not need to change but, man must change. Still this lengthy rhetoric of yours has not addressed the plain evidence I provided in the aforementioned posts.


Again you show your failure to comprehend the passages I kindly quoted for you which show no scripture is given of private interpretation. With your silly reasoning it's okay for anyone to interpret scripture the way they see fit...until you're interpretation does not agree with theirs. If we have come "so far from the time of the Romans" then, you have failed to see that the US Government's Constitution states that our form of government is a republic: the republic is a Roman idea. The same goes with democracy which is an idea from the Greeks so, how far have we really come? Not that far...


Ancient does not equal illiterate or possessing little to no understanding. God did not have problems communicating things to our ancestors in a way they would understand. Moses speaks of life being in the blood: and we in modern times balked at that statement until we found out blood letting was a bad idea; the washing of hands and the handling of leprosy in the body, clothing, ones house or household items were the most advanced medical practices of hygiene and quarantine way ahead of its time; the instruction to not eat unclean animals makes sense as most if not all of those forbidden animals are bottom feeders or eat dead things: who wants to consume trash or death?! The elaborate blueprints for the tabernacle of meeting, the Temple of God, and the Temple in the vision of Ezekiel show that the ancients had mastered advanced mathematics and were able to apply it long before we wrapped our heads around it; Job talks about the seas having paths which we discovered were true as the seas have underwater currents and pathways; Ezekiel's vision of the wheels within wheels showed that God possess much more advanced technology than we can comprehend; Zechariah and John the Apostle describe modern warfare for us in their visions in a way that they would be able to understand. That being said I look at the Bible for what it is, not what it was, nor what I would like it to be.

Again, you have your individual interpretation on scripture. You see it very differently to the next person.

This is why we have so many religions and so called Bible experts. Like you, they think they have the correct meaning from passages etc. You say passage (a) says x i say passage (a) says y. Who is right?

The ancients would not be able to comprehend science today. It would be too advanced for them. Imagine trying to explain space travel to them!

God gave them simple passages that they could understand. Wording that they could understand. Today, experts like you read scripture with modern glasses on. You are looking at it in a way that is wrong.

Just like 6 day creation. God simplified it for the ancients. We know through science that the earth is millions and millions of years old. Yet, YEC's read scripture with the wrong eyes. The wrong glasses! God lives outside of time. We dont.

Do you take everything in the Bible literally? Lots of things in the Bible mean much more than what you read 'literally' or at face value!

 

[Lost4words]

I didn't realize you were still waiting for a response from me. I thought I had covered that several times already.

My response is that you are misunderstanding the Scripture that you claim makes it look like God believes the earth is flat. Beyond that I can't say anything more.

I'm just hanging around here out of curiosity to see how it plays out.

This is very true.

People misunderstand scripture VASTLY! Look at Revelation!

I bet God is looking at those thinking the earth is a pancake and shaking His head in disbelief!

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Again, you have your individual interpretation on scripture. You see it very differently to the next person.

This is why we have so many religions and so called Bible experts. Like you, they think they have the correct meaning from passages etc. You say passage (a) says x i say passage (a) says y. Who is right?

The ancients would not be able to comprehend science today. It would be too advanced for them. Imagine trying to explain space travel to them!

God gave them simple passages that they could understand. Wording that they could understand. Today, experts like you read scripture with modern glasses on. You are looking at it in a way that is wrong.

Just like 6 day creation. God simplified it for the ancients. We know through science that the earth is millions and millions of years old. Yet, YEC's read scripture with the wrong eyes. The wrong glasses! God lives outside of time. We dont.

Do you take everything in the Bible literally? Lots of things in the Bible mean much more than what you read 'literally' or at face value!

This is very true.

People misunderstand scripture VASTLY! Look at Revelation!

I bet God is looking at those thinking the earth is a pancake and shaking His head in disbelief!

As Peter says: No scripture is given of private interpretation.

And do not confuse your lack of understanding of the plain words of a phrase or expression to mean that an idiom is being used. The phrases corners of the earth, four corners of the earth, and ends of the earth are not difficult to understand plainly: God is literally saying the earth has four corners and the earth has ends. That is not hard to understand. It is hard for you two to understand (and others who are of like mind) because it goes against what is taught by the schools and your own personal views. But then again it's no surprise as John tells us:

The light shineth in the darkness, but the darkness could not comprehend it.

As for time, it is mentioned in the first three words of the Bible:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth:

From this we have four key things:

"In the beginning[...]" = Time (creation)
"[...]God created[...] = Energy (Creator)
"[...]the heavens[...] = Space (creation)
"[...]and The earth." = Matter (creation)

Before time was created only eternity existed: therefore God is Eternal and His dwelling is in eternity yet He could create time, space, and matter and act within them while not being subject to them. God being energy is easy to prove once you understand God is Light: therefore energy which cannot be created nor destroyed is light; light is God; and God is Eternal for He cannot be created nor destroyed. God created matter by first creating space which is heaven. Heaven is a solid prism which God passed His light through in order to form what we see and, uses His Word to define what we know,hear and do, and understand.

 

[Oldmantook]

Here is a better question...

The sun spends longer above the horizon, in the north, in the summer, than it does in the winter. The days get longer and longer.. then shorter and shorter.

All of this due to the idea that the earth is on a tilt and as it orbits the sun, the sun shines on the more northern hemisphere in the summer and then more on the southern hemisphere in the winter..

THEN... WHY... if the moon orbits us... WHY does the moon do the same thing as the sun... it spends more time in the sky in the summer and less in the winter.. it almost follows the same path as the sun...
But, we don't orbit the moon.. it orbits us...

WHY does it do this then?

This makes no sense..

The sun and moon, hugely different in size... but are identical in size in our sky.
The sun and moon ... one we orbit.. the other orbits us... yet follow the exact same path across the sky as the year goes by.....

This would make much more sense if they were both close to us and orbited us....

Yes many things "scientific" don't make sense. I still wonder how last year's solar eclipse in which the shadow of the sun moved from the West Coast the East Coast is possible given the supposed direction of the earth's rotation. Given the earth's rotation, the shadow should have instead moved from East to West. I'm not scientific-minded but I do know the scriptures never describe a spherical, moving earth.

 

[Lost4words]

As Peter says: No scripture is given of private interpretation.

And do not confuse your lack of understanding of the plain words of a phrase or expression to mean that an idiom is being used. The phrases corners of the earth, four corners of the earth, and ends of the earth are not difficult to understand plainly: God is literally saying the earth has four corners and the earth has ends. That is not hard to understand. It is hard for you two to understand (and others who are of like mind) because it goes against what is taught by the schools and your own personal views. But then again it's no surprise as John tells us:

The light shineth in the darkness, but the darkness could not comprehend it.

As for time, it is mentioned in the first three words of the Bible:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth:

From this we have four key things:

"In the beginning[...]" = Time (creation)
"[...]God created[...] = Energy (Creator)
"[...]the heavens[...] = Space (creation)
"[...]and The earth." = Matter (creation)

Before time was created only eternity existed: therefore God is Eternal and His dwelling is in eternity yet He could create time, space, and matter and act within them while not being subject to them. God being energy is easy to prove once you understand God is Light: therefore energy which cannot be created nor destroyed is light; light is God; and God is Eternal for He cannot be created nor destroyed. God created matter by first creating space which is heaven. Heaven is a solid prism which God passed His light through in order to form what we see and, uses His Word to define what we know,hear and do, and understand.

Dear oh dear. The earth has ends? What are they like then? The 4 corners, what are they like?

Your views are private interpretations but you cant see it.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Dear oh dear. The earth has ends? What are they like then? The 4 corners, what are they like?

Your views are private interpretations but you cant see it.

Peter tells us that scripture is not given of private interpretation: therefore I am not giving my interpretation of scripture. I am sharing what I am reading and expounding on it. And as for the corners of the earth and their ends read post #132 of this thread.