Few will be saved?

[lsume]

People who commit suicide and stay dead are not saved. Also, God would not hear from Saul towards the end of his life, so it is really obvious he was not saved at this point.

King Saul suffered greatly at the end of his life which is a lesson for all professing Christians.

 

[Marvin Knox]

You really should not need a Bible verse to know this. But if you do, here are few.

Actually we do need a clear Bible verse to know that a person who commits suicide is necessarily lost because of it.

I find it interesting that you not only disagree with the Lord when He told us, "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life." John 5:24

You also disagree with Him when He told us, ""Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven." Matthew 12:31

Are you saying that suicide is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? I doubt that you are - therefore you are wrong according to the direct testimony of Jesus Christ.

The verses you provided, by the way, are wafer thin. Any scripture you provide must agree with the Lord as to what is and what is not forgivable.

You seem to not only judge people as to their doctrine about eternal security. You also seem to have set yourself up as the judge of their particular sins.

Why doesn't that surprise me?

Belief in a works based salvation usually ends up with the person judging the sins of others and comparing other's holiness with their own.

 

[Hillsage]

King Saul suffered greatly at the end of his life which is a lesson for all professing Christians.

As I said; temporal judgments for temporal sins....even for the chosen Jewish king of the chosen people of Jewish Israel.

 

[SBC]

I absolutely agree with you as it pertains to salvation. What many or perhaps most do not understand is that once one is truly sealed, willful sin no longer has the benefit of Christ's sacrifice but must be severely punished as shown in Hebrews

Hell Isume - I somewhat disagree -

Heb.10

Verses 26 to 27

1. 
   
   [26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
   [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Receiving KNOWLEDGE is one thing. We are not saved for receiving KNOWLEDGE. Anyone; atheists, Satan, beginners in learning....can all receive KNOWLEDGE, by hearing a cleric, or picking up a Bible and reading.

There is ALSO, the trusting to BELIEVE the Knowledge received.
Some do, Some don't, Some do only temporarily, Some do permanently.

There is ALSO, Understanding of the Knowledge received.
Some understand with their Flesh MIND, ie what makes sense, logical conclusions. <--- that is a FAIL.
But yet, we find umpteen Different "denominations"....many based on Flesh Minded conclusions of the understanding and meaning of the Knowledge in Scripture.

Why this is a fail ?-

Rom 8 [7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:

What is the INSTEAD solution;
Believe, trust All Scripture is true. Submit unto God, receive His Spirit, who shall teach your born again spirit "HIS" meaning and "HIS" understanding of Scripture.

Thereafter YOU have a difficult task of MAKING your carnal mind, yield to the thoughts in your heart -
which is precisely where your spirit is being taught of Gods Spirit. Paul's struggle and all men's struggle.

However while a challenge, what KEEPS us on the straight and narrow, IS, God Power within us.
Thus - even though our carnal mind is still active, and able to think....God Power keeps the man from ACTING upon thoughts that may pop into his mind. And likewise, we have the Power to put away those thoughts and not dwell on them......and our struggle is.....and our ugh is....we can not control unwanted thoughts that pop into our minds.......The GOOD NEWS IS.... we can put them away...we can NOT act on them.
Whereas, a weaker man, without Gods Power in them, are at a disadvantage, and can easily ACT on wicked thoughts.

King Saul endured this as have I. I can assure you that if you are in fact sealed in The Holy Spirit and enter into willful sin, you will experience the fearful looking for of judgement and fiery indignation. However, I also fall into the category below from Daniel 11

Dan.11

1. 
   [35] And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

This is speaking of men, struggling with the same that we do....."thoughts" in our mind, that is opposing to "thoughts" in our heart. This is speaking of OT men, not yet quite understanding, the POWER of God IN THEM....and the challenge of them trying to NOT DO wickedness, according to the thoughts in their MIND.

Later, it is revealed to us, Having the Holy Spirit, greatly entails, His Power in us, to KEEP us, spiritually Holy unto Him.

I have since been filled with The Love of Christ and pray often to never sin

Here, I would ask you WHY? Why to you pray EVER, to God to keep you from "sin" ?

THAT has ALREADY been fulfilled. IOW, you are praying for something God has ALREADY given you.

SIN is a transgression AGAINST GOD.
When you were naturally born, you were AGAINST God.
When you grew, your natural born was AGAINST God, and your living soul in your body, was being corrupted, being in your corrupt body.

You obviously, sought to learn about God, followed His teaching, trusted His teaching, believed, and choose to COMMIT your life in Faithfulness unto God ONLY..

What did God do, when you committed your LIFE to Him?
Forgave your Life in standing AGAINST God.
KILLED your body- crucified with Christ, done deal; your one appointment with bodily death fulfilled.
RESTORED your soul- to what? Back to the pure soul God gave your natural body at birth.(saved soul)
NEW HEART given you - ie a circumcision of your natural heart.
QUICKENED your natural spirit (from a natural seed), to a spiritual spirit (via Gods Seed).( born again)
His Holy Spirit - entered your Heart and dwells with your spirit.

WHAT IS YOUR SPIRIT? Truth in your heart.
First it was natural.......whatever you believed to be absolute truth.
Now it is supernatural....Gods TRUTH, fed to you, via His Spirit, that you claimed to God to BELIEVE,
.....thus He keeps feeding you His truth, to your spirit, in your heart.

SO - what part of YOU, can ever, again STAND against God...which is...TRANSGRESS AGAINST GOD,
which IS to SIN AGAINST GOD?

Your dead crucified body? no
Your restored soul? no
Your quickened spirit? no

Your CARNAL mind? no

WHY NOT? Inanutshell..... YOU GAVE GOD authority to have complete POWER over your LIFE, when you submitted in faithfulness to God ONLY.

Gods POWER will NEVER AGAIN allow ANY PART of you, body, soul, spirit, mind....to ever stand against Him.

You are now BORN of GOD....Thus, You can never again SIN Against God. Period.

1 John 3
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

What about transgressions of man AGAINST man ?

IS that a SIN? no

WHY NOT?

Because ONLY GOD can forgive SIN.

Mark 2 [7] Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

If man can not forgive SIN, what does man forgive?

Matt 6
[12] And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Matt 6
[14] .. forgive men their trespasses,

Men are to forgive other men of their trespasses and debts.
Men WHO DO forgive other men of their trespasses and debts, God also forgives the same, for the same.
Men WHO DO NOT forgive other men of their trespasses and debts, God also shall NOT forgive the same for the same.

So, in FACT, men CAN and DO and WILL, trespass against each other, and God has provided a remedy for that.

And IN FACT, man who have give God authority over their life, can never again COMMIT SIN, which IS a trespass against God.

Thus - praying to God to keep you FROM sin, is moot. That has already been accomplished.

Asking God to give you more strength to keep you FROM trespassing against another man, is perfectly acceptable, and God gives what a mans asks.

Because we all know IT IS HARD to forgive, cheaters, liars, crooks, thieves, murders, who have trespassed against us, especially personally, especially those we love who have trespassed against us....

But that is God command.....Just as He forgave us when we stood AGAINST Him....we are to do the same, of one man to another.....and He will strengthen us to accomplish what is HARD.

and to be made meek and lowly like our Lord Jesus The Christ.

We all begin meek, lowly, ignorant, unknowing......However it is the submission of our LIFE, that reveals, something much greater....as was Jesus first revealed, a common nobody from Nazareth...to being revealed the CHRIST, GOD WITH GOD, the Lord, the Quickening Spirit.......so too, does the lowly become risen above in the Power of God. Not PROUD....but rather acknowledgment of being a person SET ASIDE, FROM the World, as His chosen elect.

Until someone has experienced the Spiritual things Spoken of in Hebrews and has been truly born again, it is impossible for such a person to understand these mysteries.

Sharp on point! Completely agree!!

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of The Living God.

Agree. Fearful, yet Beautiful and internally Peaceful.

I thank God often that I am not the judge and I am also thankful that many others are not my judge.

Kind of poetic humor. Because every day you are judged, by people you like AND people who do not like you. As well so too, do you judge, others and things, every time you make a determination between yes to this....and no to that.

But I think perhaps you were more speaking to a FINAL Judge. That is not on OPINION, but rather, just the facts.....Either a man has been forgiven, saved, quickened, or he hasn't... A JUDGE, simply rules, based on the facts. It is the facts themselves that determine; WITH or WITHOUT God.
Someone has to announce the findings...that is the Judges duty.

To have experienced walking In The Spirit and then have that taken away

^ THAT, can ONLY apply to angelic spirits. All angels were created spirits, walking with Gods Spirit.
Some angels deflected, stood against God, and shall forever be separated from God.

However a man - whose spirit is quickened, BORN AGAIN, can NEVER again stand AGAINST GOD.

I think you may have confused "walking in the spirit", with having faith and falling away.

Any man, hearing, learning about God, believing what he hears....IS being enlightened by the Spirit of God......that is not same as being INDWELT by the Spirit of God.....or walking in the Spirit.

That is a man who is beginning in faith....He, at anytime can walk away, stop learning, stop believeing, thus he loses what faith he had. He has fallen from faith.

IOW - that man did not stick around long enough to SUBMIT in faithfulness to GOD, thus that man was never forgiven, soul not saved, spirit not quickened, and never received Gods indwelling Spirit....to be ABEL to walk in the Spirit.

Such a man CAN "willfully sin" all day long, or simply go through life, being a nice guy to everyone, but yet never having been forgiven of his SIN against God, or restored, or God with him, or having ever walked in the Spirit.

I thank God The Father for His Grace and Mercy that endureth forever.

Beautiful! Yes, Thanks and Love to our Great God, Blessing to our Great God, who is Greater in us than he who is in the world.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[lsume]

The Word of God below in 1 Timothy 4:10 is not a liscense to sin and anyone going to heaven will have to go through The Refiners Fire. The Word in Daniel 12 applies to those who did not heed The Word of God. However, they will still have to go through the judgement. Since the judgement must first begin at the house of God which is now for those who are born again. From Daniel 12:2, waking to everlasting contempt is not a pleasant future.

1Tim.4

1. 
   [10] For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Mal.3 Verses 1 to 3

1. 
   [1] Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to this temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
   [2] But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
   [3] And he shall sit as a refiner and purifer of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

Dan.12

1. [2] And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

1Pet.4

1. 
   
   [17] For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

 

[lsume]

People who commit suicide and stay dead are not saved. Also, God would not hear from Saul towards the end of his life, so it is really obvious he was not saved at this point.

I only know of one place in The Bible that Speaks of suicide and the man contemplating it feared the after life out come in so doing so decided against.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I only know of one place in The Bible that Speaks of suicide and the man contemplating it feared the after life out come in so doing so decided against.

2 Samuel 7:15 says,

“But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.”
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[lsume]

2 Samuel 7:15 says,

“But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.”
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Excellent quote that I was unaware of until I just read the entire chapter in context.

 

[lsume]

As I've tried to share on numerous occasions, until one is truly born again, they cannot understand. I've met, that I'm aware of, only 4 others who were truly born again to date. This doesn't make it so, it simply means that is what I know.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Of course. That's crystal clear in the scriptures.

Utter nonsense.

"If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:8

"My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous"
1 John 2:1

Do you see it?

That's really good news we see right there.

Marvin, Do you realize that 1 John 1:8 actually contradicts 1 John 3:9?

Why is 1 John 1:6, 8 and 10 not all together, as they are all about those who have no truth in them. If this epistle was written in a Greek style of writing they would be. The answer is that this epistle is written in the Hebrew style of writing, or more accurately, the Semitic style of writing. The first chapter has contrasts of light verses darkness. Every other verse is light, followed by a verse depicting darkness, or good verses evil, or of God or not of God.

5- God is light
6- walking in darkness
7- walking in the light
8- not seeing your sin as sin and repented
9- repentance to bring you into the light
10- never have repented

If you say, but John is addressing Christians, then again, you are not recognizing the Semitic style of writing. There are other Semitic styles of writing, not just contrasts. For instance, parallels. Saying the same thing with two different wordings for emphasis.

The western church has used 1 John 1:8 for a long, long time to justify their sin, like "well, everybody does it." No, that is sooooooo wrong. 1 John 3:9 says a Christian cannot sin. John wrote both in the same epistle. It is all up to the reader to research and choose right from error, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The reason why so many in the church still have no power over sin is because they only have a head knowledge of Jesus. They have never truly repented of all sin. Acts 2:38 requires repentance to receive the Holy Spirit. And Romans 8:9 says without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, you don't belong to Christ. Thus, there are many unsaved pew warmers filling the church.

 

[1stcenturylady]

As I've tried to share on numerous occasions, until one is truly born again, they cannot understand. I've met, that I'm aware of, only 4 others who were truly born again to date. This doesn't make it so, it simply means that is what I know.

What did you find different in yourself. (Sorry, I haven't read your previous posts.) For me, it was power over sin, overnight! Also, a constant desire to learn more of God, and being able to hear His voice. And from then on all my prayers were answered, whereas, before, not one prayer was answered. Amazing!

 

[Marvin Knox]

Do you realize that 1 John 1:8 actually contradicts 1 John 3:9?

If you say, but John is addressing Christians, then again, you are not recognizing the Semitic style of writing...............

The western church has used 1 John 1:8 for a long, long time to justify their sin, like "well, everybody does it." No, that is sooooooo wrong........

1 John 3:9 says a Christian cannot sin...........

Thus, there are many unsaved pew warmers filling the church.

There is no contradiction between 1 John 1:8 and 1 John 3:9

If John is not addressing Christians, who is he addressing?

I doubt that anyone is trying to justify their sins by agreeing with 1 John 1:8. They are, rather, simply taking it as it is written and looking at it in the light of the examples we have in scripture of Christians sinning.

1 John 3:9 is another matter:
"And he cannot sin (και οὐ δυναται ἁμαρτανειν [kai ou dunatai hamartanein]). This is a wrong translation, for this English naturally means “and he cannot commit sin” as if it were και οὐ δυναται ἁμαρτειν [kai ou dunatai hamartein] or ἁμαρτησαι [hamartēsai] (second aorist or first aorist active infinitive). The present active infinitive ἁμαρτανειν [hamartanein] can only mean “and he cannot go on sinning,” as is true of ἁμαρτανει [hamartanei] in verse 8 and ἁμαρτανων [hamartanōn] in verse 6. ---------- What is happening in 1 John 3:9 is that John is saying that the one who is born again does not habitually abide in sin. He may fall into it, (as we see Christians doing in the scripture examples) but he does not practice it as a lifestyle. The nuances of the Greek language are not carried over to the English, but when we understand what is happening, we then see there is no problem.

I have no doubt there are many unsaved pew warmers, pulpit warmers, and priest/nun costume warmers filling the so called church.

There are also proponents of OSAS who are unsaved and there are people who attack OSAS proponents who are not saved.

There will also be many who will be depending on their good deeds to save them who are not saved. They will even have made Jesus the "Lord" of their life - even the "Lord, Lord" of their life and He will say to them I "NEVER" knew you.

 

[1stcenturylady]

There is no contradiction between 1 John 1:8 and 1 John 3:9

If John is not addressing Christians, who is he addressing?

I doubt that anyone is trying to justify their sins by agreeing with 1 John 1:8. They are, rather, simply taking it as it is written and looking at it in the light of the examples we have in scripture of Christians sinning.

1 John 3:9 is another matter:
"And he cannot sin (και οὐ δυναται ἁμαρτανειν [kai ou dunatai hamartanein]). This is a wrong translation, for this English naturally means “and he cannot commit sin” as if it were και οὐ δυναται ἁμαρτειν [kai ou dunatai hamartein] or ἁμαρτησαι [hamartēsai] (second aorist or first aorist active infinitive). The present active infinitive ἁμαρτανειν [hamartanein] can only mean “and he cannot go on sinning,” as is true of ἁμαρτανει [hamartanei] in verse 8 and ἁμαρτανων [hamartanōn] in verse 6. ---------- What is happening in 1 John 3:9 is that John is saying that the one who is born again does not habitually abide in sin. He may fall into it, (as we see Christians doing in the scripture examples) but he does not practice it as a lifestyle. The nuances of the Greek language are not carried over to the English, but when we understand what is happening, we then see there is no problem.

I have no doubt there are many unsaved pew warmers, pulpit warmers, and priest/nun costume warmers filling the so called church.

In chapter 4:1-3 John describes those who were infiltrating the church. They are the ones he is accurately describing in 1 John 1:6, 8 and 10, and church history calls them Gnostics. The Nicolaitans were also Gnostic in their false and heinous doctrine. Their beliefs are accurately described in those 3 verses. They were in the church, but not saved, trying to spread their filthy doctrines. John is warning the believers not to be deceived.

As for no contradiction between 1 John 1:8 about Gnostics, and 1 John 3:9 about true believers, that's ridiculous.

 

[Marvin Knox]

In chapter 4:1-3 John describes those who were infiltrating the church. They are the ones he is accurately describing in 1 John 1:6, 8 and 10, and church history calls them Gnostics. The Nicolaitans were also Gnostic in their false and heinous doctrine.

No doubt there were many in the church who were not really God's children.

But there can be no doubt as to who the words of the book was addressed and who was expected to learn from it:

"My little children....... Beloved, I am not writing......which is true in Him and in you...... I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name’s sake.......I have written to you, children, because you know the Father........the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one...........They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. But you have an anointing from the Holy One.........See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is..........you are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world...."

Of the Gnostics and Nicolaitans I have little doubt that the Lord "never" knew them.

By the way - I'm not exactly sure what your thrust is here. Is it to address the O.P. by saying (quite correctly) that many will not be saved for various reasons?

Or is it to derail the thread like Jason and concentrate on undermining the doctrine of eternal security?

 

[SBC]

Actually we do need a clear Bible verse to know that a person who commits suicide is necessarily lost because of it.

Well, while that would be convenient, there isn't one that I know of.

However, a man that IS forgiven, whose soul IS saved, whose spirit IS quickened, IS born of God, and shall not ever become UN-saved or UN-born of God.

I think this is your position as well.

Now - the crux of the matter seems to always begin with one saying....for themselves, or another claiming for them.......awe, one who is saved/born again can do whatever THEY WANT, and still be saved and born again.

Well the fact is, there is a transition of a newly saved and born again person, meaning, they may still have wicked thoughts pop into their head.....but ~ the Power of God is in them now....thus they begin to learn what giving their life to God means. His Power is in them and He is going to be busy talking to the born again spirit of man, that their thoughts in their mind will begin learning to list to the thought in their heart, where God Spirit and the mans spirit dwells.

About the suicide thing....tragic....for sure. And problematic, to solve a temporary problem with such a permanent solution. We all have times of despair, hardships, etc. However if one has not learned to lean on Gods comfort, I suppose one killing themselves does happen. I'm not agreeing that that is a good option, but yet, I neither see it as much different than a saved and born again person, killing another person. And in my view, killing another person, does not always equate to murder, nor undoes a persons committed faithfulness to God, nor Gods rejection of that person.

The saving and born again hinges on a mans committed faithfulness to God, period. And truly, I find Nothing that undoes that ONCE it has been accomplished.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Hillsage]

No doubt there were many in the church who were not really God's children.

But there can be no doubt as to who the words of the book was addressed and who was expected to learn from it:

"My little children....... Beloved, I am not writing......which is true in Him and in you...... I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name’s sake......

I certainly agree with part of your post; The book was written to "LITTLE CHILDREN" spiritually speaking. A term reserved for CHRISTIANS who weren't as mature as maybe they think they are.

GAL 4:19 My little children, with whom I am again in travail until Christ be FORMED in you!

And, unfortunately a lot of 'little children', who were spiritually immature have most certainly influenced and formed many of the man-made 'carnal minded' doctrines which have infiltrated the the spiritual church over the centuries.

 

[lsume]

What did you find different in yourself. (Sorry, I haven't read your previous posts.) For me, it was power over sin, overnight! Also, a constant desire to learn more of God, and being able to hear His voice. And from then on all my prayers were answered, whereas, before, not one prayer was answered. Amazing!

The first thing that happened was God The Father put me in a fast which I knew nothing about and then on the 3rd day of that fast I opened my Bible and the scales were removed from my eyes. I was supernaturally illuminated and saw the absolute truth in The Word for the first time. On the 6th day of the fast I was walking out of our bedroom one evening and I was instantly suspended over the lake of fire and there was nothing that I could do about it. I quickly learned the fear of The Lord. It was a powerful vision. After that, there have been so many powerful miracles that I can't remember them all. It began when I was 36 over 26 years ago. It led me to the actual born again experience which was by far the single most terrifying experience in my life. The Lord prepared me for it in a way that I could understand it. I began begging God for someone who understood what I was going through and He answered me quickly with a Brother that I still fellowship with. He had gone through a very similar list of changes and was the principal of a large Baptist school at the time. He is about 10 years older than me and he also went through this when he was 36. He had never met another and until recently still had never met another. I had met 4 others since it first happened to me. Many mysteries are revealed after this experience that can only be truly understood when you have gone through them. We both believe that the day approaches when the world at large with exceptions Spoken of by Moses in Numbers 16:29 and perhaps others but in that day they will understand that Christ is Lord and then they will be literally be in for the fight of their life. If those days are not shortened no flesh will be saved. Where the corpse is there will the eagles be gathered. This means once they fail they will be fodder for possession and they will most certainly hate Christians. This is very strong meat and not meant to be shared with babes.

 

[1stcenturylady]

The first thing that happened was God The Father put me in a fast which I knew nothing about and then on the 3rd day of that fast I opened my Bible and the scales were removed from my eyes. I was supernaturally illuminated and saw the absolute truth in The Word for the first time. On the 6th day of the fast I was walking out of our bedroom one evening and I was instantly suspended over the lake of fire and there was nothing that I could do about it. I quickly learned the fear of The Lord. It was a powerful vision. After that, there have been so many powerful miracles that I can't remember them all. It began when I was 36 over 26 years ago. It led me to the actual born again experience which was by far the single most terrifying experience in my life. The Lord prepared me for it in a way that I could understand it. I began begging God for someone who understood what I was going through and He answered me quickly with a Brother that I still fellowship with. He had gone through a very similar list of changes and was the principal of a large Baptist school at the time. He is about 10 years older than me and he also went through this when he was 36. He had never met another and until recently still had never met another. I had met 4 others since it first happened to me. Many mysteries are revealed after this experience that can only be truly understood when you have gone through them. We both believe that the day approaches when the world at large with exceptions Spoken of by Moses in Numbers 16:29 and perhaps others but in that day they will understand that Christ is Lord and then they will be literally be in for the fight of their life. If those days are not shortened no flesh will be saved. Where the corpse is there will the eagles be gathered. This means once they fail they will be fodder for possession and they will most certainly hate Christians. This is very strong meat and not meant to be shared with babes.

Thank you. I too had a vision that night in 1977. I was in the country in a large field and could see a town in the distance. In the middle of the field was a large glass tube, about 300 feet in diameter. The tube was vertical and went all the way into the clouds above. Half way up was a nest of large snakes blocking the tube, and it was revealed to me that it was my sin. My sin was preventing relationship with God. He couldn't answer my prayers, or bless me. It was then I repented. God filled me with His Spirit, and my desires changed overnight. I too have had one miracle after another since then, and He has revealed what He means in His Word, and sometimes it is quite different than any denomination believes. What a journey. And I too have not seen many with this type of experience. So now you have 5.

 

[lsume]

Thank you. I too had a vision that night in 1977. I was in the country in a large field and could see a town in the distance. In the middle of the field was a large glass tube, about 300 feet in diameter. The tube was vertical and went all the way into the clouds above. Half way up was a nest of large snakes blocking the tube, and it was revealed to me that it was my sin. My sin was preventing relationship with God. He couldn't answer my prayers, or bless me. It was then I repented. God filled me with His Spirit, and my desires changed overnight. I too have had one miracle after another since then, and He has revealed what He means in His Word, and sometimes it is quite different than any denomination believes. What a journey. And I too have not seen many with this type of experience. So now you have 5.

The many mysteries That The Lord has revealed, as you now know, can only be revealed directly from The Holy Trinity. Each aspect of my short testimony above is in God's Word.

Christ Speaking in Revelations below was broken to shivers just as each of His Brothers and Sisters must also be broken. In the beginning of Mathew 24 when the disciples want to show Christ the buildings of the temple and Christ replies that not one stone will be left upon another is a Spiritual message. However, if you search out a commentary on those verses you will most likely find that the buildings were destroyed in 70 AD. Christ is teaching that every stone in your temple must be placed by God The Father with Christ as the cornerstone or the stones are coming down. Also, as shown in Isaiah below, Christ was made of quick understanding in The Fear of The Lord which is one of the greatest blessings anyone can get.

Isa.11

1. [3] And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

Rev.2 Verses 27 to 29

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   [27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
   [28] And I will give him the morning star.
   [29] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 

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Excellent quote that I was unaware of until I just read the entire chapter in context.

Yes, many believe Solomon was not saved and Saul was saved.
However, this chapter says the exact opposite.