Ferguson Lie: MRC hits the nail on the head

[CaDan]

*Ethical violation removed*

Oh look. Racist violates attorney-client privilege because Negroes Are Scary.

And readers of White Nationalist websites cheer.

 

[KarateCowboy]

I have read plenty of articles like this, and those ones at least had the honesty to say, "I was a liberal, not now".

That 'liberal' is a racist.

Meh.

Keep saying that if it makes you feel better. The rest of us have stopped becoming alarmed when we hear shouting about wolves.

 

[Avid]

... I've seen black scum. I've also remember a black water polo player on the Cal Tech team, A black surgeon I played rugby with while in Grad School at UCLA. A black church lady down in watts who hunted me down at the end of the day to make SURE I got my knife back...

I am not a bit surprised. I have the same attitude to strangers, and the fact that certain cultures are this different catches me unprepared.

 

[KarateCowboy]

I've seen black scum. I've also remember a black water polo player on the Cal Tech team, A black surgeon I played rugby with while in Grad School at UCLA. A black church lady down in watts who hunted me down at the end of the day to make SURE I got my knife back. (Post Rodney King riots, the Irish Honkey, e.g. me, was the only one there with a knife and it can be difficult to open boxes of food bare handed). At least a dozen more black rugby players all good guys and most college graduates and not from second rate schools.

Indeed. I worked briefly with a fellow who went to Stanford. Surprise, surprise, he came from an intact family where his parents were very, very invested in their kids.

 

[Avid]

Well let's look at how he closed:

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No qualifications, just black.

That looks like textbook racism to me and I'd hazard and rational person.

I understand why you say it. I think the context of the rest of the article would shed light on why he does not precede every mention of who he is discussing with the same disclaimer. I am trying to do that, though, because I know how some people will attach that to whatever I say on the subject if I don't. I cannot count on people to see all of what I say in context.

Again, the article is speaking specifically about people this fellow had defended in criminal cases. He starts by showing percentages by race, and goes to discussing the DEFENDANTS on that basis. That he does not start every sentence with that disclaimer should not be taken as a secret attitude that is defied in the man's very description of how he came to the conclusion and arrived at this understanding.

 

[JustOneWay]

Meh.

Keep saying that if it makes you feel better. The rest of us have stopped becoming alarmed when we hear shouting about wolves.

The man is a racist no matter how much you defend him.

Now I feel better....

 

[Avid]

ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/488187/racism

racism, also called racialism , any action, practice, or belief that reflects the racial worldview—the ideology that humans are divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called "races," that there is a causal link between inherited physical traits and traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural behavioral features, and that some races are innately superior to others.

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[Sistrin]

actually, it was racial differences...

which demonstrates that the author is a racist.

When you can't make a reasoned response, just cry racism.

But somehow those cultural differences are always tied to Blackness.

They are tied to those the author deals with on a continual basis. The perspective of the author is the same as many street cops assigned to patrol low-income areas of town, where they see the same people on the street every day and night or see the same reaction to their presence with little variation. After awhile such continued exposure can warp ones sense of perspective. When every black person you encounter treats you with contempt, it is easy to lose sight of those who don't.

He uses the blacks he meets as defendants in the court system as a defining set for the entire race. And remember he only meets the ones he is defending as public defender. The somewhat smarter ones can afford better representation.

This is the issue I took as well. It may be very true those blacks he encounters on a daily basis act in the manner he describes, but even if so his sample group does not and can not be used to reflect the group of all black people. The "White Man's Burden" aspect struck me as well, as if he is a proud martyr for doing his part to support those not willing to support themselves.

 

[keith99]

I understand why you say it. I think the context of the rest of the article would shed light on why he does not precede every mention of who he is discussing with the same disclaimer. I am trying to do that, though, because I know how some people will attach that to whatever I say on the subject if I don't. I cannot count on people to see all of what I say in context.

Again, the article is speaking specifically about people this fellow had defended in criminal cases. He starts by showing percentages by race, and goes to discussing the DEFENDANTS on that basis. That he does not start every sentence with that disclaimer should not be taken as a secret attitude that is defied in the man's very description of how he came to the conclusion and arrived at this understanding.

For ever sentence sure, for a CONCLUSION, NO. He made a clear statement. Also this was a written piece, not a transcript of a speech. It isn't hard to add one adjective after black, black defendants shows a limiting of the scope. He chose not to do that.

Again his closing was that blacks are dangerous and different from almost all other races. As racist as it gets.

 

[JustOneWay]

When you can't make a reasoned response, just cry racism.

I did not cry about anything. The guy is a racist, plain for all to see.

Yet apparently you don't think so. LOL

 

[Avid]

... The "White Man's Burden" aspect struck me as well, as if he is a proud martyr for doing his part to support those not willing to support themselves.

I can see that, but does it negate how that is EXACTLY what he spend his many hours doing? It may be distorting, and may tend toward having a prejudicial attitude, but is that the same as racism? Is he NOT doing the very thing that gives him the perspective of being the last or ONLY hope these people have in a courtroom where their future, or their very LIFE, is on the line?

Sitting at a distance, and reading something online, is not the same as going to bat for someone who considers you his enemy!! It does not allow you "to feel as the other fellow does" as he is in the trenches, so to speak.

I can relate, and even tell you of something that happened to my grandfather in the Great War.

One time, my grandfather was pinned down in a foxhole, or shell crater, for days. I'm not too sure if he was alone in there, but he was certainly hungry and scared. At one point, he saw a mouse running along the edge of the hole, which stopped, and looked him right in the eyes before running along. My grandfather said that, at that moment, he would have gladly traded places with that mouse.
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This does not mean I know what it feels like to be in a battle or pinned down or in desperation of my life, but anyone I meet that had a similar experience deserves a certain level of tolerance and respect from me because of it.

This a further extension of what KC was saying about being raised to consider the feelings of others. You do not have to be a veteran, haunted by harrowing experiences, to know he was in desperate trouble there. Those who would not feel for him or understand how it may affect him have not the basic sense of empathy described in the article, and expounded by KC.

 

[KarateCowboy]

We are not prepared as egotistical and self center little babes, completely controlled by the nature we inherit from parents, to make anything else our priority. That is why we see little children crying because parents refuse to buy them a toy or treat when they are in the store. The child has put value on what he sees, and attached himself to the item with the affections, and it is like ripping the very heart out of the child to tell them, "No!"

Those are some of the strongest memories of childhood, apart from playing with other kids, birthdays, Christmas, etc. I mean, for day-to-day memories. I remember it being almost traumatic to find out that when my mother said "And if I get to three, and you're not quiet, then you'll get a slap" that she really, really meant it. I never thought about it, but what kind of life lesson would I internalize if something different happened. What if I just had to have something that I didn't even know existed two minutes prior, and nobody had told me 'no'? What if, say, that thing was a toy my sister had, and all I had to do was take it forcibly? What if I took it from her, and she cried, and I sat there playing with it, ignoring her crying, and no adult came to set things straight? Now, imagine if that scenario played out, over and over, throughout my youth... I imagine I might try to rob a convenience store, in broad daylight, in front of the camera. Heck, I might even try to take a police officer's gun from him!

 

[Avid]

It's sooooo racist!

As you know full well, a person who is a racist thinks those things for ALL circumstances. This fellow would find it difficult to work with a black lawyer if what is being alleged here were actually true. Racism is not a selective thing. The person who is racist feels that way about the person because of his race (college rugby player or gang banger...)

Just because you might use some common sense, and be particularly cautious one time, or in certain situations, does not qualify you as a racist! I have experience that should have taught me some of these lessons years ago, but reading the experiences this fellow had, opened my eyes to what I should expect in certain situations.

 

[JustOneWay]

As you know full well, a person who is a racist thinks those things for ALL circumstances. This fellow would find it difficult to work with a black lawyer if what is being alleged here were actually true. Racism is not a selective thing. The person who is racist feels that way about the person because of his race (college rugby player or gang banger...)

Just because you might use some common sense, and be particularly cautious one time, or in certain situations, does not qualify you as a racist! I have experience that should have taught me some of these lessons years ago, but reading the experiences this fellow had, opened my eyes to what I should expect in certain situations.

Apparently you should expect to find that blacks do not reason, communicate and cannot control impulses well. However, like a dog, one understands the limitations and does the best one can do considering what one has to work with.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Oh look. Racist violates attorney-client privilege because Negroes Are Scary.

And readers of White Nationalist websites cheer.

Yes yes. The scary racist wrote an essay about his experience with the justice system in racial context! It's racist, racist, racist!

He's using a pseudonym and dropping no names, not even a city name. What you wrote there, untrue. Were he not using a pseudonym, you might even say slander. The Bible condemns slander much more strongly than writing about social attitudes in a racial context. If that essay is racist, then racism must be profoundly illuminating!

(staff edit)

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

He uses the blacks he meets as defendants in the court system as a defining set for the entire race. And remember he only meets the ones he is defending as public defender. The somewhat smarter ones can afford better representation.

He does represent white and Hispanic clients as well, and he sees a major contrast with them.

I've seen black scum. I've also remember a black water polo player on the Cal Tech team, A black surgeon I played rugby with while in Grad School at UCLA. A black church lady down in watts who hunted me down at the end of the day to make SURE I got my knife back.

The point is not that some of his clients are scum. Working for scum, of whatever race, goes with the territory when you're a criminal defense attorney. However, being scum is one thing. Inability to understand that your attorney is working for your interests and being oblivious the impression you will give to the judge and jury is quite another.

I did not cry about anything. The guy is a racist, plain for all to see.

Ad homenim. He shared his personal experience. Make of that what you will.

 

[CaDan]

The useful thing about threads like this is we can see who applauds White Supremacists.

 

[JustOneWay]

Ad homenim. He shared his personal experience. Make of that what you will.

Not ad hominim. I quoted his words. Yes, he shared his personal racist views and I determined he is a racist. Granted, he still wants to help blacks as others might help a poor animal, yet it is nonetheless racist.

 

[bhsmte]

I wonder if the guy who wrote the article is objective enough to understand, his personal experiences and perceptions of blacks, don't apply to all blacks, the same way his personal experience with whites, would not apply to all whites?

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Not ad hominim. I quoted his words. Yes, he shared his personal racist views and I determined he is a racist. Granted, he still wants to help blacks as others might help a poor animal, yet it is nonetheless racist.

Your point being what? That you can dismiss everything he says?