FBI raid Mar-A-Lago

[BPPLEE]

I notice that about 60 percent of Americans now think Trump should be arrested, after the hearings, compared to about 64 percent before the hearings. So there was more interest than you suppose.

That's a 4 percent drop.

 

[BPPLEE]

I think you misspoke. What you posted looks like the hearings brought the percentage of those for Trump being charged down.

Sounds about right

 

[BPPLEE]

It's true that the extreme right was doing more rioting than just the coup attempt on the Capitol:

Far-right “Boogaloo boy” killed officer after using Black Lives Matter protest as cover: prosecutors
“Boogaloo boy” killed officer, used BLM protest as cover: prosecutors

Far-right extremist shot at Minneapolis' police precinct to spark violence during Floyd protests, FBI says
Far-right extremist shot at Minneapolis' police precinct to spark violence during Floyd protests, FBI says

I'm sure we can trust Salon as a fair and balanced source

 

[childeye 2]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

That's not the subject. The subject is that these people were there because they believed a lie.

 

[BPPLEE]

Well, let's take a look. Real Clear Politics average of all major polls...
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Off by 1.1 percent. Pretty good, um?

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Off by 2.7%. Still pretty good. Error is way to small to give you any comfort WRT the current polls.

Yes that was in November. The polls tightened significantly

 

[childeye 2]

Sounds about right

According to a new ABC News/Ipsos poll, 58% of the nation now supports charging Trump, who helped incite the mob that breached the U.S. Capitol in an attempt to stop Joe Biden from becoming president.


That percentage is up from a similar ABC News/Washington Post poll conducted in late April — before the Jan. 6 committee began hosting public hearings on its investigation — that revealed 52% of Americans wanted to see Trump charged.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Comes down to evidence. And that's the difficulty for you. Reality might be annoying, but it is real.

Am I Adam Schiff, who lies for two years to the nation? I am Nancy Pelosi or Nadler who ran 2.5 years with a made up by the DOJ narrative that blew up in their faces and are now doing it again? That reality? Or is it the reality that the Democratic Party is coming apart at the seams and they are so frightened of President Trump running again that is seems a whole lot like they are trying every dirty trick in the bag to stop him?

Or is it the reality that President Trump and his attorneys were fully compliant with what was being asked, to the point that the FBI knew exactly which rooms the boxes were in - President Trump's staff reinforcing the security on the room by adding another lock at their request.

Or the reality it is the placement of that requested lock that they used for 'obstruction' accusations.

The fact that it's Trump's own guy running the FBI blows all those conspiracy stories out of the water. Really no way to get around the fact.

If that helps some on the radical left sleep at night - run with it. No one else is even paying attention anymore.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I'm sure we can trust Salon as a fair and balanced source

Just an FYI - the online magazine Salon endorses the normalization of pedophilia.

 

[Always in His Presence]

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[BPPLEE]

Am I Adam Schiff, who lies for two years to the nation? I am Nancy Pelosi or Nadler who ran 2.5 years with a made up by the DOJ narrative that blew up in their faces and are now doing it again? That reality? Or is it the reality that the Democratic Party is coming apart at the seams and they are so frightened of President Trump running again that is seems a whole lot like they are trying every dirty trick in the bag to stop him?

Or is it the reality that President Trump and his attorneys were fully compliant with what was being asked, to the point that the FBI knew exactly which rooms the boxes were in - President Trump's staff reinforcing the security on the room by adding another lock at their request.

Or the reality it is the placement of that requested lock that they used for 'obstruction' accusations.




If that helps some on the radical left sleep at night - run with it. No one else is even paying attention anymore.

Bill Maher admits FBI raid is 'saving Trump politically' just as his fortune was 'finally falling'

 

[The Barbarian]

Bill Maher admits FBI raid is 'saving Trump politically' just as his fortune was 'finally falling'

Hmm... Wasn't Maher the guy who called the 9/11 terrorists "brave?"

Doesn't look as though anyone has researched how Americans view Trump's theft of documents.

 

[The Barbarian]

Yes that was in November. The polls tightened significantly

And as you see, the pollsters got it right. They did pretty good with the Biden/Trump race, too. Let's look a little farther back...

Obama did better, than projected, but taking out Osama bin Laden probably gave him a larger boost than expected.

Pretty close to predictions.

Again, pretty close. So polls do work better than you seem to think.

 

[BPPLEE]

And as you see, the pollsters got it right. They did pretty good with the Biden/Trump race, too. Let's look a little farther back...

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Obama did better, than projected, but taking out Osama bin Laden probably gave him a larger boost than expected.

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Pretty close to predictions.

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Again, pretty close. So polls do work better than you seem to think.

Apparently you don't remember the polls that had Hillary ahead by an insurmountable margin the majority of 2016. They only tightened right before the election. Nationwide opinion polling for the 2016 United States presidential election - Wikipedia Even in November almost every poll had her winning.

 

[The Barbarian]

Apparently you don't remember the polls that had Hillary ahead by an insurmountable margin the majority of 2016.

I'm merely noting that the predicted outcome in the last polls before the election were very accurate. That's just a fact. If the election had been held earlier, the outcome may have been different. But it was held in November. And the polls called voter opinion very accurately.

They only tightened right before the election.

And they were right. That's the point, isn't it?

 

[The Barbarian]

Apparently, Trump's lawyers had previously assured the Justice Department that all stolen classified documents had been returned. Which is probably why obstruction is now in play.

 

[BPPLEE]

I'm merely noting that the predicted outcome in the last polls before the election were very accurate. That's just a fact. If the election had been held earlier, the outcome may have been different. But it was held in November. And the polls called voter opinion very accurately.



And they were right. That's the point, isn't it?

Then polls are useless until the last few weeks before an election. They are not a predictor of anything and are more likely used to sway opinions until right before the election when they have to be accurate or lose credibility. Before that they are useless. See the link in my previous post.

 

[childeye 2]

Then polls are useless until the last few weeks before an election. They are not a predictor of anything and are more likely used to sway opinions until right before the election when they have to be accurate or lose credibility. Before that they are useless. See the link in my previous post.

All campaigns use polls to track public sentiments.

 

[The Barbarian]

Then polls are useless until the last few weeks before an election.

They probably are useful to campaigns and to the public as information on how the candidates are doing. The point, of course, is that these polls, particularly averages of polls, are very good indicators of public opinion.

They are not a predictor of anything and are more likely used to sway opinions until right before the election when they have to be accurate or lose credibility.

Given that these pollsters depend on accuracy to make money, I'm thinking you're wrong. Bottom line? Polls have been very accurate at prediction elections.

 

[BPPLEE]

They probably are useful to campaigns and to the public as information on how the candidates are doing. The point, of course, is that these polls, particularly averages of polls, are very good indicators of public opinion.



Given that these pollsters depend on accuracy to make money, I'm thinking you're wrong. Bottom line? Polls have been very accurate at prediction elections.

No they haven't.

 

[BPPLEE]

All campaigns use polls to track public sentiments.

Some are better than others. In 2016 they had Hillary winning all year then only tightened right before the election. Even in November almost every poll had Hillary winning Nationwide opinion polling for the 2016 United States presidential election - Wikipedia