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[Aldebaran]

Except he did not demonize half the country, just a handful of MAGA extremists who are opposed to democracy.

Now, I want to be very clear, very clear up front. Not every Republican, not even the majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans. Not every Republican embraces their extreme ideology. I know, because I’ve been able to work with these mainstream Republicans....

And here, in my view, is what is true: MAGA Republicans do not respect the Constitution. They do not believe in the rule of law. They do not recognize the will of the people. They refuse to accept the results of a free election, and they’re working right now as I speak in state after state to give power to decide elections in America to partisans and cronies, empowering election deniers to undermine democracy itself.​

He's not wrong.

Too bad there's no proof of any of it. Therefore, it's just the ravings of a desperate man who knows his party is about to lose in November.

 

[BPPLEE]

You really think Biden commands the same kind of fealty? It's weird that on one hand you have Trump devotees lamenting how Biden couldn't possibly have won as no one attended his rallies compared to Trump's, how Democrats are always dissing and deserting Biden then on the other they claim that Biden fans (really?) are just as devout and extreme as MAGA Reps. It doesn't add up.

The Biden Blinders cause his supporters to overlook things that are blatantly apparent. They see it but they just pretend they don't. He has no problem reading a teleprompter. He doesn't really make gaffes. There was nothing wrong with the way we left Afghanistan. There's no problem at the border. All that spending will pay for itself. There is no inflation. Kamala is a great VP and on and on

 

[DaisyDay]

Too bad there's no proof of any of it. Therefore, it's just the ravings of a desperate man who knows his party is about to lose in November.

What, you're saying that you and the other MAGA boys do accept the results of the last election? You missed all the changes in the last year? 10 new state laws shift power over elections to partisan entities

 

[stevil]

He doesn't really make gaffes. There was nothing wrong with the way we left Afghanistan. There's no problem at the border. There is no inflation.

My guess is that most Democrat supporters would accept that inflation is happening in USA, that there is a problem at the border, that the pullout from Afghanistan was messy and problematic and that Biden sometimes makes gaffes.

 

[Aldebaran]

What, you're saying that you and the other MAGA boys do accept the results of the last election? You missed all the changes in the last year? 10 new state laws shift power over elections to partisan entities

What is a "MAGA boy"?

 

[DaisyDay]

The Biden Blinders cause his supporters to overlook things that are blatantly apparent. They see it but they just pretend they don't. He has no problem reading a teleprompter. He doesn't really make gaffes. There was nothing wrong with the way we left Afghanistan. There's no problem at the border. All that spending will pay for itself. There is no inflation. Kamala is a great VP and on and on

None of what you claim is real. Who has ever claimed Biden hasn't made gaffes his entire political life? There was no good way to leave Afghanistan but staying was no longer an option (that deal was worked out by the previous guy). No one has said there is no border problem, but MAGA guys claim that Biden knocked down the wall rather than extending it and that Biden has removed all border checks. Who has said there is no inflation? You are just making this stuff up.

 

[DaisyDay]

What is a "MAGA boy"?

What do you think? It's a portmanteau of MAGA and fanboy. What term would you prefer?

 

[Aldebaran]

My guess is that most Democrat supporters would accept that inflation is happening in USA, that there is a problem at the border, that the pullout from Afghanistan was messy and problematic and that Biden sometimes makes gaffes.

And yet, in biden's prime time speech last night he didn't make a single mention about inflation, or the border, or faulty pullout from Afghanistan. Also, nothing about the Fentanyl crisis (mostly from Mexico and China) that has killed tens of thousands of Americans.
IOW, he said nothing about what people in this country actually care about--the things that are actually affecting their lives. He only focused on what affects HIS life.

 

[Aldebaran]

What do you think? It's a portmanteau of MAGA and fanboy. What term would you prefer?

Try something that isn't meant as a flame.

 

[BPPLEE]

My guess is that most Democrat supporters would accept that inflation is happening in USA, that there is a problem at the border, that the pullout from Afghanistan was messy and problematic and that Biden sometimes makes gaffes.

I don't see evidence of that

 

[BPPLEE]

None of what you claim is real. Who has ever claimed Biden hasn't made gaffes his entire political life? There was no good way to leave Afghanistan but staying was no longer an option (that deal was worked out by the previous guy). No one has said there is no border problem, but MAGA guys claim that Biden knocked down the wall rather than extending it and that Biden has removed all border checks. Who has said there is no inflation? You are just making this stuff up.

And you are making excuses. You didn't seem to think Stevil made anything up

 

[essentialsaltes]

Try something that isn't meant as a flame.

Maybe Proud Boy and/or Oath Keeper. Like the ones being tried for seditious conspiracy.

 

[stevil]

I don't see evidence of that

Take the MAGA goggles off. Talk to people. Ask them if USA is having inflation. They will agree but probably will also point out the pretty much the whole world is experiencing inflation.
Ask them if there are problems at the border. Ask them if Biden sometime does gaffes in public speeches.
See what they respond with.

 

[stevil]

And yet, in biden's prime time speech last night he didn't make a single mention about inflation, or the border, or faulty pullout from Afghanistan. Also, nothing about the Fentanyl crisis (mostly from Mexico and China) that has killed tens of thousands of Americans.

He also didn't talk about the price of fish, or that Megadeth have recently released a new album, or that it is raining in Wellington right now.

It almost seems that Biden had a specific topic that he wanted to talk about.

 

[Pommer]

It almost seems that Biden had a specific topic that he wanted to talk about.

How dare he!?

 

[stevil]

If they wanted to avoid the appearance that the DOJ and the FBI had been politicized they could have issued a subpoena and continued talks. Even if this is 100% above board and about enforcing the law it has all the appearance of a political hit job.

What did Bill Barr say about all this.

 

[BPPLEE]

Take the MAGA goggles off. Talk to people. Ask them if USA is having inflation. They will agree but probably will also point out the pretty much the whole world is experiencing inflation.
Ask them if there are problems at the border. Ask them if Biden sometime does gaffes in public speeches.
See what they respond with.

But Biden said there was Zero inflation in July. The border? Illegal immigrants are good for the economy and a net benefit for the country. Didn't Biden say Border Patrol whipped illegal immigrants and he was going to punish them? How many service members died in Afghanistan? How many people left behind? Biden making gaffes? His staff explain what he really meant

 

[BPPLEE]

What did Bill Barr say about all this.

You mean that guy that was in the tank for Trump, wouldn't prosecute him, covered up Russian collusion? Now you like him?

 

[stevil]

But Biden said

I thought you were talking about a Biden Blinder that his supporters have.
Shouldn't we then be interested in what his supporters are saying?

 

[stevil]

You mean that guy that was in the tank for Trump, wouldn't prosecute him, covered up Russian collusion? Now you like him?

Did I say that I like him?