fallout from roe vs wade

[mama2one]

(already has a bunch of kids).

why keep having kid after kid when one could adopt a child that needs a home?

 

[Ken-1122]

nope... 5% is nothing

It's a lot when compared to 2%!

do you even know any Christians with adopted children?

100% of the people I know who were adopted were adopted by Christians.

 

[mama2one]

100% of the people I know who were adopted were adopted by Christians.

two or three people?

I've been a part of the adoption community for over 10 yrs & I still don't "know closely" that many adopted people cause there aren't that many around in any one community

 

[Ken-1122]

two or three people?

My personal experiences is irrelevant, and I have no way to prove it to you anyway.

I've been a part of the adoption community for over 10 yrs & I still don't "know closely" that many adopted people cause there aren't that many around in any one community

I don't care! The data shows that while only 2% of all Americans have adopted, 5% of practicing Christians have adopted. So if you are gonna look at this data and claim it is the Christians who need to step up, I will suggest perhaps you’ve got things a little backwards

 

[mama2one]

reread the OP:
"the problem is SO many Christians wanted roe vs wade overturned yet these same Christians NEVER step up....only 5% of Christians have adopted children"

yes, Christians DO need to step up!
95% of Christians haven't adopted a child



Exodus 22
You shall not mistreat any widow or fatherless child. If you do mistreat them, and they cry out to me, I will surely hear their cry, and my wrath will burn

there are many children waiting in orphanages & foster care for families.....they wait & wait & wait

 

[Ken-1122]

reread the OP:
"the problem is SO many Christians wanted roe vs wade overturned yet these same Christians NEVER step up....only 5% of Christians have adopted children"

yes, Christians DO need to step up!
95% of Christians haven't adopted a child



Exodus 22
You shall not mistreat any widow or fatherless child. If you do mistreat them, and they cry out to me, I will surely hear their cry, and my wrath will burn

there are many children waiting in orphanages & foster care for families.....they wait & wait & wait

In a country of 360,000,000 people, 70% identify as Christian. If you do the math, that is approx 250,000,000. So you are saying all 250,000,000 should be adopting children? How many children do you think are up for adoption? And what percentage of the 250,000,000 wanted Roe vs Wade overturned? And what percentage of non-Christian Americans wanted it overturned? What percentage of children in the foster care system are there as a direct result of unwanted pregnancies? To be pro-life does not make you morally obligated to adopt.

 

[jayem]

I think adoption should be promoted & heavily promoted for such families
we had a local Pastor who promoted adoption & one hundred families from the church stepped up to adopt

the problem is SO many Christians wanted roe vs wade overturned yet these same Christians NEVER step up
only 5% of Christians have adopted children

come on Christians step up and act
look into adopting a child!

I posted this a few months ago. It’s a way to possibly reduce abortion, and increase the number of babies available for adoption:

This is a spin-off on the ectopic pregnancy abortion thread in the News/Current Events forum. I can understand that many people strongly oppose elective abortion, and want the procedure stopped. They see it as murder. And most always, they support the stick approach--highly restrictive and punitive laws. But is this really the only way? Why not also apply the carrot? Which is to reward childbirth. A while back, I posted an idea to incentivize adoption. And what better incentive than cash? Consider this:

There over 250,000,000 adults in the US. Wouldn't at least 10% be committed pro-lifers and able to donate to a non-profit charitable fund to reduce abortions? If 25,000,000 people each gave $100 (only $8.33 a month. And tax deductible.) that would raise $2.5 billion. (Corporate donations could raise this significantly. But I'll be conservative with my estimates.) It would likely take a year or so to ramp up the initial funding. 25% is a typical amount taken off the top by legitimate charities for admin, employee salaries, fund raising, and other housekeeping expenses. There would be $1.875 billion available. Keeping 47% in reserve, leaves $1 billion. This could pay 100,000 women $10,000 each not to terminate her pregnancy. All she has to do is submit a birth certificate proving she gave birth to a child—let’s say up to 9 months old. And documentation that she irrevocably surrendered the child to a legitimate adoption agency. The check is made out to her. If there’s a father (husband or boyfriend) in the picture, the couple works out how to divide the money themselves.

For years, there’s been a shortage of adoptable children—babies especially. (And—I hate to say it—particularly white babies.) Something like this adoption fund could be a win/win. A woman gets a cash nest egg she can use however she likes (hopefully to help her existing family or better her education.) And people who really want children get the greatest gift of their lives.

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

-it's said that the reversal falls heavily on poor people who will now have children they can ill avoid to have & families will fall deeper into poverty
please don't say well they should know better/not have more kids cause it doesn't work that way
I think adoption should be promoted & heavily promoted for such families
we had a local Pastor who promoted adoption & one hundred families from the church stepped up to adopt
the problem is SO many Christians wanted roe vs wade overturned yet these same Christians NEVER step up
only 5% of Christians have adopted children
come on Christians step up and act
look into adopting a child!

I watched a video of some doctor claiming that adopted babies grow up with the memory of a "rejection" from their parents. It aparently gave people problems in later life.

Anyone else know about adoption causing problems later in life?

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

People who can't afford to take care of a child or another one shouldn't have them.

I've been working since graduating school. Never been out of employment. I can't afford to a child. Shame really as I wanted a family, house, children by now (20 years later).

I wonder how many people can't afford children??

 

[Skye1300]

I watched a video of some doctor claiming that adopted babies grow up with the memory of a "rejection" from their parents. It aparently gave people problems in later life.

Anyone else know about adoption causing problems later in life?

I think that happens if they tell the children they are adopted when they are too young to fully understand it, or the person telling them didn't tell them the right way and made it seem like a rejection.

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

I think that happens if they tell the children they are adopted when they are too young to fully understand it, or the person telling them didn't tell them the right way and made it seem like a rejection.

Maybe. The video I watched was specific about the memory of a baby (before words). So it wasn’t about telling at the wrong time or telling the wrong way - it was that an adoption happened.

but maybe the doctor discussing it was wrong ??

 

[BPPLEE]

I watched a video of some doctor claiming that adopted babies grow up with the memory of a "rejection" from their parents. It aparently gave people problems in later life.

Anyone else know about adoption causing problems later in life?

So are they saying it would have been better for those children to have never been born than to find out that they were adopted?

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

So are they saying it would have been better for those children to have never been born than to find out that they were adopted?

No. Why’s that??

They say that there is a memory that exists that even babies have - and when an adoption happens - it can cause problems later in life for the baby.

 

[mama2one]

Anyone else know about adoption causing problems later in life?

adopted children need an "extra layer of parenting"
some if not most adopted children will need counseling to deal with trauma

it's important to take classes/workshops before adopting

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

my child doesn't know who her birthparents were & we mostly likely will never find them
the trauma of not knowing birthparents/lack of identity is very real

I have attended workshops re trauma

have heard that trauma can exist even before a child is born
so yes, adopted children need an "extra layer of parenting" & some if nor most adopted children will need counseling to deal with trauma and/or neglect

Yeah I hadn’t realised it could make a difference if not taken into account.

I wonder if acceptance of a broader identity (all children under one God who is our Father) might help ??

that makes the whole human race a family. I’m not saying that knowledge could take away all the upset - but I wonder if it would help restore familial connection a little??

 

[mama2one]

I wonder if acceptance of a broader identity (all children under one God who is our Father) might help ??

no it doesn't help

there is a huge unknown not knowing who one's parents were, what they looked like, what made you who you are physically & otherwise, and knowing that you'll never know

yes, I'm the mom who adopted but I can never take the place of the birth mom

it's a HUGE hole that will never be filled, ever
it's a lifelong emptiness not knowing, the loss is huge

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

no it doesn't help

think of starting to read a book halfway through
you do not get to read any of the beginning of the book

there is a huge unknown not knowing who one's parents were, what they looked like, what made you who you are physically & otherwise, and knowing that you'll never know

my kid said to me not too long ago "you are not my mom & never will be"

yes, I'm the mom who adopted but I can never take the place of the birth mom

my child has a lot of sadness & anger with no knowledge of birthparents
it's a HUGE hole that will never be filled, ever
it's a lifelong emptiness not knowing, the loss is huge

I thought that too about my father.

my concept of fatherhood changed overtime, my views of what’s an important part of identity changed too.

A relationship grew between my father and I that has actually superseded the place of birth father (I didn’t think it was possible for a man to love a child that isn’t his birth child the same as his own. I was wrong - he can, and the father son bond between he and I is stronger than birth)

 

[Desk trauma]

So are they saying it would have been better for those children to have never been born than to find out that they were adopted?

How could the two be compared? How does one measure experience against nonexistence?

 

[Ken-1122]

Consider this:

There over 250,000,000 adults in the US. Wouldn't at least 10% be committed pro-lifers and able to donate to a non-profit charitable fund to reduce abortions? If 25,000,000 people each gave $100 (only $8.33 a month. And tax deductible.) that would raise $2.5 billion. (Corporate donations could raise this significantly. But I'll be conservative with my estimates.) It would likely take a year or so to ramp up the initial funding. 25% is a typical amount taken off the top by legitimate charities for admin, employee salaries, fund raising, and other housekeeping expenses. There would be $1.875 billion available. Keeping 47% in reserve, leaves $1 billion. This could pay 100,000 women $10,000 each not to terminate her pregnancy.

Wouldn't that result in a bunch of rachid women purposely having babies, and putting them up for adoption just to get the money?

 

[BPPLEE]

Wouldn't that result in a bunch of rachid women purposely having babies, and putting them up for adoption just to get the money?

We already have a system like that except that the women keep their babies and the government gives them a check. It's called AFDC