fallout from roe vs wade

[BPPLEE]

Again, this is right-wing propaganda, straight out of the Republican playbook.

No this is straight out of my own experience. Look up AFDC, SSI Disability, EBT and Section Eight. It's a way of life for some people.

 

[NxNW]

No this is straight out of my own experience. Look up AFDC, SSI Disability, EBT and Section Eight. It's a way of life for some people.

I am familiar with all these, but your anecdotes do not qualify as data. SSI Disability has pretty strict requirements. There are limits to the amount of benefits you receive, and nobody's getting rich off any of it. The claim that the more kids you have, the more checks you receive is false, again, because there are limits.

 

[BPPLEE]

I am familiar with all these, but your anecdotes do not qualify as data. SSI Disability has pretty strict requirements. There are limits to the amount of benefits you receive, and nobody's getting rich off any of it. The claim that the more kids you have, the more checks you receive is false, again, because there are limits.

Comparing the New (TANF) with the Old (AFDC) | Encyclopedia.com

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

why keep having kid after kid when one could adopt a child that needs a home?

That's an unanswerable question; everyone would have a different reason.

 

[mama2one]

That's an unanswerable question; everyone would have a different reason.

a lot of the kids are unplanned

my parents last two kids- unplanned
my sister's last kid 10 yrs after others- unplanned
MIL's last kid 18 yrs after first two- unplanned & huge surprise/shock
neighbor had a child in her 20s & then an unplanned one when she was 40

 

[Skye1300]

a lot of the kids are unplanned

my parents last two kids- unplanned
my sister's last kid 10 yrs after others- unplanned
MIL's last kid 18 yrs after first two- unplanned & huge surprise/shock
neighbor had a child in her 20s & then an unplanned one when she was 40

I was unplanned too. A complete surprise to my mom. LOL

 

[RileyG]

it's wrong to kill a child. nothing makes that ok. period.

 

[rjs330]

good luck with that!
in our neighborhood alone, 2 parents had their unwed adult pregnant daughters move back home until they got their lives together

AND a local Pastor got his girlfriend pregnant
he had to give up being Pastor
they did marry before the baby arrived

if a Pastor can't set a good example, who can?

That is true and being a Christian does not guarantee perfection as we all know. There is often a misnomer from people thinking that just because Christian teach Righteousness and holiness that somehow they should live perfect lives.

But those that do believe that haven't read the Bible much or paid much attention. Christian fail and sin too. Paul the apostle says that while at the same time preaching against sin and for righteousness. The difference is as Christians we have forgiveness in Christ AND do not HAVE to live in sin and do not live in sin. We are saved not because of our own righteousness but Christs in us. He is the hope of glory not ourselves. We work to live our best, but sometimes do fail big.

When we do we still suffer the consequences for our failures and the church does have to discipline us at times. But thank God there is forgiveness for us even when we do.

 

[rjs330]

Lets not be naive. Being gainfully employed is better than no job. If you are not gainfully employed then it does not count as a job. In modern society there are homeless people that have jobs. That is not acceptable. If a job does not even mean escape from.poverty enough to have a roof over your head. It defeats the purpose.

Yoy are still missing the point. If you are married and broke and have an unplanned child then what is the difference between being unwed and broke? Marriage does not mean money comes from heaven to take care of everything.

It's interesting to note that married people with kids make more than married couples without kids.

Median Household Income by Household Type - Women in the States

Only between 5-10% of homeless have full time jobs. The one thing that many miss when talking about homelessness of able bodied people is that the only way OUT of homelessness is a full time job. And if you are homeless with a full time job you don't stay homeless.

Don't get me wrong homelessness is not good and we need shelters and areas for the homeless to get shelter.

This is the last I'm going to post on this cause I don't want to turn this into a homeless thread.

 

[rjs330]

There are situation where abortion is a necessary option. If the child is a product of sexual assault or the baby is not viable or it presents a fatal outcome to the mother. In those cases I won't fault the mother for exercising the option. No two circumstances are identical.

But I share your sentiment when it comes to abortion from hedonistic lifestyle choices. It is punishing the baby for what is clearly the mother's own irresponsibility and inability for self-restraint.

Well the misnomer is that abortion has just become illegal. Not true. The whole uproar is just dumb. Abortion is still available in every state. Sure there are more restrictions in some than others, but danger to the mother is still an exception and in many states rape is still an exception. The hysteria is quite simply ridiculous.

Just about every state had restrictions before Roe v Wade.

 

[rjs330]

Of course, but my reply was intended for @BravoM , who believes by adhering to a certain set of principles one can avoid poverty.
Sending a child up for adoption does not fix poverty. What solutions do you have to get (married) couples out of poverty so they can take care of their kids that doesn't involve giving their child away to someone else or murdering their child in the womb? Now, we know the bible says that God provides for all our needs according to His riches and glory through Jesus Christ (Phil 4:19)? But will He provide needs to prevent divorces or families losing their children? Is abortion a lack of faith in Phil 4:19?

We will never eliminate poverty. The Bible tells us this. It's an extreme rarity for married couples to be in poverty. It's really poor excuse to try and use this as an issue regarding aborting a child rather than keeping it.

 

[rjs330]

Well a couple can bring in 2 paychecks. I don't see why two people working 40-50 hrs a week even at minimum wage can't save up enough money to get out of poverty. They just have to not live above their means and sacrifice a little to save up.

The other thing is no couple works at minimum wage anymore. That's a fallacy by the left who wants to promote abortions.

 

[rjs330]

Sex is more than pleasure or reproduction, it is also a very integral component for pair bonding. Romantic relationships, kept celibate, are highly likely to wither and die.

That's why you get married. Romantic relationships can be really good and will not either and die if the couple is willing to go the distance and get married. Your whole point is to give in to lust and have sex which is not a guarantee that you will stay together. In fact it is often the reason why people stay together when they shouldn't.

 

[Juan777]

We will never eliminate poverty. The Bible tells us this. It's an extreme rarity for married couples to be in poverty. It's really poor excuse to try and use this as an issue regarding aborting a child rather than keeping it.

Then I was part of that rarity.

 

[mama2one]

Income and Poverty in the United States: 2020


"Between 2019 and 2020, poverty rates increased for married-couple families and families with a female householder. The poverty rate for married-couple families increased from 4.0 percent in 2019 to 4.7 percent in 2020. For families with a female householder, the poverty rate increased from 22.2 percent to 23.4 percent. The poverty rate for families with a male householder was 11.4 percent in 2020"

 

[comana]

That's why you get married. Romantic relationships can be really good and will not either and die if the couple is willing to go the distance and get married. Your whole point is to give in to lust and have sex which is not a guarantee that you will stay together. In fact it is often the reason why people stay together when they shouldn't.

Marriage is often a reason people stay together when they shouldn’t. Marriage is also no guarantee of staying together. I don’t believe lust is necessarily bad and certainly strong attraction to and desire for a partner is a plus that contributes to relationship success.

 

[rjs330]

I've been working since graduating school. Never been out of employment. I can't afford to a child. Shame really as I wanted a family, house, children by now (20 years later).

I wonder how many people can't afford children??

I empathize with you. There are a lot of people who can't have kids for various reasons even if they can afford one. It's really tough when you would like one. May I as if you are single or married?

 

[rjs330]

Then I was part of that rarity.

Yes you were. I was too. There was a period in my life where we could barely afford food. So I understand. But that is still a very rare occurrence.

Are you still in that state of poverty which both people working?

 

[mama2one]

@Confused-by-christianity

there are lots of people who can't afford kids but keep having child after child

our communities are asking for school supplies, back packs, clothing right now for those who need assistance

many of our local churches provide free food/clothing
our school district has reduced breakfast/lunch for families at poverty level

 

[rjs330]

Income and Poverty in the United States: 2020


"Between 2019 and 2020, poverty rates increased for married-couple families and families with a female householder. The poverty rate for married-couple families increased from 4.0 percent in 2019 to 4.7 percent in 2020. For families with a female householder, the poverty rate increased from 22.2 percent to 23.4 percent. The poverty rate for families with a male householder was 11.4 percent in 2020"

This is proof of what I'm saying. It's rare for two parent houses to live in poverty. I wonder how many of that 4% is two parents working full time?

Single parent families are significantly more likely to live in poverty. I'd like to know how many of them are single in poverty because of a divorce or death of the spouse and how many were never married.