Faith: How does a person get it

[All Glory To God]

Are those answers unclear in any way? They are very direct answers to my eye, but perhaps there is some unclear wording?

So basically you don't know:


As Christ explained (to us all!) in Mark chapter 4, the Word is the seed, that sprouts into faith. ( I suggest to read the full chapter)

As He tells us in this chapter, we don't know how and when the seed grows. That part isn't at all from us. But the seed, the Word, is the necessary thing. When Christ went in spirit and made proclamation to the spirits in prison (1rst Peter chapter 3), they could hear the Word, if they were willing, these in 'prison' who had already passed from this mortal world.


Your first post and following posts gives no direct instructions how to obtain faith in Christ. No nothing unclear it is perfectly clear just took a long time to flush it out. Thanks.

 

[Halbhh]

So basically you don't know:


As Christ explained (to us all!) in Mark chapter 4, the Word is the seed, that sprouts into faith. ( I suggest to read the full chapter)

As He tells us in this chapter, we don't know how and when the seed grows. That part isn't at all from us. But the seed, the Word, is the necessary thing. When Christ went in spirit and made proclamation to the spirits in prison (1rst Peter chapter 3), they could hear the Word, if they were willing, these in 'prison' who had already passed from this mortal world.


Your first post and following posts gives no direct instructions how to obtain faith in Christ. No nothing unclear it is perfectly clear just took a long time to flush it out. Thanks.

While I can't see how my actual answers (the full ones, more than quoted) are unclear, I can paraphrase them anyway!

"1) -- They and all innocents that die we can expect (from scripture) are under the Grace of God, and will see eternal Life!"

Paraphrase
-- the children/babies that have died will live forever with our Lord!

"2) -- Regarding needing to hear the gospel for those old enough to be accountable for their wrongs (old enough to know they are doing wrongs) --

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20 because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared...
1 Peter 3 ESV

The Word is the seed, and we read here He has brought the Word to the spirits in prison! That's mercy and grace!"

Paraphrase -- Everyone not already saved and that never heard the gospel it appears in this passage may get a chance to hear the gospel! This suggests that the answer to this deep question is that the gospel is indeed the only real way for those that are accountable. Then it would follow that only Christ is the way, and there isn't another way. You don't have to understand all the complexities about this though to be saved. Instead, you have to believe on Christ Jesus and follow Him.

 

[Bruce Leiter]

I wouldn't say that. I believed those verses but wasn't saved by that. I believe I was saved when I received the Holy Spirit. Without it we are none of His according to Romans 8:9.

You refer to the Holy Spirit as "it." He is the third Person of God along with the Father and Jesus, as John describes in his gospel. Read the whole book to get the whole picture about who God is.

 

[Jord Simcha]

You refer to the Holy Spirit as "it." He is the third Person of God along with the Father and Jesus, as John describes in his gospel. Read the whole book to get the whole picture about who God is.

Yeah, I use Him sometimes too, but it feels a bit weird tbh. I apologize if it offended you.

 

[Bruce Leiter]

The Bible says unless a person believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and saviour they are separated from God.

How exactly does this faith in Christ come about, from scripture. "Soul winners" will knock on people's door or go out street preaching the message "believe in Jesus" and I agree faith is needed. The question is: How do we do that? Specifically how can a lost person get faith in Jesus?

Study Ephesians 2:1-10 to get the full picture of God's process of giving us the new birth and faith.

 

[Jason0009]

Did your repentance come from God or from you? The follow up question will be to ask you,where in the Bible does it show us how to repent.

It definitely came from God. The bible teaches all of us fallen sinners to repent.

 

[Scottish Highlander]

I believe when a person is born again that is a miracle but for different reasons. I don't think human creation can just snap out of their sinful ways and choose the most Holy God,it takes a miracle from God to give a new heart to the person being saved,no they do not choose God and the love for him only follows after they are saved as he loved us first and the flesh only loves sin,it is in bondage to it.

I'll wait for God then. My heart has not changed yet. I have changed it thus far but he must help me.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

The Bible says unless a person believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and saviour they are separated from God.

How exactly does this faith in Christ come about, from scripture. "Soul winners" will knock on people's door or go out street preaching the message "believe in Jesus" and I agree faith is needed. The question is: How do we do that? Specifically how can a lost person get faith in Jesus?

The bible says:

Rom 10:17 So faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

There are many ways that a person can come to Christ. I heard the message of Jesus many times, but it was not until I had a dream about hell that I made a choice to follow Jesus.

I know of other people, to whom God has spoken directly into their minds, saying "The bible is truth believe it".

I know of another family who was watching TV, and God spoke to one of them saying "go to church".

Others have been healed by Jesus, one Muslim man was dying in hospital and Jesus came to him, and healed him, he after this encounter became a Christain.

Some hear preaching, and feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit, and turn to God.

Others have been in the process of dying, and God has spoken to them directly, reviving them.

Regardless of how faith comes, it is initiated by an action of God, speaking, acting, or us hearing HIs words.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The Bible says unless a person believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and saviour they are separated from God.

How exactly does this faith in Christ come about, from scripture. "Soul winners" will knock on people's door or go out street preaching the message "believe in Jesus" and I agree faith is needed. The question is: How do we do that? Specifically how can a lost person get faith in Jesus?

If you have faith problems, work on your trust issues and apply it to your relationship with the Lord.

also, if you find yourself in an assembly that uses the key phrase "eternal separation from God" you might want to run, since the spiritual ambiance is the opposite of faith.

 

[EddieStormX]

Ok Eddie what is ''the truth'' that when you see it you get faith?

It is only in love & murder that people still remain sincere.
Life begins with murder.
Murder is born of love.

 

[fwGod]

The Bible says unless a person believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and saviour they are separated from God.

Savior first, Lord second.

How exactly does this faith in Christ come about, from scripture. "Soul winners" will knock on people's door or go out street preaching the message "believe in Jesus" and I agree faith is needed. The question is: How do we do that? Specifically how can a lost person get faith in Jesus?

Romans 10: 17 Faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Romans 10: 12-15
12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!

Romans 10:10 Believe in your heart and make confession with your mouth unto salvation. For with the heart man believes and with the mouth makes a profession of faith.

Acts 8:35 {37} 38
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him.
36 As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?”
37 And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
38 And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him.

 

[Halbhh]

I'll wait for God then. My heart has not changed yet. I have changed it thus far but he must help me.

For me this happened through truly listening to the Words of Christ in the gospels, and then doing as He said to do (and now I know why from John - 10:27), including in time praying as He said to pray (the ways Christ said, instead of the ways people had done I'd seen).

 

[All Glory To God]

Study Ephesians 2:1-10 to get the full picture of God's process of giving us the new birth and faith.

Brucy I don't think you understand the OP question.

The lost need to know how to obtain faith in Christ,your answer is to get them to study Ephesians 2?

 

[All Glory To God]

It definitely came from God. The bible teaches all of us fallen sinners to repent.

So if it come from God then you didn't do it. Correct?

 

[All Glory To God]

The bible says:

Rom 10:17 So faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

There are many ways that a person can come to Christ. I heard the message of Jesus many times, but it was not until I had a dream about hell that I made a choice to follow Jesus.

I know of other people, to whom God has spoken directly into their minds, saying "The bible is truth believe it".

I know of another family who was watching TV, and God spoke to one of them saying "go to church".

Others have been healed by Jesus, one Muslim man was dying in hospital and Jesus came to him, and healed him, he after this encounter became a Christain.

Some hear preaching, and feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit, and turn to God.

Others have been in the process of dying, and God has spoken to them directly, reviving them.

Regardless of how faith comes, it is initiated by an action of God, speaking, acting, or us hearing HIs words.

See here's the thing,saying people are granted faith via personal Revelation from God undermines the principle of Romans 10:17 because it is understood the hearing here is literal preaching. Most of these examples you offer are not hearing an Evangelist,so if the driving force behind their conversion is not a preacher but these things mentioned lead them onto faith in Christ it is not the Gospel message that saved them,it is the saving grace of God only.

 

[All Glory To God]

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Paraphrase -- Everyone not already saved and that never heard the gospel it appears in this passage may get a chance to hear the gospel! This suggests that the answer to this deep question is that the gospel is indeed the only real way for those that are accountable. Then it would follow that only Christ is the way, and there isn't another way. You don't have to understand all the complexities about this though to be saved. Instead, you have to believe on Christ Jesus and follow Him.

See now we are getting close to the purpose of this thread.

If people hold a view that a person must have faith in Christ to be saved,and they also believe that human responsibility is required for this salvation to be accomplished,the advocates should be able to demonstrate in detail from scripture how the human role is played out. If not I would say there is no part for human creation to play in salvation and God alone is responsible for that duty.

 

[All Glory To God]

If you have faith problems, work on your trust issues and apply it to your relationship with the Lord.

also, if you find yourself in an assembly that uses the key phrase "eternal separation from God" you might want to run, since the spiritual ambiance is the opposite of faith.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[All Glory To God]

Savior first, Lord second.

Romans 10: 17 Faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Romans 10: 12-15
12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!

Romans 10:10 Believe in your heart and make confession with your mouth unto salvation. For with the heart man believes and with the mouth makes a profession of faith.

Acts 8:35 {37} 38
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him.
36 As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?”
37 And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
38 And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him.

Romans 10:10 Believe in your heart and make confession with your mouth unto salvation. For with the heart man believes and with the mouth makes a profession of faith.

And how do you believe with all your heart?

 

[All Glory To God]

It is only in love & murder that people still remain sincere.
Life begins with murder.
Murder is born of love.

Eddie that's a strange reply not sure if it was just me that see it that way.

 

[fwGod]

Romans 10:10 Believe in your heart and make confession with your mouth unto salvation. For with the heart man believes and with the mouth makes a profession of faith.

And how do you believe with all your heart?

Perhaps online sources would be best: how do you believe with all of your heart - Bing