Faith: How does a person get it

[Dave L]

What makes you say faith



The way you are framing faith is that it's an offshoot of Love. I would say it is independent and not built off love but part of the whole born again transformation.

Philippians 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake

“For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but faith which worketh by love.” Galatians 5:6 (NCPB)

You cannot have faith without love.

 

[All Glory To God]

What the Gospel? I didn't know what it was. As I shared already, I read the Gospel of John (multiple times) and was saved. I took Jesus at his word. As he said they "are spirit and they are life". Sure my experience is different.

Ro 10:18 is referring to general revelation. General revelation drew me to God, but the Gospel of John made everything clear. General revelation is not what you OP is about. You could start another thread for that. Same for the unborn.

Why would I start two new threads? All I did was added one verse to the scripture you quoted. Are you not able to handle that?

 

[All Glory To God]

“For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but faith which worketh by love.” Galatians 5:6 (NCPB)

You cannot have faith without love.

Are faith and love the same thing?

 

[fhansen]

The Bible says unless a person believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and saviour they are separated from God.

How exactly does this faith in Christ come about, from scripture. "Soul winners" will knock on people's door or go out street preaching the message "believe in Jesus" and I agree faith is needed. The question is: How do we do that? Specifically how can a lost person get faith in Jesus?

Faith is based on knowledge, the "knowledge of God" referred to in Scripture, the knowledge that Jesus came to reveal when the time was ripe: the true and complete "face" of God. So that by knowing Him we may come to believe in Him, and by believing in Him we may enter a fellowship or communion which consists also in hoping in, and, most importantly, loving Him.

We believe because this God, demonstrated by everything Jesus said and did from the beginning of his life on earth through His passion, death, and resurrection is proven to exist, first of all, and to be incomparably trustworthy, good, merciful: to have an uncompromising love for mankind. Jesus gives us something to believe in. And grace then enables that faith to actually take root and express itself as we come to accept and embrace that gift, even if only weakly at first. This direct and intimate knowledge that begins in this life and is to be fully realized in the next is referred to in Jer 31:34:
"No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord."

And John 17:3:
"Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

 

[StillGods]

JJ I read through your post and I see nowhere in any of that scripture or even close that it gives instructions to or for a non-believer to get faith in Christ. Being an evangelist and giving the lost a Commandment to have faith in Christ without details how to do it is worthless.

when Jesus is lifted high people are drawn to Him
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God

 

[StillGods]

believe

 

[All Glory To God]

believe

How?

 

[ViaCrucis]

The thing that confuses me about Lutheranism is it claims to be monergistic but at the same time shows sighs of God working in partnership with human creation. Like sacraments,this leads onto ''coopering'' with Gods will,therefore it is not monergistic. I will have to confess I am not too familiar with Lutheranism but it is complicated.

The obvious question is then how would a person have faith in Christ to do the sacraments to begin with?

The Sacraments aren't things we do for God, but what God does for us--they are monergistic, God's work. So we don't "do the Sacraments", God does.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[StillGods]

How?

by hearing about God from other people or creations witness.

when Jesus is lifted high people are drawn to Him
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
For men are without excuse...Rom 1:20

For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God

 

[All Glory To God]

Faith is based on knowledge, the "knowledge of God" referred to in Scripture, the knowledge that Jesus came to reveal when the time was ripe: the true and complete "face" of God. So that by knowing Him we may come to believe in Him, and by believing in Him we may enter a fellowship or communion which consists also in hoping in, and, most importantly, loving Him.

We believe because this God, demonstrated by everything Jesus said and did from the beginning of his life on earth through His passion, death, and resurrection is proven to be incomparably trustworthy, good, merciful: to have an uncompromising love for mankind. Jesus gives us something to believe in. And grace then enables that faith to actually take root and express itself as we come to accept and embrace that gift, even if only weakly at first. This direct and intimate knowledge that begins in this life and is to be fully realized in the next is referred to in Jer 31:34:
"No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord."

And John 17:3:
"Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

Well you are saying faith comes by knowledge, then go onto quote a part of the famous new covenant in Jeremiah

"Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”


Gods law is written on the believers heart, why do they need to accumulate knowledge?

 

[All Glory To God]

The Sacraments aren't things we do for God, but what God does for us--they are monergistic, God's work. So we don't "do the Sacraments", God does.

-CryptoLutheran

Oh, perhaps it would have been proper if one had said performed a sacrement?

 

[lsume]

So a person can just walk to Christ and start obeying? What about if they are tied up and can't move?


John8:38
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin.





An act of mercy from God?

The Truth is that The GodHead Is very Real. As of right now, maybe you don’t absolutely know this. Your obedience without understanding is of great value. When you do See and Hear The Truth, then you will understand like everyone must understand in time.

 

[All Glory To God]

by hearing about God from other people or creations witness.

when Jesus is lifted high people are drawn to Him
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
For men are without excuse...Rom 1:20

For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God

If faith come by hearing the word what happens to unborn people who die in the womb?

 

[StillGods]

[QUOTE="All Glory To God, post: 75297887,
Gods law is written on the believers heart, why do they need to accumulate knowledge?[/QUOTE]

To get to know the Saviour more, and know what brings Him Glory and Honour. It is a relationship, getting to know Him takes time and learning about Him and His ways. God knows us completely, we have much to learn and know about Him.

 

[All Glory To God]

The Truth is that The GodHead Is very Real. As of right now, maybe you don’t absolutely know this. Your obedience without understanding is of great value. When you do See and Hear The Truth, then you will understand like everyone must understand in time.

Let's take a moment to give God the glory.

Our heavenly father is older,wiser,stronger, more loving then us and some day we will all meet him. Hopefully on good terms but the only person who has perfect knowledge in this existence is almighty God and whatever decisions he makes will be the correct one.

Praise the Lord!

 

[ChristServant]

Yeah that's true and sometimes it is the other way round. We are told very simply to believe in Jesus and it is up to us to do it,when I started to examine the scripture for these instructions so I could help others follow Jesus,they are not there. Not in learnable detail. Why is that?

We are just the messengers of GOD's word, we give an understanding of the process, we do not put flesh on the bones of the process. When we evangelize we need to open people up to knowing who GOD is and HIS word which is truth. We are too make people aware of their sins they have committed against GOD, how bad they are, too HIM and the Righteous Judgement to come.

We are to make them aware that if they die in their sins they will end up in hell. We need to let them know that a price has to be paid for their sins as GOD cannot let people off their sins because HE is Righteous. Then we let them Know all about Christ. Why he came down to earth and what He did for those sins, we committed. We need to let them know salvation only comes through Christ no other and that His sacrifice for our sins is enough but only if we repent of our sins, put sin behind us and put all our faith in Christ for our salvation.

Hope this helps.

Peace be with all those in the body of Christ

God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth

Truly we are hear to serve and not to be served

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him

 

[ViaCrucis]

Oh, perhaps it would have been proper if one had said performed a sacrement?

Receive. We receive the Sacraments, passively.

We receive Baptism, we don't do or "perform" Baptism.
We receive the Eucharist, we don't do or "perform" the Eucharist.

Just as we receive the word, we don't "perform" the Gospel.

And this receiving, again, is passive. We are passive recipients.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[StillGods]

If faith come by hearing the word what happens to unborn people who die in the womb?

I believe in a Merciful and Compassionate God, that those who die in the womb go to be with Him who created them.
i believe we are accountable for what we know in a sense, and for what we have and have not done. God knows each one of us and when we become aware of Him in creations testimony and how we respond to what we hear about Him as we grow and go through life.
Proverbs tells us even a child is known by the fruit of his life how he behaves.
I believe there is a time where a child does become accountable, and only God knows when that is for each of us. A baby in the womb I do not believe would have reached that point.

 

[All Glory To God]

We are just the messengers of GOD's word, we give an understanding of the process, we do not put flesh on the bones of the process. When we evangelize we need to open people up to knowing who GOD is and HIS word which is truth. We are too make people aware of their sins they have committed against GOD, how bad they are, too HIM and the Righteous Judgement to come.

We are to make them aware that if they die in their sins they will end up in hell. We need to let them know that a price has to be paid for their sins as GOD cannot let people off their sins because HE is Righteous. Then we let them Know all about Christ. Why he came down to earth and what He did for those sins, we committed. We need to let them know salvation only comes through Christ no other and that His sacrifice for our sins is enough but only if we repent of our sins, put sin behind us and put all our faith in Christ for our salvation.

Hope this helps.

Peace be with all those in the body of Christ

God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth

Truly we are hear to serve and not to be served

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him

Alright man,thanks for the friendly input throughout this thread.

 

[All Glory To God]

Receive. We receive the Sacraments, passively.

We receive Baptism, we don't do or "perform" Baptism.
We receive the Eucharist, we don't do or "perform" the Eucharist.

Just as we receive the word, we don't "perform" the Gospel.

And this receiving, again, is passive. We are passive recipients.

-CryptoLutheran

Could you quote us scripture where it states a sacrament is needed to obtain faith in Christ?