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Ezekiel's Millenial Temple That Jesus Will Build

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Guide To The Bible, Feb 14, 2017.

  1. brinny

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    He already does.

    That would be the new heaven and the new earth. Therefore what would be the purpose of a 1,000 year reign?

    Jesus' reign is "eternal". It is not of this world. His Kingdom is not "flawed". It's perfect, just as He is.

    Are you saying that it's been Jesus' heart's desire to reign over this flawed, dying, and cursed world?

    And for a temporal 1,000 years that "ends"

    What would be the purpose of this "reign" from the gitgo?
     
  2. SeventyOne

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    What I'm saying is this is the scenario the scriptures promise and describe in great detail. I really don't understand the objection to it. It's not like it's your kingdom. If He's good with it, I'm good with it.

    Whatever happens afterwards, we really aren't told.
     
  3. brinny

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    As stated in Post #61, He already DOES have a Kingdom.

    Doesn't He?
     
  4. SeventyOne

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    What would this have to do with His 1000-year earthly reign?

    Besides, the new heavens and the new earth might actually come at the beginning of that 1000 years. Just as many of the chapters between 4 and 19 overlap information, chapters 20 and 21 might do the same thing. Chapter 20 shows us the 1000 years from the point of view of the judgment on evil, culminating in many being cast into the lake of fire.

    Meanwhile, chapter 21 is probably part of the same timeframe. We see the Church decending to earth contained within the New Jerusalem. Jesus has told us that He's going to heaven to prepare a place for us in His Father's house. Then in Isaiah 26, we find that we are told to enter into our chambers until His fury has passed over all the earth, then we are to rule here on the earth with Jesus. This is what's happening at the beginning at chapter 21.

    As a second witness, Isaiah 65 tells us of a newly created heavens and earth, a time where the Lord will reside in Jerusalem. Yes, Jerusalem is in the new earth, which likely indicates it's not a full blown new earth, but likely renovated to a pristine condition.

    Also in this new earth are sin and people dying (65:20), even the serpent will continue on its belly and will continue to eat dust (Gen 3:14, Isa 65:25) indicating at least a remenant of the original curse. You wanted a kingdom of sinless and curseless perfection, but even the description of the newheavens and earth doesn't help you there.
     
  5. brinny

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    If Jesus the Christ ALREADY HAS a Kingdom right NOW, what is it He is "ruling over" for those 1,000 years?
     
  6. keras

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    This will happen after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-4
    Read Ezekiel 43:18-27, Ezekiel 45:13-25, Isaiah 56:7, +
    I wasn't there, so I don't know.
     
  7. SeventyOne

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    Did you read any of that? I don't know how many other ways to say it other than ... THE EARTH. And no, He's not reigning over it at the moment.

    I'm afraid we probably can't discuss this any further. I've been answering this same qurestion over and over and in various ways for numerous posts now. We'll just be going in circles. Sorry.
     
  8. brinny

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  9. brinny

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    This is what i asked you:
    Jesus Christ ALREADY HAS a Kingdom. He is NOT searching for another, such as a decaying, dying, cursed earth and those decaying, dying, cursed human beings living on this dissolving earth, that is headed for destruction as surely as if it was on a rushing river, and headed downstream over the edge.

    Jesus Himself said that we will see signs of the end coming.

    And it surely is.

    The signs of this sure destruction is escalating as we speak.
     
  10. LastSeven

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    Doesn't it bother you when you read something in scripture it doesn't seem to make sense? Don't you think God's plan ought to make sense? Doesn't it make you feel like you're missing something?
     
  11. SeventyOne

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    Yup, but there's a difference between something not making sense at all, and something not making sense to me.

    For example, vector calculus doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense in reality. I currently lack the understanding in that area, but to others it's completely clear. It wouldn't make a bit of sense if I were to declare vector calculus as false or inaccurate, just because I don't currently understand it. That would actually an extremely prideful thing for me to do, as if I'm the authority on what truth is.

    Same thing with scripture. I don't currently possess perfect clarity in all areas of scripture. There are things I currently do not understand fully, but I can trust the source and read it knowing it to be true, despite my lack of understanding on some of its points.
     
  12. LastSeven

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    Well then, knowing that you lack understanding on some points, isn't it possible that Ezekiel's temple is entirely symbolic?
     
  13. SeventyOne

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    No. I said I didn't have understanding on some of the details, not that I was a mental marshmallow.
     
  14. keras

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    Zechariah 8:2-23 Again, the word of the Lord came to me; I am very jealous for My holy Land, I am burning with jealousy for her. This is what the Lord says; I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem, it will be called the City of Faithfulness and the Temple mount will be called the Holy Mountain.
    This is what the Lord Almighty says; Once again old people and children will inhabit the streets of Jerusalem. Even if this may seem impossible to the remnant of this nation, will it be impossible for Me?
    I am about to rescue My people from countries in the East and West and bring them back to live in Jerusalem. They will be My people and I shall be their God, in faithfulness and justice.

    These are the words of the Lord of Hosts; Take heart, all you who now hear that the Temple is to be rebuilt as the prophets foretold. Before that time, there was no hiring of man or beast, because of your enemies, for I had set every man against his neighbor. But, I do not feel the same toward the remnant of this people as I did in former days, says the Lord of Hosts. For they will sow in safety, I will give them rain and the Land will yield it’s produce. This is the inheritance of My people. To the nations you, House of Judah and House of Israel, have become as a curse; now I shall save you – you will become proverbial as a blessing. Courage, do not lose heart!
    These are the words of the Lord; Just as I determined to bring disaster on you when your forefathers made Me angry, so I have resolved to do good again to Jerusalem and Judah. Do not be afraid. This is what you must do; speak the truth to each other and administer true justice in your courts. Do not plot evil and do not love perjury, for all these I hate. This is the word of the Lord.
    These are the words of the Lord; Keep the fasts of the 4th, 5th, 7th and 10th months. They will be festivals of joy for Judah. Love truth and peace. In future, nations and peoples will come to Jerusalem to entreat the favor of the Lord. In those days, 10 people from every nation will take hold of a Jew and say; Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.
    Ref; REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.

    ‘I am about to rescue My people…they will be My people and I will be their God’. We know from New Testament teaching, that the Lord’s people are every true Christian person, Jew or Gentile. 1 Peter 2:9-10, Rev 5:9-10, Ezekiel 36:11-16 Now I shall take thought for My sheep…I will rescue them from wherever they are scattered in the Day of cloud and darkness. I shall bring them home, to their own Land and make them prosper. Isaiah 60:4, Jeremiah 31:1-6, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Amos 9:14

    ‘the Day of cloud and darkness’, is the Day of the Lord’s wrath, a CME sunstrike that will de-populate the entire holy Land area, also causing worldwide devastation. Isaiah 30:25-30

    I have set every man against his neighbour’. This is the current situation in the Middle East.
    ‘Courage, do not lose heart’. This proves that we must pass through the terrible testing and trials of the forthcoming Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. A literal Day of fire from the sky, of earthquakes, storm winds and tsunamis. It will be a period of ‘cloud and darkness’, from the smoke and ash clouds that will envelope the earth. Zeph. 1:15, Matt.24:29,Joel 2:1-2

    Peoples will come to Jerusalem to worship the Lord, in the new Temple’. From the context of this quote and from other prophesies, it is clear that this will happen before the Return of Jesus for His Millennial, worldwide reign. Ezekiel 43:4the Shekinah Glory of God will come into the Temple by the East gate. And even though verse 23 mentions a Jew, as one who enjoys the Lord’s favour, we know from verse 13 and many other prophesies that Christians from every nation and language, Isaiah 56:1-8, will become citizens of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, the new nation formed after the judgement/punishment of fire has cleared and cleansed the entire Middle East. Deuteronomy 32:41-43, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 10:18, Amos 1:2-15
     
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  15. LastSeven

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    Oh, so believing the temple is symbolic makes one a mental marshmallow? And believing that Jesus will undo his work at the cross and build a temple as big as an entire city for no known reason and certainly no reason that makes sense to anyone who understands the gospel makes one a ... what exactly?
     
  16. SeventyOne

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    In order for someone to take chapters of detailed info and write it off as 'figurative' just because it's not in line by their current theological understanding, making themselves judge over the scripture, especially with no viable replacement other than "cuz I said so", is the work of someone in marshmallow mode.

    And making an accusation such as 'believing that Jesus will undo his work at the cross' is extremely irresponsible, especially considering I've never made such a claim, or said or though anything remotely like it.
     
  17. LastSeven

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    erm...ya, you kinda did. You said Ezekiel's temple was not symbolic. So in order for God to build a physical temple, presumably to serve the same purpose that the original temples served, then that would literally be undoing Christ's work at the cross.
     
  18. BABerean2

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    What did Jesus say?

    Joh 4:19  The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 
    Joh 4:20  Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 
    Joh 4:21  Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 
    Joh 4:22  Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 
    Joh 4:23  But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 
    Joh 4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


    Did Jesus say... "The day is coming when you will worship in the earthly city of Jerusalem." ? 

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  19. LittleLambofJesus

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    I can't wait to see that.....................
    LOL.
    Well he can always hope...........
    True dat..............
     
  20. LittleLambofJesus

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    ^_^
     
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