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Again - this is not really my area - but I thought the sites did change? Does not the archaeology of Jericho show that it was burned down a few times before the Babylonians and Persians also had a go?
Nor is it mine. What is generally lacking is a change in cultural artifacts (including religious items) representative of the Israelites in southern Caanan consistent with the invasion story.
OK! Now we're on the same page. (Apologies for my poor writing a few posts back - life's a bit overwhelming at the moment.)
We really aren't on the same page, but we'll get to that shortly.
That's what I'm getting at.

I'm trying to go back 3000 years and imagine Hebrew culture developing in the Canaanite lands - as the biblical minimalists see it. How did the first Yahwist priests get up one day and decide "Hey, let's all pretend we were rescued from a land we barely know anything about and have never been to? Wouldn't that be cool? Let's have a Hebrew saviour figure raised in the Royal Creche - we'll give him an Egyptian sounding name as well. We'll have him lead our forefathers out of Egypt with a bunch of miracles from Yahweh. We'll use this story to show our God is so much better than all those Egyptian gods. And we'll also have many of our people renamed in the Egyptian fashion as if we'd lived there 400 years and adopted a little of the culture. Now - we need a few spies to go down and investigate some of those changing, local Egyptian cities - because being desert dwellers - we know ALL about how the Nile can move and force them to move a city every few generations. Gotta have them geographic details! Or sceptical archaeologists in 3000 years might never buy it! They might not buy it anyway - but we've got to try...."

(Have I overdone it? Not being sarcastic at you - just the scenario.)
A bit overdone. There is no reason to think all of the elements of the story were present from the beginning. For example, the similarity of the Moses as foundling prince story to the story of Sargon is well known. This "foundling prince" aspect could have been added to the story by the scribes who built the basic text we have today in Bablylon or just after the end of the captivity. Those same scholars might have thought the period in Egypt corresponded to the Hyksos and used a text about that Semitic dynasty to add color to the story and make it more authentic. We just don't know.
Except - how does that go over with the first generation that hears this nonsense? They're Hebrews, a bit like Hobbits in how obsessed they are with family trees and history etc. They know where their great-great-grandparents are buried!
So do I. In the cemetery behind the church I attended as a child.
In this biblical minimalist scenario where they developed in Canaan - they know they didn't suddenly pop out of Egypt.
We shouldn't think that the story of Moses goes back all the way to the earliest Yahweh worship under that scenario. Perhaps the Moses story was brought be some Egyptianized Canaanites who fled the collapse of the Egyptian occupation of southern Canaan and it was told alongside the other stories until it became part of it after many generations.
Dr John Dickson asks Professor James Hoffmeier questions with John's sceptical audience in mind.
Mate - pretty much with Hans Blaster in mind. (And as John is a historian he'd love your profile image.)
My GGGF was puttin' confederates in their graves under the command of Sherman. He went home afterward.
Give it a go? It's not your typical church podcast with low production values and way too many over-the-top claims.

I have never listened to a "church podcast" typical or not. Is this a "church podcast" or is this supposed to be about legitimate scholars?

This instead has great production values, and feels like it has more academic rigour. EG: Hoffmeier does not try and redate the entire Egyptian timeline like David Rohl to magic evidence into being. EG: Unlike post 35 - Hoffmeier does not say we can find Israel itself mentioned in Egypt other than the Merpentan stele.

But he shows how various events that appear in Egyptian history are consistent with a small band of Hebrew Semites having been there. (As "Semites" generally - much in the same way white Australian's might refer to someone as 'aboriginal' without knowing what exactly which first nation they belonged to.) Where he can truly specialise - as both an Egyptologist and biblical historian - are those tricky little eyewitness details captured in the text of Exodus.

Even if you ultimately disagree - if you're interested in this topic - it's worth hearing what the other side have to say and testing the credibility of this podcast.

Perhaps if I find a couple hours I'll give it a try. THough I do have a lot to get done this weekend.
 
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You just described Israelite religion up until a much later period. The Prophets later certainly rail against the worship of Baal and Asherah in Israel. Moses condemns the worship of the Bull (Apis?) by the Israelites.
I think this is part of the evidence that scholars use to make their case for the monotheistic version of Israelite religion emerging around the worship of the one true god while surrounded by those who have not converted. Sort of like the early followers of Jesus convincing other Jews that the risen Jesus was the promised messiah.
Stephen in Acts adds the "Star of Rifan" and Moloch as objects of earlier Israelite worship during the Exodus.
Acts is a bit far separated from the time of those events, so I don't know that would have any usage.
 
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Acts is a bit far separated from the time of those events, so I don't know that would have any usage.
I was aware of the Egyptian belief that the star Polaris (as it did not move) was a portal to the next world.
I assumed that the "star of Rifan" named by Stepen was that.
But Wiki thinks it is Saturn Remphan - Wikipedia
 
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A year ago I made post here regarding Exodus historicity and through year I interacted with major scholars and egyptologists. And I realized I made error in abandonment of Jewish city. It didn't happened during Amenhotep 2 but Ramses. Also scholars and egyptologists pointed me into right date acording to Bible and there I found more compelling evidences than ever. Here there are.

WHEN EXODUS HAPPENED?

"they built Pithom and Rameses as store cities for Pharaoh." Exodus 1 11

Pi-Ramesses was the new capital built by the Nineteenth Dynasty Pharaoh Ramesses II (1279–1213 BCE) and it didn't exsist in any form before that. It also talks about specific action attached to it like building it so it cannot be anachronism. Also name of Ramses is the only name of pharaoh that appears in Exodus therefore it is obvious that it happened then.

The text indicates that the Israelites had been in Egypt for 430 years; that would coincide roughly with the narrative of Genesis, when Joseph would have gone to Egypt at the beginning of the 17th century BCE, according to the chronology that appears to be operative there (in Genesis

MAIN EVIDENCE

1 ABANDONMENT OF AVARIS

After Ramesses II constructed the city of Pi-Ramesses roughly 2 km (1.2 mi) to the north, Avaris was superseded by Pi-Ramesses, and thus finally abandoned during the Ramesside period acording to Manfred Bietak excavation there. Most importantly, the surrounding material culture does seem to continue on until the Rameside period. So the Semites who remained there after the Hyksos period were still there through the Thutmoside and Amarna period. But midway through the Rameside period, Tell el-dab’a (Avaris area) is left in ruins and replaced by cemeteries.

Bietak says there was “a Western Semitic population living in the eastern Delta for quite a length of time, from the late 12th Dynasty (ca. 1830 BC) until the Ramesside Period”

HOW DO WE KNOW IT IS ISRAEL CITY?

The research that led to this new began in 1966 when the Austrian Academy of Sciences opened the still-ongoing excavations at Tell el Dab’a, (ancient Avaris or Hwt-Waret) and identified the site as the Hyksos capital. Look, I’ll be straight with you: the Exodus was based on the Hyksos. No doubt about it. That is what the Egyptian historians claimed (Manetho), and that was what the Jewish historians claimed (Josephus). The Hyksos arrived in Egypt at the same time that the Israelites entered Egypt in the Bible. They both settled in the same city. Each of their leaders was granted authority equal to the Pharaoh. Each of their first kings was said to bear the title of “Shalyt.” Each stayed in Egypt for the same length of time. Each was driven by the country by a new Pharaoh who was concerned that they might turn against the native Egyptians. Each was driven from Egypt into the Levant. They left Egypt in similar numbers.There is evidence that the first Hyksos arrivals migrated from Mari, just like the family of Abraham. They have recovered over a dozen signet rings bearing the inscription “son of Jacob.” They found an Egyptian-style tomb for an Asiatic chieftain, adorned with a coat of many colors, and surrounded by eleven smaller family tombs, all from the same period. They found a papyrus from near the time of the departure of the Exodus with a list of slaves, and many of the names appear directly in the book of Exodus.

Dr Falk Egyptologist talks in detail about it in

2 conquest of Joshua

As to the only pharaoh associated in any way with Israelites, it is Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BC), son of Ramses II (reign: 1279–1213 BC). The famous “Merneptah stele” is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a separate campaign in Canaan, then part of Egypt's imperial possessions. The stele is sometimes referred to as the "Israel Stele" because a majority of scholars translate a set of hieroglyphs in line 27 as "Israel.

What is the significance of this text? Hershel Shanks, editor and author, answers: “The Merneptah Stele shows that a people called Israel existed in 1212 B.C.E. and that the pharaoh of Egypt not only knew about them, but also felt it was worth boasting about having defeated them in battle.” William G. Dever, professor of Near Eastern archaeology, comments: “The Merneptah stele tells us unequivocally: There does exist in Canaan a people calling themselves ‘Israel,’ and thus called ‘Israel’ by the Egyptians—who, after all, are hardly biblically biased, and they cannot have invented such a specific and unique people as ‘Israel’ for their own propaganda purposes.”

3 Jericho

Jericho is one of the city that has very unique manner of destruction and there are evidence it was destroyed in 13 century.More recently, Lorenzo Nigro from the Italian-Palestinian Expedition to Tell es-Sultan has argued that there was some sort of settlement at the site during the 14th and 13th centuries BCE. He states that the expedition has detected Late Bronze II layers in several parts of the tell, although its top layers were heavily cut by levelling operations during the Iron Age, which explains the scarcity of 13th century materials. You also cannot accuse of Nigro the biasses cause of his says that the idea that the Biblical account should have a literal archaeological correspondence is erroneous, and "any attempt to seriously identify something on the ground with biblical personages and their acts" is hazardous. He also thinks Exodus is dated at 15 century.Lorenzo Nigro's excavations at Jericho published a Late Bronze layer that ended up in ruins in the LB IIB period (=13th century BC). See:

"The Italian-Palestinian Expedition to Tell es-Sultan, Ancient Jericho (1997-2015): Archaeology and Valorisation of Material and Immaterial Heritage" in (eds. Sparks, Finlayson, Wagemakers, Briffa) 'Digging Up Jericho: Past, Present, and Future,' Oxford: Archaeopress, 2020, pp. 175-214

4 Desert artifacts and inscriptions across sinai mention Israel.

There's a late Middle Kingdom Proto-Sinaitic inscription from an ancient copper mine in Sinai that appears to mention Moses' metallurgist brother-in-law Hobab in connection with the Israelites, who are frequently referred to as 'the Assembly of the Sons of Israel’ in the Moses account.

It reads:

“Now unto the Assembly and unto Hobab is the majesty of a furnace.”

Again, found at an ancient copper mine in the Southern Sinai Peninsula near traditional Mt Sinai and Biblical Dophkah, where the scripture records the Israelites stopping after the Wilderness Sin where Yahweh sent them 'Manna' to eat for the first time.

An inscription found at Dophkah reads:

“I uproot an oppressed garden! Who is on the Father's side in keeping your Manna?”

There is a alter at Mount Elba dated to around 1200 BC, but right under its foundation is earlier sacrifices from sheep, goats, cattle and deer and also a scarab depicting Thutmose III (but scholars state this is from 1250BC and not earlier).

5 Mountain Sinai

Experts believe they’ve finally found one of the holiest sites in the Bible — miles from where it was previously assumed to have existed.

A biblical archaeologist organization, The Doubting Thomas Research Foundation, claims it has found the actual mountain where, according to the Old Testament, Moses lead the Israelites – a mountain that was enveloped in smoke, fire and thunder – and where, at the top, Moses received the Ten Commandments from God.

Right at the foot of the mountain, there is an undeniably man-made structure with features that fit the Biblical requirements for a sacrificial altar.

This L-shaped structure clearly resembles chutes, which would be used for lining up the animals for sacrifice. At the end of the line, there is evidence of burnt sacrifices and various features required for the Exodus story to take place.

It is an earthen altar, does not have steps, and is made entirely of uncut stones, an anomalous design among most man-made structures

Tests on samples of the blackened rock retrieved in the 1980s by Bob Cornuke indicate they are metamorphic basalt.

The analysis of his rock samples concluded that it is most likely basalt that went through metamorphosis:

“[the rock was] metamorphosed in the low to middle amphibolite facies and may have undergone metamorphism at an approximate temperature of 500 degrees or lower at lower pressure, no more than 2 to 3 kilobars. My guess is that the rock started out as an igneous rock, probably of basaltic or andesitic composition and was later metamorphosed.”

6 plagues

Studies of stalagmites in Egyptian caves have found that timing coincides with a period of prolonged drought. AccuWeather founder and executive chairman Dr. Joel N. Myers, author of Invisible Iceberg: When Climate and Weather Shaped History, says the extended dry spell could have triggered a domino effect of natural disasters such as those described in the Bible.

“Once you have a drought and a heat wave, everything changes,” he says. “When the climate changes, a series of disruptions occur that feed on each other.”

The Bible lays out exactly the chronological events of the plagues. It isn't a coincidence that the exact sequence of events is verified by stalagmites taken from caves in Egypt, the presence of volcanic ash and pumice stone in an area where there has never been a volcano, and a complete change of climate during the reign of Ramses II, which would have accounted for these events.

All over the city of Avaris are shallow burial pits with multiple victims. There were no careful interments as was required under Egyptian customs. The bodies were thrown one on top of another in mass graves. There is no evidence of grave goods being placed with the corpses as was the Egyptian custom. Bietak is convinced this is direct evidence of a plague or catastrophe.

Wood shortages noted in later periods in Egypt, likely resulting from locust.

Amun-her-khepeshef was first in line to inherit the throne of Egypt from his father, Ramesses II's. He died before inheriting his father's titles 25 years into his father's rule.

7 Others evidences

High amount of Egyptian loanwords that's significantly more frequent than would be expected in Imperial Aramaic

Egyptian names in Pentateuch

Names fit with 2nd Millennium BCE

Use of toponym Raamses

Other Toponyms fit with 13th Century BCE

Exodus. 14-15 is similar to Kadesh Inscription

Not written in a Mythological Fashion

Attested in multiple Israelite sources

Literary device "mighty hand"

Requests for temporary leave

knowledge of Egyptian crop circles

Biographies of Ahmose showing that the people of Ataris were enslaved.

A change in dynasty explaining the new Pharaoh's lack of knowledge of Joseph.

Egyptians considering Semites enemies.

Rameses' successor was not as militarily strong, suggesting a weakening of Egypt in the wake of Exodus.

Other discoveries in Bible

The [Mesha Steel] (Mesha Stele - Wikipedia), erected by King Mesha of Moab, tells the story of the Moabite rebellion in 2 Kings 3:4–28 from the perspective of the Moabites.

The [cylinder of Cyrus] (Cyrus Cylinder - Wikipedia) confirms the role Cyrus the Great and the Persian Empire played in ending the Judean captivity in Babylon as described in the Bible.

The writings of [Flavius Josephus] (Josephus on Jesus - Wikipedia) provide a non-Christian source that supports the historical existence of Jesus.

There are countless more archaeological discoveries, as well, that confirm that the Bible, as a history of the Israelite people, at least reflects the history of a people as they told it.

Common objections debunked.

Consensus of experts is that exodus didn't happened

Contrary to the very popular misconception, the scholarly consensus among actual Egyptologists is that the Exodus is “very likely” rooted in historical events, but most Egyptologists shy away from the subject because it is too controversial. That is according to a survey of Egyptologists conducted by Dr. James Hoffmeier, who is himself an Egyptologist, the Professor of Old Testament and Near Eastern Archaeology at Trinity University, and the director of the North Sinai Archaeological Project.

According to Hoffmeier, 85% of the Egyptologists who responded to his survey believe that the Exodus was likely rooted in historical events. Many of them connect it to the expulsion of the Hyksos in 1522 BC (which has some very startling parallels the Exodus account), while others associate it with the reign of Ramses II. Only a few respondents said that a historical basis for the Exodus was “unlikely.”

David Falk"Today pendulum has shifted. It swunged another direction"

Why Exodus matters

Why Exodus events are so important. Getting Large numer of people out of Sinai without starving is miracle. Diffrence beetwen Exodus and other events is that it relies on miracles happened. If those were random natural disasters then pharaoh would never release slaves without being threaten. Even if you would explain all natural things in this story you would never explain why all those miracles happened at around the same time. It's timing is miraclous.

if God does not exist, the individual incurs only finite losses, potentially sacrificing certain pleasures and luxuries. However, if God does indeed exist, they stand to gain immeasurably, as represented for example by an eternity in Heaven in Abrahamic tradition, while simultaneously avoiding boundless losses associated with an eternity in Hell.

Sources

Pi-Ramesses - Wikipedia

“On the Historicity of the Exodus: What Egyptology Today Can Contribute to Assessing the Sojourn in Egypt,” in T. E. Levy, T. Schneider and W.H.C. Propp (eds.), Israel's Exodus in Transdisciplinary Perspective, Heidelberg-New York: Springer ,

_On_the_Historicity_of_the_Exodus_What_Egyptology_Today_Can_Contribute_to_Assessing_the_Sojourn_in_Egypt_in_T_E_Levy_T_Schneider_and_W_H_C_Propp_eds_Israels_Exodus_in_Transdisciplinary_Perspective_Heidelberg_New_York_Springer_17_36

Why I Took Down Exodus Rediscovered

Fall of Jericho - Wikipedia

https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/mfusve
https://doubtingthomasresearch.com/moses-altar-12-pillars/

https://jabalmaqla.com/blackened-peak/

Did Ramesses II, also known as Ramesses the Great, have anything to do with the ten plagues or exodus from Egypt?

Did the 10 Plagues of Egypt Really Happen? Here Are 3 Theories

Ten Plagues of Egypt

Amun-her-khepeshef - Wikipedia

https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/tcta7d
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bible/comments/196fbcg
Pascal's wager - Wikipedia

@Mrpp

Exodus is about a drought, and the tribe migrated elsewhere, so can drink water?

Do you think Exit Exodus was due to a drought and needing to migrate to find water to drink?

What were the Ten Plagues of Egypt or the Indus Valley in ancient India? Similar plagues or different plagues?

Exit from Indus Valley compared to Exit from Egypt?

Would you rather exit the Indus Valley in ancient India or exit Egypt? What would be easier to exit?

There was a drought in the Indus Valley in ancient India, and so the Yadavas needed water to drink, how difficult was that type of exit compared to the exit in Egypt with those ten plagues, was any of those plagues from a drought?
 
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There was a drought in the Indus Valley in ancient India, and so the Yadavas needed water to drink, how difficult was that type of exit compared to the exit in Egypt with those ten plagues, was any of those plagues from a drought?
The archaeologists are moving the date for the massive eruption of Santorini (Thera) down from 1600BC much closer to 1500BC. This was a 30-40km3 ejection. It might also supply a tsunami through the Sea of Reeds on the Mediterranean coast. The dating from the bible (480 years before the building of Solomons temple) places Exodus in the 1450sBC. From the more recent and much smaller eruption of Mount Saint Helen's, we see most of the plagues described in the biblical narrative.
 
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My concern is: if it's difficult to breathe, how did Moses stay in this place for so long? How did Moses breathe?

Mountain Sinai
@Mrpp was the Sinai that you showed, it is difficult for humans to breathe

smaller eruption of Mount Saint Helen's,
@Maori Aussie was Mount Saint Helen's difficult for humans to breathe?

There's this volcano in Iran called Taftan Volcano
showing a video of how difficult it is to breathe

My concern is: if it's difficult to breathe, how did Moses stay in this place for so long? How did Moses breathe?
 
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A year ago I made post here regarding Exodus historicity and through year I interacted with major scholars and egyptologists. And I realized I made error in abandonment of Jewish city. It didn't happened during Amenhotep 2 but Ramses. Also scholars and egyptologists pointed me into right date acording to Bible and there I found more compelling evidences than ever. Here there are.

WHEN EXODUS HAPPENED?

"they built Pithom and Rameses as store cities for Pharaoh." Exodus 1 11

Pi-Ramesses was the new capital built by the Nineteenth Dynasty Pharaoh Ramesses II (1279–1213 BCE) and it didn't exsist in any form before that. It also talks about specific action attached to it like building it so it cannot be anachronism. Also name of Ramses is the only name of pharaoh that appears in Exodus therefore it is obvious that it happened then.

The text indicates that the Israelites had been in Egypt for 430 years; that would coincide roughly with the narrative of Genesis, when Joseph would have gone to Egypt at the beginning of the 17th century BCE, according to the chronology that appears to be operative there (in Genesis

MAIN EVIDENCE

1 ABANDONMENT OF AVARIS

After Ramesses II constructed the city of Pi-Ramesses roughly 2 km (1.2 mi) to the north, Avaris was superseded by Pi-Ramesses, and thus finally abandoned during the Ramesside period acording to Manfred Bietak excavation there. Most importantly, the surrounding material culture does seem to continue on until the Rameside period. So the Semites who remained there after the Hyksos period were still there through the Thutmoside and Amarna period. But midway through the Rameside period, Tell el-dab’a (Avaris area) is left in ruins and replaced by cemeteries.

Bietak says there was “a Western Semitic population living in the eastern Delta for quite a length of time, from the late 12th Dynasty (ca. 1830 BC) until the Ramesside Period”

HOW DO WE KNOW IT IS ISRAEL CITY?

The research that led to this new began in 1966 when the Austrian Academy of Sciences opened the still-ongoing excavations at Tell el Dab’a, (ancient Avaris or Hwt-Waret) and identified the site as the Hyksos capital. Look, I’ll be straight with you: the Exodus was based on the Hyksos. No doubt about it. That is what the Egyptian historians claimed (Manetho), and that was what the Jewish historians claimed (Josephus). The Hyksos arrived in Egypt at the same time that the Israelites entered Egypt in the Bible. They both settled in the same city. Each of their leaders was granted authority equal to the Pharaoh. Each of their first kings was said to bear the title of “Shalyt.” Each stayed in Egypt for the same length of time. Each was driven by the country by a new Pharaoh who was concerned that they might turn against the native Egyptians. Each was driven from Egypt into the Levant. They left Egypt in similar numbers.There is evidence that the first Hyksos arrivals migrated from Mari, just like the family of Abraham. They have recovered over a dozen signet rings bearing the inscription “son of Jacob.” They found an Egyptian-style tomb for an Asiatic chieftain, adorned with a coat of many colors, and surrounded by eleven smaller family tombs, all from the same period. They found a papyrus from near the time of the departure of the Exodus with a list of slaves, and many of the names appear directly in the book of Exodus.

Dr Falk Egyptologist talks in detail about it in

2 conquest of Joshua

As to the only pharaoh associated in any way with Israelites, it is Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BC), son of Ramses II (reign: 1279–1213 BC). The famous “Merneptah stele” is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a separate campaign in Canaan, then part of Egypt's imperial possessions. The stele is sometimes referred to as the "Israel Stele" because a majority of scholars translate a set of hieroglyphs in line 27 as "Israel.

What is the significance of this text? Hershel Shanks, editor and author, answers: “The Merneptah Stele shows that a people called Israel existed in 1212 B.C.E. and that the pharaoh of Egypt not only knew about them, but also felt it was worth boasting about having defeated them in battle.” William G. Dever, professor of Near Eastern archaeology, comments: “The Merneptah stele tells us unequivocally: There does exist in Canaan a people calling themselves ‘Israel,’ and thus called ‘Israel’ by the Egyptians—who, after all, are hardly biblically biased, and they cannot have invented such a specific and unique people as ‘Israel’ for their own propaganda purposes.”

3 Jericho

Jericho is one of the city that has very unique manner of destruction and there are evidence it was destroyed in 13 century.More recently, Lorenzo Nigro from the Italian-Palestinian Expedition to Tell es-Sultan has argued that there was some sort of settlement at the site during the 14th and 13th centuries BCE. He states that the expedition has detected Late Bronze II layers in several parts of the tell, although its top layers were heavily cut by levelling operations during the Iron Age, which explains the scarcity of 13th century materials. You also cannot accuse of Nigro the biasses cause of his says that the idea that the Biblical account should have a literal archaeological correspondence is erroneous, and "any attempt to seriously identify something on the ground with biblical personages and their acts" is hazardous. He also thinks Exodus is dated at 15 century.Lorenzo Nigro's excavations at Jericho published a Late Bronze layer that ended up in ruins in the LB IIB period (=13th century BC). See:

"The Italian-Palestinian Expedition to Tell es-Sultan, Ancient Jericho (1997-2015): Archaeology and Valorisation of Material and Immaterial Heritage" in (eds. Sparks, Finlayson, Wagemakers, Briffa) 'Digging Up Jericho: Past, Present, and Future,' Oxford: Archaeopress, 2020, pp. 175-214

4 Desert artifacts and inscriptions across sinai mention Israel.

There's a late Middle Kingdom Proto-Sinaitic inscription from an ancient copper mine in Sinai that appears to mention Moses' metallurgist brother-in-law Hobab in connection with the Israelites, who are frequently referred to as 'the Assembly of the Sons of Israel’ in the Moses account.

It reads:

“Now unto the Assembly and unto Hobab is the majesty of a furnace.”

Again, found at an ancient copper mine in the Southern Sinai Peninsula near traditional Mt Sinai and Biblical Dophkah, where the scripture records the Israelites stopping after the Wilderness Sin where Yahweh sent them 'Manna' to eat for the first time.

An inscription found at Dophkah reads:

“I uproot an oppressed garden! Who is on the Father's side in keeping your Manna?”

There is a alter at Mount Elba dated to around 1200 BC, but right under its foundation is earlier sacrifices from sheep, goats, cattle and deer and also a scarab depicting Thutmose III (but scholars state this is from 1250BC and not earlier).

5 Mountain Sinai

Experts believe they’ve finally found one of the holiest sites in the Bible — miles from where it was previously assumed to have existed.

A biblical archaeologist organization, The Doubting Thomas Research Foundation, claims it has found the actual mountain where, according to the Old Testament, Moses lead the Israelites – a mountain that was enveloped in smoke, fire and thunder – and where, at the top, Moses received the Ten Commandments from God.

Right at the foot of the mountain, there is an undeniably man-made structure with features that fit the Biblical requirements for a sacrificial altar.

This L-shaped structure clearly resembles chutes, which would be used for lining up the animals for sacrifice. At the end of the line, there is evidence of burnt sacrifices and various features required for the Exodus story to take place.

It is an earthen altar, does not have steps, and is made entirely of uncut stones, an anomalous design among most man-made structures

Tests on samples of the blackened rock retrieved in the 1980s by Bob Cornuke indicate they are metamorphic basalt.

The analysis of his rock samples concluded that it is most likely basalt that went through metamorphosis:

“[the rock was] metamorphosed in the low to middle amphibolite facies and may have undergone metamorphism at an approximate temperature of 500 degrees or lower at lower pressure, no more than 2 to 3 kilobars. My guess is that the rock started out as an igneous rock, probably of basaltic or andesitic composition and was later metamorphosed.”

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Studies of stalagmites in Egyptian caves have found that timing coincides with a period of prolonged drought. AccuWeather founder and executive chairman Dr. Joel N. Myers, author of Invisible Iceberg: When Climate and Weather Shaped History, says the extended dry spell could have triggered a domino effect of natural disasters such as those described in the Bible.

“Once you have a drought and a heat wave, everything changes,” he says. “When the climate changes, a series of disruptions occur that feed on each other.”

The Bible lays out exactly the chronological events of the plagues. It isn't a coincidence that the exact sequence of events is verified by stalagmites taken from caves in Egypt, the presence of volcanic ash and pumice stone in an area where there has never been a volcano, and a complete change of climate during the reign of Ramses II, which would have accounted for these events.

All over the city of Avaris are shallow burial pits with multiple victims. There were no careful interments as was required under Egyptian customs. The bodies were thrown one on top of another in mass graves. There is no evidence of grave goods being placed with the corpses as was the Egyptian custom. Bietak is convinced this is direct evidence of a plague or catastrophe.

Wood shortages noted in later periods in Egypt, likely resulting from locust.

Amun-her-khepeshef was first in line to inherit the throne of Egypt from his father, Ramesses II's. He died before inheriting his father's titles 25 years into his father's rule.

7 Others evidences

High amount of Egyptian loanwords that's significantly more frequent than would be expected in Imperial Aramaic

Egyptian names in Pentateuch

Names fit with 2nd Millennium BCE

Use of toponym Raamses

Other Toponyms fit with 13th Century BCE

Exodus. 14-15 is similar to Kadesh Inscription

Not written in a Mythological Fashion

Attested in multiple Israelite sources

Literary device "mighty hand"

Requests for temporary leave

knowledge of Egyptian crop circles

Biographies of Ahmose showing that the people of Ataris were enslaved.

A change in dynasty explaining the new Pharaoh's lack of knowledge of Joseph.

Egyptians considering Semites enemies.

Rameses' successor was not as militarily strong, suggesting a weakening of Egypt in the wake of Exodus.

Other discoveries in Bible

The [Mesha Steel] (Mesha Stele - Wikipedia), erected by King Mesha of Moab, tells the story of the Moabite rebellion in 2 Kings 3:4–28 from the perspective of the Moabites.

The [cylinder of Cyrus] (Cyrus Cylinder - Wikipedia) confirms the role Cyrus the Great and the Persian Empire played in ending the Judean captivity in Babylon as described in the Bible.

The writings of [Flavius Josephus] (Josephus on Jesus - Wikipedia) provide a non-Christian source that supports the historical existence of Jesus.

There are countless more archaeological discoveries, as well, that confirm that the Bible, as a history of the Israelite people, at least reflects the history of a people as they told it.

Common objections debunked.

Consensus of experts is that exodus didn't happened

Contrary to the very popular misconception, the scholarly consensus among actual Egyptologists is that the Exodus is “very likely” rooted in historical events, but most Egyptologists shy away from the subject because it is too controversial. That is according to a survey of Egyptologists conducted by Dr. James Hoffmeier, who is himself an Egyptologist, the Professor of Old Testament and Near Eastern Archaeology at Trinity University, and the director of the North Sinai Archaeological Project.

According to Hoffmeier, 85% of the Egyptologists who responded to his survey believe that the Exodus was likely rooted in historical events. Many of them connect it to the expulsion of the Hyksos in 1522 BC (which has some very startling parallels the Exodus account), while others associate it with the reign of Ramses II. Only a few respondents said that a historical basis for the Exodus was “unlikely.”

David Falk"Today pendulum has shifted. It swunged another direction"

Why Exodus matters

Why Exodus events are so important. Getting Large numer of people out of Sinai without starving is miracle. Diffrence beetwen Exodus and other events is that it relies on miracles happened. If those were random natural disasters then pharaoh would never release slaves without being threaten. Even if you would explain all natural things in this story you would never explain why all those miracles happened at around the same time. It's timing is miraclous.

if God does not exist, the individual incurs only finite losses, potentially sacrificing certain pleasures and luxuries. However, if God does indeed exist, they stand to gain immeasurably, as represented for example by an eternity in Heaven in Abrahamic tradition, while simultaneously avoiding boundless losses associated with an eternity in Hell.

Sources

Pi-Ramesses - Wikipedia

“On the Historicity of the Exodus: What Egyptology Today Can Contribute to Assessing the Sojourn in Egypt,” in T. E. Levy, T. Schneider and W.H.C. Propp (eds.), Israel's Exodus in Transdisciplinary Perspective, Heidelberg-New York: Springer ,

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Why I Took Down Exodus Rediscovered

Fall of Jericho - Wikipedia

https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/mfusve
Moses' Altar and the 12 Pillars - Doubting Thomas Research

Mount Sinai's Distinct Blackened Peak - Jabal Maqla

Did Ramesses II, also known as Ramesses the Great, have anything to do with the ten plagues or exodus from Egypt?

Did the 10 Plagues of Egypt Really Happen? Here Are 3 Theories

Ten Plagues of Egypt

Amun-her-khepeshef - Wikipedia

https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/tcta7d
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bible/comments/196fbcg
Pascal's wager - Wikipedia

@Tinker Grey welcome yes I'm River Sea at RF however I do not have this name River Sea here at CF. I'm rvs here at CF.

Now to form a question from @Mrpp post from the quote above.

From in the middle of quote that @Mrpp wrote:
The [Mesha Steel] (Mesha Stele - Wikipedia), erected by King Mesha of Moab, tells the story of the Moabite rebellion in 2 Kings 3:4–28 from the perspective of the Moabites.

I'll see if I can form a question

@Mrpp @Tinker Grey
King David married a Moabite correct?

What are your thoughts about King David marrying a Moabite, or am I mistaken about this?

Did King David ever mention anything about Exodus?
 
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