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Ex-believers-What once convinced you of God's existence?
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Ok, so you don't believe miracles happen. Fine. But I hope you don't use the cheesy theatrical presentations at a church "healing service" as your reasoning. There are admittedly church practices that take place that turn me off too.
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It doesn't matter if the theatrics are in a church or in a far off land without an audience. It's all hooey!
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....according to you. I'm glad you don't make decisions about anyone else's views, including mine.
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No, according to the reality of this world that we both share.
I did make a decision, your assertion is hooey! When you can back up your hooey ideas with evidence, come back and persuede me.
If God exists, and He can heal whoever He wants, even indirectly, yet He chooses only certain individuals, then He is cruel and evil.
But that is what I deduced from your view, and you are entitled to your view, however you reconcile it.
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People are certainly free to believe any tomfoolishness they like. If they want to be taken seriously, they have to present some evidence.
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There are all sorts of events happening, some are likely, some highly unlikely, these events will happen regardless of whether someone prays for them or not.
So if someone happens to pray for something unlikely, and it happens, one can easily use it as evidence for God.
The fact is....unlikely things do happen.
So if someone happens to pray for something unlikely, and it happens, one can easily use it as evidence for God.
The fact is....unlikely things do happen.
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People will win lotto, recover from near death and get killed by falling coconuts, whether deities exist or not.
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Only if you presume that the world can exist without them.
A controversial quote:
Bhagavad Gita 7:15
Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, who are lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons do not surrender unto Me.
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More like, only if you don't presume that the world can only exist with them. There is no reason to make that presumption.
eudaimonia,
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What reason could there be for methodological naturalist?
If you take a foundationalist epistemology (basing beliefs on a basic set of foundations), and are empirically minded, then its pretty much impossible to know God. Before you even set out looking, because as Buber says god is not an "it" but a"You" or more poetically a "Thou".
Maybe coherentism (no properly basic beliefs, but having a system that fits together nicely, with beliefs in line and consistent with one another) is the only other option? Or a spiritualistic foundaitonalism.
Of course a milimalism, inspired by Occam razor, will always cut out unnecessary beliefs, but I dont think "faith" is mean to be epistemologically forced or compelled, be that by design or accident of evolution or otherwise. Its so-called "object" only vaguely observable through the clouds of unknowing.
In any case it must have a function for some kind...maybe in part its a traditional form of prozac, and religion a locus of concentrated culture ("rock of ages" surviving from generation to generation); or a part of a "model-building stimulation/initiation" circuitry in the brain (functioning by helping making sense of higher order or complex and chaotic patterns and phenomenon like weather, success, failure etc in terms of what is instinctive to us: other minds)?
God:the approximate psychology of the zombie world? "God-did-it", the expendable mother of science or "it-did-it"? After all the priests were the ancsetors of the greats...
Would a rose by any other name really smell as sweet?
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" - Shakespeare.
The luxuries we live with, eh?
If you take a foundationalist epistemology (basing beliefs on a basic set of foundations), and are empirically minded, then its pretty much impossible to know God. Before you even set out looking, because as Buber says god is not an "it" but a"You" or more poetically a "Thou".
Maybe coherentism (no properly basic beliefs, but having a system that fits together nicely, with beliefs in line and consistent with one another) is the only other option? Or a spiritualistic foundaitonalism.
Of course a milimalism, inspired by Occam razor, will always cut out unnecessary beliefs, but I dont think "faith" is mean to be epistemologically forced or compelled, be that by design or accident of evolution or otherwise. Its so-called "object" only vaguely observable through the clouds of unknowing.
In any case it must have a function for some kind...maybe in part its a traditional form of prozac, and religion a locus of concentrated culture ("rock of ages" surviving from generation to generation); or a part of a "model-building stimulation/initiation" circuitry in the brain (functioning by helping making sense of higher order or complex and chaotic patterns and phenomenon like weather, success, failure etc in terms of what is instinctive to us: other minds)?
God:the approximate psychology of the zombie world? "God-did-it", the expendable mother of science or "it-did-it"? After all the priests were the ancsetors of the greats...
Would a rose by any other name really smell as sweet?
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" - Shakespeare.
The luxuries we live with, eh?
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I know plenty of people (you and thous) through empirically minded methodological means, the problem with this "God" of yours is that you never happen to bump into evidence of the concept but theists generally have a big fat complicated opinion on what it's like.
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You're asking for my opinion about what someone said? I don't have an opinion. I have what He actually said. He is creator of the universe. But if you need more detail:
FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT Called God Phil. 1:2 John 1:1,14; Acts 5:3-4 Creator Isaiah 64:8 John 1:3; Job 33:4, 26:13 Everywhere 1 Kings 8:27 Matt. 28:20 Psalm 139:7-10 All knowing 1 John 3:20 John 16:30; 21:17 1 Cor. 2:10-11 A Will Luke 22:42 Luke 22:42 1 Cor. 12:11 Speaks Matt. 3:17; Luke 5:20; 7:48 Acts 13:2
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