Evolutionary debate

[HasturX]

Drugs r bad mmmmkay.

 

[AV1611VET]

Drugs r bad mmmmkay.

I've never tried them, but I'll accept what you say, as well as written documentation and, by faith, agree.

 

[Greatcloud]

AV1611VET, have you ever tried alcohol its the same thing Alcohol is a mind altering substance. I once had some Marijanna brownies at a party I did not like it. I'll stick with the Holy Spirit to get high, to be high on Jesus is the best high there is.

 

[HasturX]

I've never tried them, but I'll accept what you say, as well as written documentation and, by faith, agree.

You think you have to try drugs to find out they are bad for you?


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Do you also think you have to jump off of buildings to find out that falls from great heights bad for you?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

AV1611VET, have you ever tried alcohol its the same thing Alcohol is a mind altering substance. I once had some Marijanna brownies at a party I did not like it. I'll stick with the Holy Spirit to get high, to be high on Jesus is the best high there is.

The comedown is horrible though.

 

[SkyWriting]

Originally Posted by Greatcloud AV1611VET, have you ever tried alcohol its the same thing Alcohol is a mind altering substance. I once had some Marijanna brownies at a party I did not like it. I'll stick with the Holy Spirit to get high, to be high on Jesus is the best high there is.

The comedown is horrible though.

But not necessary:

Philippians 1:6 For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
He will continue to give you strength until the end so that no one can accuse you of anything on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Greatcloud]

I'll stick with the Holy Spirit to get high, being filled with the Holy Spirit is the ultimate high and its good for you too. Just like speaking in tounges is good for you(it edifies you). Prophecy and words of knowledge and discernment of spirits. Its all benifical to your soul.

 

[SkyWriting]

I'll stick with the Holy Spirit to get high, being filled with the Holy Spirit is the ultimate high and its good for you too. Just like speaking in tounges is good for you(it edifies you). Prophecy and words of knowledge and discernment of spirits. Its all benifical to your soul.

There are a few spiritual gifts that are not considered "active" or needed anymore. Tounges is not considered to be needed because we now have the written word for our benefit. Though I don't know of any obvious harm to those who practice it.

 

[AV1611VET]

There are a few spiritual gifts that are not considered "active" or needed anymore. Tounges is not considered to be needed because we now have the written word for our benefit.

 

[Greatcloud]

There are a few spiritual gifts that are not considered "active" or needed anymore. Tounges is not considered to be needed because we now have the written word for our benefit.

As a Charismatic I disagree and believe we need all the gifts and miracles for today, just like answers to prayer.

 

[lucaspa]

What makes you think the Grand Canyon was a result of the Flood?

It could have been made when God pulled the landmass apart, then later, water could have found its way through the canyon; and of course, uniformitarianists would [mistakenly] assume the water carved it.

God pulled the landmass apart? Where does the Bible state that?

All the professional Flood Geologists state that the Grand Canyon was a result of the Flood: Henry Morris, Steve Austin, Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, etc.

BTW, there is no juncture of tectonic plates (where God would have pulled the landmass apart) under the Grand Canyon.

You're just making this stuff up as you go along, aren't you? Pretty desperate ad hoc hypothesizing, when you end up going against even what all the young earth creationists say.

 

[lucaspa]

You were there and watched it happen, were you?

Well, for someone who just dissed a standard YEC claim, you then turn around and repeat a standard YEC argument.

However, have you considered that even YECers don't believe this, because they think they can determine how things happened in the past without being there to watch it happen? After all, they think you can tell that the Grand Canyon was carved during a Flood, even tho they weren't there to see it happen.

You must think we can determine that God pulled the landmass apart, even tho we weren't there to watch it happen. After all, the Bible never states this so you must think we can determine it even tho we weren't told and weren't there to watch it happen. If not, then you have no basis for making that claim about landmass being pulled apart.

Talk about being hoist on your own petard. Ow. That's gotta hurt.

 

[AV1611VET]

God pulled the landmass apart? Where does the Bible state that?

All the professional Flood Geologists state that the Grand Canyon was a result of the Flood: Henry Morris, Steve Austin, Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, etc.

BTW, there is no juncture of tectonic plates (where God would have pulled the landmass apart) under the Grand Canyon.

You're just making this stuff up as you go along, aren't you? Pretty desperate ad hoc hypothesizing, when you end up going against even what all the young earth creationists say.

Then how about you explain how the earth went from this:

... to this ...

... in one man's lifetime?

 

[AV1611VET]

Talk about being hoist on your own petard. Ow. That's gotta hurt.

Um ... just fyi ... I'm not a YEC.

 

[lucaspa]

I am glad you realize it is ridiculous. What does uniformitarianism, an outmoded model of geology, have to do with anything.

What makes you say "uniformitarianism" is an outmoded model of geology? Uniformitarianism is the statement that processes we observe today -- including local catastrophes -- will account for geological features.


Otherwise, your arguments against AVVet's idea that all peoples, including Chineses, came from Noah's grandsons is sound. So sound, in fact, that AVVEt had to take refuge in invoking a miracle (via a verse out of context in Matthew) that scripture does not mention.

Quite frankly, that's an admission of defeat. Because it denies the very thing AV is trying to defend: inerrant scripture as read literally. Omission of critical information is just as much "error" as an outright mistake. A major miracle by God is critical information.

 

[lucaspa]

Um ... just fyi ... I'm not a YEC.

The hoist was not based on you being YEC, but the contradiction with your statement that you can't tell what happened in the past unless you were there. Yes, YECs are hoisted on that petard, too. But you hoisted yourself on it without being a YEC.

So both you and YECs gotta be hurting.

 

[AV1611VET]

The hoist was not based on your YEC, but the contradiction with your statement that you can't tell what happened in the past unless you were there. Yes, YECs are hoisted on that petard, too. But you hoisted yourself on it without being a YEC.

Still gotta hurt.

I can't tell what happened in the past?

Well ... technically ... you're right.

So I have to rely on Someone Who was there.

Therefore, not only can I tell what happened in the past, I can even give you some words that were spoken as well.

ETA: And before you rush off: 293 please.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Then how about you explain how the earth went from this:

... to this ...

... in one man's lifetime?

Are you saying that one man has been alive for 175 million years? That is rather remarkable considering that modern humans have only been around for about 200,000.
Pangaea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you saying that one man has been alive for 175 million years? That is rather remarkable considering that modern humans have only been around for about 200,000.
Pangaea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is that your explanation?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

What makes you say "uniformitarianism" is an outmoded model of geology? Uniformitarianism is the statement that processes we observe today -- including local catastrophes -- will account for geological features.

The strawman I am referring to is the outmoded strict uniformatiarianism of Hutton and Lyell which was a reaction to earlier versions of Neptunism and Catastrophism. The idea that the laws and processes that occur in the present occured in the past including large local catastrophies that exceeded any in recent history can be referred to as uniformatarianism but that is not the strawman version YECs are always trying to tear down.

Uniformitarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I prefer to refer to current geological thinking as actualism.

Actualism - SkepticWiki

that is the idea that the earth's geology was shaped by things that actually happen.