Revelations

[TGP2025]

so, i bring up this topic today, because i have seen many videos say that all but ONE specific sign has yet taken place. and that is the seven year Covenant in Israel, which will allow them to rebuild the very temple that Jesus went to in Jerusalem. do you agree with the Youtube theories, or think we are a ways away yet? i would love some thoughts on this, because i do wonder myself if they are correct, or if they're all doomsaying like usual.

secondly, i want to know what you all think about another part of the subject. Jesus told the people of Judea, to flee into the mountains when the Antichrist makes themself known. should we also flee, like Lot and his family from Sodom? or do we stay put? i have heard both sides of that argument and idk, if Jesus told people to flee to the Mountains, maybe all Christians should do so, not just the people of Judea. and i'm thinking, we should flee, because God is gonna be out to punish the unrepentant and not want us to be in his way, we would be showing obedience by doing so.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

so, i bring up this topic today, because i have seen many videos say that all but ONE specific sign has yet taken place. and that is the seven year Covenant in Israel, which will allow them to rebuild the very temple that Jesus went to in Jerusalem. do you agree with the Youtube theories, or think we are a ways away yet? i would love some thoughts on this, because i do wonder myself if they are correct, or if they're all doomsaying like usual.

secondly, i want to know what you all think about another part of the subject. Jesus told the people of Judea, to flee into the mountains when the Antichrist makes themself known. should we also flee, like Lot and his family from Sodom? or do we stay put? i have heard both sides of that argument and idk, if Jesus told people to flee to the Mountains, maybe all Christians should do so, not just the people of Judea. and i'm thinking, we should flee, because God is gonna be out to punish the unrepentant and not want us to be in his way, we would be showing obedience by doing so.

First, if I may correct you, it is Revelation without the s. That's the easy part.

As a partial Preterist, which I am, all your concerns are either fulfilled in 70AD or a pieced together theology that does not exist in scripture. I can not go over this line by line you just need to go to scripture and test the teaching of Dispensationalism. Its just not there.

Be blessed.

 

[PloverWing]

The language in the book of Revelation is highly figurative, and there are many different theories on how to interpret it. The idea of attaching a current event to each Revelation symbol is only one of many ways to approach the book. I suggest reading some books from a variety of viewpoints, and then making up your mind. As @Maria Billingsley has noted above, one plausible alternative is that most of the events of Revelation happened in the first century.

Can I ask which YouTube voices have been proposing the theories you describe? Are they New Testament scholars, or pastors, or random guys with a video camera, or something in between? Do they say what point of view they come from -- are they Catholic, Reformed, Lutheran, etc.? That might help in evaluating their ideas.

 

[Matt5]

You do need to be prepared to flee, but there are issues.

Revelation is incomprehensible because if people knew the truth they would do nothing. They will always find a way to do nothing.

Revelation must always intersect with current events. Just look at current events and work backwards into Revelation. It's all there.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

First, if I may correct you, it is Revelation without the s. That's the easy part.

As a partial Preterist, which I am, all your concerns are either fulfilled in 70AD or a pieced together theology that does not exist in scripture. I can not go over this line by line you just need to go to scripture and test the teaching of Dispensationalism. Its just not there.

Be blessed.

While I agree with you that the Olivet Discourse primarily addressed events pertaining to 70 AD, I think placing all of our conceptual commitments into the basket of any one particular eschatological framework is a hermeneutical (and rational) mistake.

It would be more appropriate to take prophecy and eschatology in the book of Revelation more generically since any one position is underdetermined by the fact that none of us has a fully justified epistemic framework nor the accompanying evidences by which to make our conclusions iron clad.

What do I mean? I mean that while each one of us will think as we do about eschatology, we need to acknowledge the different methods we resort to for evaluating various sets of textual and historical evidences, especially those ranged in hyperbolic and/or symbolic prophetic language.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I think placing all of our conceptual commitments into the basket of any one particular eschatological framework is a hermeneutical (and rational) mistake.

It would be more appropriate to take prophecy and eschatology more generically since any one position is underdetermined by the fact that none of us has a fully justified epistemic framework nor the accompanying evidences by which to make our conclusions iron clad.

What do I mean? I mean that while each one of us will think as we do about eschatology, we need to acknowledge the different methods we resort to for evaluating various sets of textual and historical evidences, especially those ranged in hyperbolic and/or symbolic prophetic language.

I get it however, newspaper eschatology is such a waste of precious time not to mention, a cottage industry. I was once there and now I know better to remove such a distraction in my Christian walk. It consumed me for years . I am free if it now and wish to spread the Goods News in hopes of sharing what I have come to know as truth.

Thanks for sharing!
Be blessed.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

so, i bring up this topic today, because i have seen many videos say that all but ONE specific sign has yet taken place. and that is the seven year Covenant in Israel, which will allow them to rebuild the very temple that Jesus went to in Jerusalem. do you agree with the Youtube theories, or think we are a ways away yet? i would love some thoughts on this, because i do wonder myself if they are correct, or if they're all doomsaying like usual.

I wouldn't put too much stock in any one single position on biblical Eschatology, particularly that of the book of Revelation. There's a lot we don't know and a number of folks are way too assured about the outcomes they think are to be 'fulfilled.' However, I can understand the impulse to do so because, like everyone else, I have my own favored interpretations. I could be wrong.

secondly, i want to know what you all think about another part of the subject. Jesus told the people of Judea, to flee into the mountains when the Antichrist makes themself known. should we also flee, like Lot and his family from Sodom? or do we stay put? i have heard both sides of that argument and idk, if Jesus told people to flee to the Mountains, maybe all Christians should do so, not just the people of Judea. and i'm thinking, we should flee, because God is gonna be out to punish the unrepentant and not want us to be in his way, we would be showing obedience by doing so.

If larger judgments happen that are more than only localized to any one specific region, then fleeing will be a difficult thing to do for anyone.

It's one thing to flee a city if it's known before hand that the city will be invaded; it's another thing altogether if a world wide cataclysm were to take place.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I get it however, newspaper eschatology is such a waste of precious time. I was once there and now I know better to remove such a distraction in my Christian walk. It consumed me for years . I am free if it now and wish to spread the Goods News in hopes of sharing what I have come to know as truth.

I think newspaper eschatology is a general waste of time as well. However, that doesn't mean that a wider, more historical sensibility for interpreting and evaluating the meanings of what we read in the book of Revelation isn't in order. The problem with Dispensationalism isn't that it has an interpretive intuition for 'seeing signs' in the world around us. Jesus said to look for such. But for Dispensationalists, the interpretive game is often made into something that is claimed to be operatively systematic and clear when it isn't, and applicable mainly to a time in the far flung future from the time of John the Revelator. And I think we both can agree that is a mistake on their part.

Thanks for sharing!
Be blessed.

And thank you for sharing as well, Maria!

 

[timothyu]

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God agave him bto show to his servants1 the things that must soon take place. cHe made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 dwho bore witness to the word of God and to ethe testimony of Jesus Christ, even fto all that he saw. 3 gBlessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, hfor the time is near.

 

[Shane R]

The best thing to do if one wants to understand Revelation is to acquaint themself with the genre of Apocalyptic Literature. Once one is able to recognize the common themes and symbols of the genre, Revelation does not seem so fantastical. Closely related to the genre of Apocalypse is the 'Two Ways' literature which proposes a basic dualism in the world that exists so that there is no true neutrality: every living thing is either on the side of good or evil.

 

[timothyu]

every living thing is either on the side of good or evil.

And yet before the first Fall we were on the side of neither.

 

[ViaCrucis]

so, i bring up this topic today, because i have seen many videos say that all but ONE specific sign has yet taken place. and that is the seven year Covenant in Israel, which will allow them to rebuild the very temple that Jesus went to in Jerusalem. do you agree with the Youtube theories, or think we are a ways away yet? i would love some thoughts on this, because i do wonder myself if they are correct, or if they're all doomsaying like usual.

secondly, i want to know what you all think about another part of the subject. Jesus told the people of Judea, to flee into the mountains when the Antichrist makes themself known. should we also flee, like Lot and his family from Sodom? or do we stay put? i have heard both sides of that argument and idk, if Jesus told people to flee to the Mountains, maybe all Christians should do so, not just the people of Judea. and i'm thinking, we should flee, because God is gonna be out to punish the unrepentant and not want us to be in his way, we would be showing obedience by doing so.

Jesus wasn't talking about "the Antichrist" when He said that. He was talking about the (at the time, still future) attack on Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple--that happened in the year 70 AD during the First Jewish-Roman War.