Evolution vs. Creationism

[Pilgrim 33]

I am honestly beginning to doubt your reasons to be here.

I am here for only one reason, to advocate and advance The Truth and understanding of God's Scriptures and how this relates to man's salvation.

Beyond that there is nothing of value worth discussing.

 

[Jet Black]

I see, so the only reason you are actually here is to troll the boards a bit, huh? I wasted time once again, Go to the creationist board and get off there. If you don't come here to debate, then don't bother.

you replied? I just stuck him straight on my ignore list when I read that.

 

[Mistermystery]

MM's Funfact: I currently have (besides Jet_black) no one on my ignore list.

 

[Jet Black]

Jet_black

who?

 

[Mistermystery]

lalalal, can't heaaaaaar the limmmmmmeeeeeeyyyyyyy

 

[just another skeptic]

I did a quick search for the stuff that I mentioned above and this site talks about both.
(sorry no links allowed to post for me. The one icebreaker presented )

Puh, I´ve never seen so much nonsense and rubbish on a single page. Full of contradictions, lies and willful misunderstandings. And also strawmans, wrong citations and so on.
I hope you don´t believe anything they wrote on this page, do you?

 

[Deamiter]

closed for review

 

[Deamiter]

Please play by the rules.

 

[just another skeptic]

Now i wanted to answer to pilgrim´s last two posts and they were deleted. :-(

 

[Novaknight1]

Actually, quite a bit of evidence defies Evolution. For instance, if the universe is random, how come there are LAWS such as gravity, thermodynamics, etc?

 

[Ondoher]

Actually, quite a bit of evidence defies Evolution. For instance, if the universe is random, how come there are LAWS such as gravity, thermodynamics, etc?

Um, what does physics have to do with evolution, which is a biological science?

 

[Arikay]

Simple, because evolution does NOT say the universe is random.
IT also should note that a "law" is only true within its own realm, the law of gravity and the laws of thermodynamics break down when you go into the quantum realm.

Actually, quite a bit of evidence defies Evolution. For instance, if the universe is random, how come there are LAWS such as gravity, thermodynamics, etc?

 

[Mistermystery]

Actually, quite a bit of evidence defies Evolution. For instance, if the universe is random, how come there are LAWS such as gravity, thermodynamics, etc?

Dear Nova, What is the theory of evolution? Let me make it easy for you, in multiple choice even! Is it an explaination for

a) The beginning of the universe
b) The beginning of the earth
c) The beginning for life on Earth
d) The biodiversity of Earth
e) All the laws in the universe







I give you a hint: it's D. That's it. The theory of gravity does not explain thermodynamics. The theory of germs does not explain bioversity. The theory of the big bang does not explain the biodiversity of Earth. The theory of evolution does not explain laws like the laws of physics, where they come from or why they are here. Because that is not it's purpose.

Do you understand this?

And secondly: Evolution is not random. Even if it did, it would still not explain the laws of everything, because that is not it's purpose.

 

[NeoTrio]

Actually, quite a bit of evidence defies Evolution. For instance, if the universe is random, how come there are LAWS such as gravity, thermodynamics, etc?

Creationist ignorance of mainstream science number... damn, I lost count.

Evolution is not random, it is systematic. Evolution is not by chance, it is inevitable.

 

[Pilgrim 33]

My own understanding of the scriptures in the evolution/creation issue are far more moderate than the conservative creationist view so while i don't buy the traditionally accepted view of creation neither do i buy the evolutionist's view entirely either though i do feel i come closer in my own understanding to meeting the issue halfway.

I go with The Gap theory between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 and place the giant dinosaur bones in that time frame

and submit the dinosaur bones were the result of early attempts at creating by Satan and other fallen angels
many of which spawned other giant creatures known as the Nephilim spoken of many times throughout the Bible

and that those angels that spawned them were cast into the Bottomless Pit and

Satan will one day be given the Key to release them

and they will once again spawn the Nephilim

who will take over the world to the point that mankind will assemble its forces worldwide to battle them

and it will take the intervention of The Lord Jesus and His angelic army to defeat the Nephilim and their demonic horde, the Devil's army.

All those giant rock statues, stones, pyramids, stonehenge, several apparently for celestial observation and very reminiscent of the purpose behind the tower of babel--all those big rocks in england, polynesia, south america, eqypt and elsewhere--it is curious how they all appeared all over the earth within about the same timeframe, basically, in an era of bear skins and stone knives.

Joel 2:1-10, "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness. They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:"

These spoken of above are, imo, the same Nephilim spoken of in Gen 6:4, throughout scripture and referred to in Rev as the "locust army" and could also include their possibly new to be cousins, the clones, both of which would be the perfect example of evolutionary development.

itmt, if anyone is interested in tackling this they are herewith invited.

 

[Arikay]

Again, should I point out that many standing stones did Not appear during the age of stone knives and bear skins but during the bronze age?

Where in the bible does it say satan is a fallen angel?

 

[TheUndeadFish]

So Satan created all the fossils... and inspired people to build all those ancient structures... I suppose Satan also messed with those tricky radioactive isotopes. And he probably fakes all those tree rings, icecores, and lake varves too. Oh and maybe he also messed with all the light coming from stars to make them look distant and old. Perhaps everything that doesn't agree with the YEC interpretation of the Bible was faked by Satan.

Well, you can believe that if you wish. But it certainly isn't scientific. And if believing all that is what it takes to reconcile YEC with all that old-earth evidence, then YEC certainly doesn't have any basis in science.

 

[Mistermystery]

Oh that trickster satan :Rolleyes:

 

[Pilgrim 33]

Please, let us avoid profane and vain babblings. Thank you.

So Satan created all the fossils...

But it certainly isn't scientific. And if believing all that is what it takes to reconcile YEC with all that old-earth evidence, then YEC certainly doesn't have any basis in science.

well, first, science has no basis in Christianity...

"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith."-1 Timothy 6:20-21

and any that try to mix the two pollute The Gospel to their own error.

Anything God does is perfect and when he created the heavens and the earth it, too, was perfect. There was no 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. That came

when Satan rebelled and forever damaged the universe and everything in it.

ite, this theory is even more scientific than the humanistic evolution theory that man of his own accord can be made perfect and one day live forever, which is The Original Lie that has always been the heartfelt desire of mankind ...

Genesis 3:4-5, "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods,"

Evolution has no science, and as a theory it has never never made any profound or irrefutable proof of being exact and true;

Evolution has always been the mirror image of what God has done and what God has promised.

At best humanism and it's evolution and related beliefs are a philosophy, and a poor one at that...

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."-Colossians 2:8

Essentially, humanism and its constituents parts are, first and primarily, the only choice and reason for those seeking to oppose and not accept The God of the Bible and His Son, Jesus Christ.

The closest, imo, humanism/evolution comes to being correct is, first, during the period of The Gap the dinosaurs were created and, second, with the pollution of the human race with the Nephilim. I believe this a strong possibility to reoccur in the end times, and may well also be accompanied by its modern day technological counterpart, the manufacture of clones.

 

[Arikay]

Evolution isn't science because its a theory.
You do know theories are part of science, right?

Again, where does the bible say satan is a fallen angel?