Evolution vs. Creationism

[Ondoher]

Evolution isn't science because its a theory.

As a theory, and a poor at best, it has far less credibility than the Bible offers.

Scientists don't agree with you that evolution is a poor theory. Evolution is the foundation of modern biology, and applied sciences such as medicine and agriculture.

I suspect that you are unfamilar with the arguments and evidence supporting evolution.

You do know theories are part of science, right?

where in the rules is patronizing and ridicule permissable? Please cease.

It seemed like a legitimate question to me. You claimed evolution is not science because it is a theory. That's an odd comment considering that science is a method that produces theories. Theories are the endpoints of science.

Evolution is only one of several theories invented to explain the phenomena of created things. It is admitted by all scientists that no one of these theories covers all the ground ; and the greatest claim made for Evolution, or Darwinism, is that "it covers more ground than any of the others."
The Word of God claims to cover all the ground : and the only way in which this claim is met, is by a denial of the inspiration of the Scriptures, in order to weaken it. This is the special work undertaken by so-called "Higher Criticism", which bases its conclusions on human assumptions and reasoning, instead of on the documentary evidence of manuscripts, as Textual Criticism does.

Evolution is the only scientific theory to explain the diversity of life. It is supported by a wealth of data and it makes accurate predictions that never fail to confirm.

Do you see evolution as a religion? Or, just as an attempt to offer up an alternative to unanswered questions outside the biblical viewpoint?

Evolution is a scientific explanation for the diversity of life. It says nothing about anything supernatural.

 

[Pilgrim 33]

*For Truth as opposed to Fact, please see your local minister/philosopher.

There are some on this earth who maintain that position belongs to the devil, which confounds both truth and fact.

 

[william jay schroeder]

Does your math take into account a global Ice Age which would have severely disrupted the flows of almost all rivers in the Temperate regions of the Northern Hemishpere? How about the Spreading of Continental plates, the same mud cannot fill an expanding vessel? What do you think?

the ice age is unlikely i think how would you get enough water to cover the globe. how would water turn to ice in the eguater were the tempeture is always way above freezing. Can you measure the rate of which the deserts in africa are growing and show when it started. And show how this shows a billion year old earth. I would think a gradual rise in the platonic plates would show a much different environment to that which is now there.

 

[Pilgrim 33]

Evolution is a scientific explanation for the diversity of life. It says nothing about anything supernatural.

It is a philosophy seeking scientific explanation and in so doing seeks to deny the supernatural.

 

[Ondoher]

It is a philosophy seeking scientific explanation and in so doing seeks to deny the supernatural.

No it isn't. It is a scientific theory, developed and supported with the scientific method that makes no claims regarding the supernatual.

 

[Pilgrim 33]

No it isn't. It is a scientific theory, developed and supported with the scientific method that makes no claims regarding the supernatual.

It is first and foremost a religious belief to its adherents who wish it to have scientific basis and prooftext to support their belief.

 

[Clem is Me]

It is first and foremost a religious belief to its adherents who wish it to have scientific basis and prooftext to support their belief.

It has to be that way or his own religeous beliefs become suspect.

 

[Pilgrim 33]

1 Timothy 6:20, "...avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:"

 

[Mistermystery]

It is first and foremost a religious belief to its adherents who wish it to have scientific basis and prooftext to support their belief.

Proof it. I dare yah.

 

[Ondoher]

It is first and foremost a religious belief to its adherents who wish it to have scientific basis and prooftext to support their belief.

No, it isn't. Yes, it is.

Try backing up your statements. Which step of the scientific method has been skipped when developing evolution? Is it not based on observations, like the fossil record and DNA? Does it fail to present an hypothesis to test? Does it fail to produce testable predictions? Are these predictions being falsified?

Be specific.

 

[Ron21647]

the ice age is unlikely i think how would you get enough water to cover the globe. how would water turn to ice in the eguater were the tempeture is always way above freezing. Can you measure the rate of which the deserts in africa are growing and show when it started. And show how this shows a billion year old earth. I would think a gradual rise in the platonic plates would show a much different environment to that which is now there.

The Ice Age did not cover the entire world, in the North American area, it covered all of Canada and a little less than half the U.S. the most recent Ice Age, 16 to 20 thousand years ago, dug the Great Lakes, creating Niagara Falls in the process, which was on the shore of Lake Ontario at the time. It has been moving upstream since then, and will eventually merge with Lake Erie.

Here is a link to a video that show the advance and retreat of the glacier in the most recent Ice Age.

http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/ice_ages/laurentide_deglaciation.html


Ron

 

[william jay schroeder]

The Ice Age did not cover the entire world, in the North American area, it covered all of Canada and a little less than half the U.S. the most recent Ice Age, 16 to 20 thousand years ago, dug the Great Lakes, creating Niagara Falls in the process, which was on the shore of Lake Ontario at the time. It has been moving upstream since then, and will eventually merge with Lake Erie.

Here is a link to a video that show the advance and retreat of the glacier in the most recent Ice Age.

http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/ice_ages/laurentide_deglaciation.html


Ron

How do they prove this and the person said global which i asume means the whole world.

 

[Evolver]

I am a Creationist, ready to debate. So that I know which side you are on, type C for a creationist and E for evolution as your first reply.

E

 

[Arikay]

William: Do you think you really should be asking others to prove their points?

Pilgrim: Hmm, why are you unwilling to support your claims? Is it because you Know the bible doesn't agree with you?

Your rabbit trail your lead.

 

[Pilgrim 33]

It is first and foremost a religious belief to its adherents who wish it to have scientific basis and prooftext to support their belief.

Proof it. I dare yah.

ok, but only 'cause in insisting you agree not to take it personal...

• first, the very thought of your humanist/evolutionsist religious/belief being wrong frightens you to the point you find yourself unable to even consider alternative scenarios;
• second, that your belief could be wrong frightens you even more for your greatest fear that the Bible could be correct afterall, rips at your very pride and that;
• third, is when humanism has become for you a religious belief for at that point you have placed yourself as god in your life;
• fourth, thus relegating God to subservient status, your most deathly fear of being wrong and;
• fifth, that your pride maintains a facade of assurance over spurning humility, a major requirement necessary in coming to and being accepted by God.

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;"-1 Timothy 4:1-2

 

[Pilgrim 33]

William: Do you think you really should be asking others to prove their points?

Pilgrim: Hmm, why are you unwilling to support your claims? Is it because you Know the bible doesn't agree with you?

In light of the above, it would be hypocritical of you not to ask the same question of yourself.

 

[AirPo]

ok, but only 'cause in insisting you agree not to take it personal...

• first, the very thought of your humanist/evolutionsist religious/belief being wrong frightens you to the point you find yourself unable to even consider alternative scenarios;
• second, that your belief could be wrong frightens you even more for your greatest fear that the Bible could be correct afterall, rips at your very pride and that;
• third, is when humanism has become for you a religious belief for at that point you have placed yourself as god in your life;
• fourth, thus relegating God to subservient status, your most deathly fear of being wrong and;
• fifth, that your pride maintains a facade of assurance over spurning humility, a major requirement necessary in coming to and being accepted by God.

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;"-1 Timothy 4:1-2

first - wrong
second - wrong
third - wrong
fourth - wrong
fifth - wrong

 

[Ondoher]

ok, but only 'cause in insisting you agree not to take it personal...

• first, the very thought of your humanist/evolutionsist religious/belief being wrong frightens you to the point you find yourself unable to even consider alternative scenarios;
• second, that your belief could be wrong frightens you even more for your greatest fear that the Bible could be correct afterall, rips at your very pride and that;
• third, is when humanism has become for you a religious belief for at that point you have placed yourself as god in your life;
• fourth, thus relegating God to subservient status, your most deathly fear of being wrong and;
• fifth, that your pride maintains a facade of assurance over spurning humility, a major requirement necessary in coming to and being accepted by God.

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;"-1 Timothy 4:1-2

Although speculating on a person's motivations can be entertaining, it does not appear to be actual support for the claims that evolution is not a science. Perhaps you'd like to rethink your response and try again?

 

[Arikay]

And that means what exactly?

You mean your attempt to read peoples minds?

Ok, my answers to your attempt,
1) No it doesn't, I am not a humanist, nor to I hold to evolution as a religion. I accept it because that is what the evidence says, if the evidence said something different, that is what I would accept.
2) No, see #1.
3) No, see #1.
4) No, see #1.
5) No, see #1.

Now, would you like to show me where the bible says satan is an angel that fell from heaven? You seem to be dodging this question. If the bible really supported you, it should be easy to answer.

In light of the above, it would be hypocritical of you not to ask the same question of yourself.

 

[kingreaper]

In light of the above, it would be hypocritical of you not to ask the same question of yourself.

I think this is probably the second time I've thought someone with your symbol has a valid point

But since its not hypocritical for me, give the evidence

edit= I assumed you just meant the above quote, not the above post, my mistake, valid-creationist-point-count-O-mat set to 1