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Evolution Versus Devolution
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There is another form of temptation, even more fraught with danger. This is the disease of curiosity. It is this which drives us to try and discover the secrets of nature, those secrets which are beyond our understanding, which can avail us nothing and which man should not wish to learn.
-St. Augustine (354 C.E.- 430 C.E.)
Religion has impeded scientific investigation of the world for a long time. The Catholic persecution of Galileo, for example. The simple fact that religion encourages us to invoke a god to explain mysteries of the universe encourages ignorance of what is really happening.
-St. Augustine (354 C.E.- 430 C.E.)
Religion has impeded scientific investigation of the world for a long time. The Catholic persecution of Galileo, for example. The simple fact that religion encourages us to invoke a god to explain mysteries of the universe encourages ignorance of what is really happening.
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Didn't curiosity kill the cat? Does curiosity kill people too, or just cats?
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The bold is a sincere misunderstanding of two scientific concepts.
The second law of thermodynamics says in "closed systems" entropy is increasing.
The earth is not a closed system, it is actually being fed a constant amount of energy via massive fusion explosions on the sun (the sun is constantly increasing in entropy).
This means that the local amount of order is quite capable of increasing while the systemic order in the universe is definitely decreasing.
So, the amount of order and organization on earth is entirely capable of being increased. What you will find with life is that through photosynthesis anabolic reactions are taking place that feed almost all life on earth.
Evolution is the second concept misunderstood here.
Evolution doesn't say it makes things better, as it is impossible to assign value judgments to non thinking processes, it says they change over time with respect to the environmental pressures they are under.
Evolution is entirely capable of making more complex creatures however, without going against the second law of thermodynamics, because local increases in order do not go against the second law.
If local increases in order were not possible then pretty much everything you do in your day that increased any order would be impossible. Things as simple as walking up stairs.
Any system that is fed energy from an outside source is free to increase in order. If I had proper meal today, I should be quite capable of using that energy to climb stairs.
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As far as we know.
However, when talking about the evolution of life on Earth, it is irrelevant. The question should be, "Is the earth a closed system?" And the answer is no. We have a steady input of energy from the sun.
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No, thanks.
Would you like to learn about macrame?
I have a feeling that, when you say 'learn about something', you mean 'learn about evolution.'
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When I say "learn about something", I mean "learn about how the universe works."
However, if you want to remain ignorant of that, then it's your own choice, and it makes you look foolish when you try to argue against it.
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Is the total entropy of the universe increasing when we include the evolution of life on Earth? The answer is undoubtedly yes. The small amount of negative entropy occuring on Earth is dwarfed by the increase of entropy elsewhere in the universe, and even in our solar system.
In any closed system, you can have some reactions that have negative entropy as long as entropy increases in the system as a whole.
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Yes. It most definitely does. This why I refrain from religion.
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I'm just gonna ignore you until you have something good to bring to the discussion.
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I personally suspect Joeyarnold is not a real person, but rather a rather imperfect bot. If Joeyarnold is a real person, I think he has effectively proved the uselessness of the Turing test in differentiating cognitive machines from human intelligence.
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If you google me, you will find out that I am just a fictional character. You are so right. How did you know?
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Are you admitting that you are a disruptive force in this forumPersonally I believe you to be a troll but that is just my opinion!
... Don't forget! [They say] I'm one too! ... I've even been referred to as a 'Super Troll.'
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